Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 8

[Kimster]

Are you guys discussing a fundraiser? I'm behind on the latest here. If anyone is going to link to a donation thread or anything asking for money, it MUST be approved by Tricia and SoSueMe, unless it is KlaasKids or TES.

 

[LivingJuicy]

heavens, no. i never said everyone should agree with me. that would make me sound like a close-minded nut job bent on selling kool-aid to followers for my own personal gain.

what i clearly implied was everyone should look at the facts in this case as they've been presented.

as for ES, what i said was that defending her for even a second makes no sense whatsoever. we're very free to have our own opinions, absolutely.

mine personally, is that i have no sympathy for what ES has done to jennifer, jennifer's parents, and jennifer's children.

I tend to think the majority does agree with you.

 

[Kimster]

Please do not link to sites asking for money until management tells us its okay. Jilllian, if this is a fundraiser, please get it approved via Tricia and SoSueMe.

:tyou:

 

[momrids6]

I missed something. I thought LE, so far, have reported no signs of trauma??

LE reported no visible signs of trauma when found. In the position found, there was not a whole lot exposed to view- and was frozen to boot. Imo, LE does not own a tabloid.

 

[Caring4Many]

I dont know if im just a sucker or what....but to be up front - I had a one night stand with a married ex of mine. It was something I tore myself up over for years and years, finally came clean after just not being able to deal with the guilt anymore. I mention this because I'm sure circumstances are so different in ways I couldn't imagine, but in the ways I can....OMG if after I had done that something had happened to my ex's wife, (who was not my bff but a friend) or my still married to husband; I can only imagine the added guilt and extreme emotion I would have felt. I guess just because I know that I'm not an evil person, but someone who did a very horrible thing that hurt many people. I'm only saying that IF there is any doubt about any true involvement not GR ;but JRS friend E in play when it comes to JR's death, then I guess I can't help but feel for what she must be going thru, if she truly is in any way like me or most women I know. But then again seeing what humans can do to others without remorse I do know that is also very possible, that she just doesnt care, just have to for a second put myself in her shoes and imagine the horror of my life if this were the case.

I think being "new" to the crowd you aren't familiar with the idea that the locals have known for months that ES & GR were involved in more than a tryst or two. But hey, let's go with it. Lets say she had just the one time thing-planned or unplanned alcohol or not. Lets also assume the cousin never came forward to a friend saying JR knew of the relationship (as posted here on WS). I MAY feel bad for her knowing any ordinary person would feel guilt knowing what they did to anyone much less their BFF-who then goes missing-and sadly ends up dead & you can never apologize to even if you wanted to. However, in this case I find it difficult because as a BFF, wouldn't you expect this same person to be broken hearted while her friend is missing? Pleading for her return? Doing anything to raise awareness in her name? There was not one interview with this person-not one. When the DH entrusted a Missing Persons Organization to assist him & both he & the President went on bashing JR (the victim mind you) -did the BFF stand up for JR? Did she tell anyone of all the wonderful things her friend did that we only hear of in the obituary? While she was on FB instead of asking people to please look for her friend she spent more time defending the DH (where her infidelities lie.) She was seen at the Shining Hope event looking elated & sharing "glances" with the DH. When interviews were don't after she was found-not one was her BFF speaking out for Justice, speaking about her friend etc. I really don't think it's necessary to continue, I think you get my point, while I MAY be able to feel bad if this person had made a mistake, or 6 mths worth, I can't get past her inability to act like a friend to JR in any of the days since 12/11/12 when she was needed more than ever. It's sad that strangers have done more & it just infuriates me & that's why I can't feel bad for her.

 

[PennyFlower]

LE reported no visible signs of trauma when found. In the position found, there was not a whole lot exposed to view- and was frozen to boot. Imo, LE does not own a tabloid.

BBM: Where does this info come from?

And I don't understand the tabloid comment?

 

[SouthAussie]

I missed something. I thought LE, so far, have reported no signs of trauma??

Husband says she was hurt …... hurt = pain/trauma

"The not knowing was brutal and it’s tough. But, now that my wife was hurt, I want vengeance. Screw justice. I want vengeance,” said Ramsaran’s husband Ganesh Remy Ramsaran.

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/sto...d:+WSYRLocalNews+(News+Channel+9:+Local+News)

 

[Tricia]

Ana designed a car magnet for Jennifer. No proceeds. People can just buy the magnet and put it on their cars.

Anyone can do whatever they want. If they want to buy these magnets that's not my business.

However if we allow a link for this magnet then we have to allow all the links to everything else that people may want to purchase concerning a case.

Perhaps Janeumayer you can PM the link to those who may want to purchase the magnet. Would you mind doing that?

Sorry to be so tight about these things but trust me, this is one thing we cannot open up. We have tried before and it always causes problems.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[Jilllian]

You're all in BIG TROUBLE! :nono:

:giggle:

She said she'll be here in a few minutes to see if it's allowed.

rut roh!

:escape:

 

[Janeumayer]

Anyone can do whatever they want. If they want to buy these magnets that's not my business.

However if we allow a link for this magnet then we have to allow all the links to everything else that people may want to purchase concerning a case.

Perhaps Janeumayer you can PM the link to those who may want to purchase the magnet. Would you mind doing that?

Sorry to be so tight about these things but trust me, this is one thing we cannot open up. We have tried before and it always causes problems.

Thank you,
Tricia

Thank you so much Tricia! Sorry for the trouble. Will do!

 

[Caring4Many]

It was more a matter of Interested101's post being restated in a distorted fashion - as if she were somehow defending ES at the expense of Jennifer and her family - and disagreed with in an angry, not so logical, manner. JMO, YMMV.

I think we all agree that cheating with your friend's spouse is extremely crappy, though not criminal. Murder, on the other hand, is really bad and really criminal. Let's disapprove the adulterers and the bad friends, as the facts dictate. And let's see the murderer spend a lifetime in Attica. Let's also agree that Interested101 isn't a defender of murder, adultery or being a bad friend.

Actually in NYS that's not accurate...
http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN0255.17_255.17.html

§ 255.17 Adultery.
A person is guilty of adultery when he engages in sexual intercourse
with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other
person has a living spouse.
Adultery is a class B misdemeanor.

 

[Jilllian]

It was more a matter of Interested101's post being restated in a distorted fashion - as if she were somehow defending ES at the expense of Jennifer and her family - and disagreed with in an angry, not so logical, manner. JMO, YMMV.

I think we all agree that cheating with your friend's spouse is extremely crappy, though not criminal. Murder, on the other hand, is really bad and really criminal. Let's disapprove the adulterers and the bad friends, as the facts dictate. And let's see the murderer spend a lifetime in Attica. Let's also agree that Interested101 isn't a defender of murder, adultery or being a bad friend.

Let's still be free to form our own educated thoughts and opinions independently, without being told what to agree on and/or what not to agree on.

JMO

 

[Peekerfoo]

Mookie (sorry haven't got the hang of double quoting)
To me (and I don't pretend to speak for anyone else here) Interested 101's comment seemed to try and garner a little sympathy for ES who supposedly had an affair/ tryst with a dead woman's husband. I agree with you that I 101 is surely not a defender of murder, adultery, or being a bad friend (despite having been a bad friend once and feels remorse for that), but, as was said earlier, this is about the young woman who was killed--not how ES feels. I totally agree with you that the murderer should spend a life time in prison. I may have misread I101's intentions, but IMO it sounded like the real victim got lost there for a second. People are angry that this tragedy happened regardless of who's involved, so I don't think there's going to be much sympathy for ES at this point (or ever). Jennifer can't dust off the affair and move on with a kind and faithful husband. She wasn't given the chance. ES's troubles just seem so trivial to me compared to that.

 

[PennyFlower]

It was more a matter of Interested101's post being restated in a distorted fashion - as if she were somehow defending ES at the expense of Jennifer and her family - and disagreed with in an angry, not so logical, manner. JMO, YMMV.

I think we all agree that cheating with your friend's spouse is extremely crappy, though not criminal. Murder, on the other hand, is really bad and really criminal. Let's disapprove the adulterers and the bad friends, as the facts dictate. And let's see the murderer spend a lifetime in Attica. Let's also agree that Interested101 isn't a defender of murder, adultery or being a bad friend.

I understand what you're saying. Cheating (even if it is a misdemeanor), can't be be compared with murder. I agree.

 

[momrids6]

The evidence that comes out at trial will show just who the decent individuals are, imo.

 

[Caring4Many]

I understand what you're saying. Cheating (even if it is a misdemeanor), can't be be compared with murder. I agree.

I don't think anyone is comparing those crimes here-unless I missed it? <modsnip>

JUSTICE FOR JENNIFER! Lets all not forget why we are all on this forum!

 

[Amanda79]

They say no news is good news, right? Hopefully soon there will be justice for Jennifer. The bumper sticker (1) looks great, btw!

 

[voominvava]

I can somewhat understand feeling the need to defend someone that is getting attacked .. I'm the one who feels bad for the losing goalie EVERY time. I think we should just keep in mind that with the information we DO know, GR and ES did not show her very much respect, and she deserved it. On this site, we want to find out what happened to the victim and bring them the justice they deserve. And I'd imagine most here feel that those who loved JR and knew her the best should want that, as well. It's hard to feel for the people who aren't showing that.

 

[SouthAussie]

I can somewhat understand feeling the need to defend someone that is getting attacked .. I'm the one who feels bad for the losing goalie EVERY time. I think we should just keep in mind that with the information we DO know, GR and ES did not show her very much respect, and she deserved it. On this site, we want to find out what happened to the victim and bring them the justice they deserve. And I'd imagine most here feel that those who loved JR and knew her the best should want that, as well. It's hard to feel for the people who aren't showing that.

Your avatar looks great voominvava!

Great job ana and Janeumayer :seeya:

 

[voominvava]

RSBM
Jennifer can't dust off the affair and move on with a kind and faithful husband. She wasn't given the chance. ES's troubles just seem so trivial to me compared to that.

GAWD, that eats away at ME, and I'm in another country.... there has to be some guilt somewhere..... :seeya: