NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 *media maps & timelines*

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New information from Friday media:

1) Sheriff received the full autopsy results earlier this week http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Murdered-wifes-husband-arrested-207889801.html
2) Evidence from autopsy prompted deputies to bring Ganesh Ramsaran in Friday morning for further questioning (same link as above)
3) GR is arrested at 11 AM on Friday, May 18, & charged with 2nd degree murder. :jail: http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-05-17/17341/Ramsaran-arrested/
4) Family friend and spokesperson, David Drew, said LE notified Jennifer’s father around noon. http://www.wbng.com/news/video/Murdered-wifes-husband-arrested-207889801.html
5) Ganesh Ramsaran was arraigned Friday afternoon in front of Chenango County Court Judge Frank Revoir Jr. (same link as #1 above)
6) D.A. McBride asked judge not to grant bail http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/05/husband_charged_in_murder_of_c.html
7) Cash bail of $150,000 and a real estate bail of $300,000 was set by Judge Revoir http://thedailystar.com/breakingnews/x730880962/Ganesh-Remy-Ramsaran-arrested
8) GR has retained a lawyer and pled not-guilty (link 1 above)
9) GR is scheduled to re-appear in the Town of New Berlin Court on Thursday, May 23 (link 1 above)
10) “Police say they have the truth: That Remy Ramsaran killed his wife” http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Remy-Ramsaran-Mourner-to-Murderer-207965801.html
11) District Attorney McBride stated that an examination by authorities on GR’s home computer revealed his alibi (at home working on computer) to be false http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...der-pleads-not-guilty-hours-after-his-arrest/
12) According to McBride, GR was involved in an on-going affair (link for 11 above)
13) Jennifer had scheduled an appointment with a divorce attorney (link for 12)
14) “The DA's office says Jennifer Ramsaran was murdered the same day she was reported missing.” http://www.9wsyr.com/content/news/b...arged-with-murder/MHSfBxIGoUmmDtJpehBedw.cspx
15) GR is being held at the Chenango County Correctional Facility (link for 14 above):behindbar
16) “Remy Ramsaran had always been suspect No. 1, according to authorities.” http://www.wbng.com/news/video/Remy-Ramsaran-Mourner-to-Murderer-207965801.html
 
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1169353402/Ramsaran-faces-murder-charge
Ramsaran faces murder charge
Acquaintances of Jennifer Ramsaran’s family said the three children of Ganesh and Jennifer Ramsaran are staying with the victim’s parents, Carol and Thomas Renz, and her sister, Joann Buff.
McBride said he plans to present the case to a Chenango County grand jury next week. When asked if there are any other suspects, he said: “He’s the only one being charged.”

In recent months, he said, Ganesh Ramsaran has been “constantly” inviting his female running partner into the home while the children were present.
“He wouldn’t even let the children go to church on Sunday with their grandparents,” said Wilcox, a New Berlin resident. “He would have the children stand on one side of the driveway while the grandparents stood on the other. That’s the only way he would let them talk to each other.”
At one point, said Wilcox, Ganesh Ramsaran deeply upset his 13-year-old daughter “by running down her mother right in front of her.”
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP5cb504514f06436fa2a30886c4d854d7.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Central NY man accused of killing 36-year-old wife
A central New York man has been accused of killing his wife, whose body was found months after she disappeared in December.
His lawyer, James Chamberlain, says the 38-year-old IBM project manager and father of three has his family's support.


http://centralny.ynn.com/content/to...rs-not-surprised-by-ramsaran-arrest/?ap=1&MP4
Neighbors not surprised by Ramsaran arrest
Just months after tearfully discussing the discovery of his wife's body, Ganesh Remy Ramsaran is accused of playing a part in her death.
 
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x326083667/Ramsaran-remains-in-jail
Ramsaran, who was arrested at his home, was arraigned before Chenango County Court Judge Frank Revoir Jr., who sent the defendant to jail on $150,000 cash bail, deputies said. Ramsaran is scheduled to appear in the New Berlin Town Court on Thursday.

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/sto...y-Ramsaran-arrest/2e0hc6zKkECquFgYcW2hrg.cspx
Missing persons group shocked by Ramsaran arrest
The arrest of a Chenango County man for the murder of his wife comes as a shock to a non-profit that was called on to help find her.
 
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...d-after-posting-bail-felony-hearing-Thursday/
Ramsaran released after posting bail, felony hearing Thursday
Charged in the murder of his wife, Jennifer L. Ramsaran, Ganesh Remy Ramsaran, 38, of New Berlin, posted bail this afternoon and has since been released, according to the Chenango County Sheriff’s Office.

http://centralny.ynn.com/content/all_news/665732/ramsaran-out-on-bail/
Ramsaran out on bail
The Chenango County man accused of killing his wife has posted bail.

http://thedailystar.com/x240781108/Ramsaran-freed-on-300-000-bail
Ramsaran freed on $300,000 bail
Accused killer Ganesh "Remy" Ramsaran was freed from Chenango County Jail this afternoon after he and relatives posted $300,000 worth of real estate to meet bail conditions set by County Judge Frank Revoir Jr.
 
I am still flabbergasted that bail was available for a murder case at all, much less such a low one.
 
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-indicted-by-grand-jury-for-murder-208705951.html
Ramsaran indicted by grand jury for murder
Ganesh "Remy" Ramsaran was indicted Thursday afternoon by a Chenango County grand jury for murder in the second degree. He will be arraigned next week, according to Chenango County District Attorney Joseph McBride.

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x...indicts-Ganesh-Ramsaran-for-2nd-degree-murder
Grand jury indicts Ganesh Ramsaran for 2nd degree murder
A Chenango County grand jury today handed up an indictment charging Ganesh "Remy" Ramsaran with second-degree murder in connection with the Dec. 11 killing of his 36-year-old wife, Jennifer, in the couple's home at 473 Sheff Road in New Berlin.
 
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-pleads-not-guilty-to-grand-jurys-charges-209165761.html
Ramsaran pleads not guilty to grand jury's charges
Ganesh 'Remy' Ramsaran pleads not guilty to second degree murder Tuesday during his arraignment for grand jury charges.
The Chenango County Judge set bail at $500,000 or $1 million bond.

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/sto...ife-s-murder-held/651STbZzhEm6K5-PKuVL7w.cspx
Ramsaran pleads not guilty in wife’s murder; held on $500,000 bail
The Chenango County man charged with his wife’s murder months after she disappeared pleaded not guilty at his arraignment Tuesday morning.
Ganesh Remy Ramsaran was charged with second degree murder on May 17.
Ramsara’s bail was raised to $500,000 cash, $1 million bond at his arraignment, and he was taken into custody. Last week, he posted a posted $300,000 bond to get out of jail.
 
http://m.thedailystar.com/thedailys...il.htm?contentguid=PXUvBJbU&full=true#display
Ganesh Ramsaran sent back to prison
Accused killer Ganesh “Remy” Ramsaran entered the Chenango County Courthouse a free man Tuesday morning. When he walked out, he was wearing a grimace and handcuffs — and headed to jail.
Indicted on a charge of second-degree murder in connection with the Dec. 11 killing of his wife, Jennifer, Ramsaran, 38, acquired a second attorney over the Memorial Day weekend — veteran criminal defense lawyer F. Stanton Ackerman of Albany. He joined Norwich lawyer James Chamberlain as the defense team.
After District Attorney Joseph McBride argued that Ramsaran has “every reason” to jump bail, County Judge Frank Revoir Jr. decided to increase previous bail levels to $500,000 cash or $1 million in property.
 
May 3 – Evening Sun “Many questions, few answers forthcoming in Ramsaran case”
(didn’t get included with other pre-arrest stories in the first collection)
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...ons-few-answers-forthcoming-in-Ramsaran-case/

May 17 – Day of Arrest
12 WBNG Action News (includes video of newscast): “Murdered Wife’s Husband Arrested”
Sheriff received the full autopsy results earlier this week. Prompted further questioning and arrest. Arraigned Friday afternoon in front of Judge Frank Revoir Jr. GR has retained a lawyer,pled not-guilty.
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Murdered-wifes-husband-arrested-207889801.html

(also, same day from 12 WBNG Action News) “Mourner to Accused Murderer” (includes video & photo)
2nd degree murder. “Remy Ramsaran had always been suspect No. 1, according to authorities.”
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Remy-Ramsaran-Mourner-to-Murderer-207965801.html

Evening Sun (hometown paper for Chenango County). “Ramsaran arrested”
Editor says fuller article to come out on Monday.
GR is arrested at 11 AM on Friday, May 18, & charged with 2nd degree murder. District Attorney
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-05-17/17341/Ramsaran-arrested/

(same day from Evening Sun) “Ramsaran charged with 2nd degree murder” (w/photo)
An examination by authorities on GR’s home computer revealed his alibi) to be false. GR was involved in an on-going affair. Jennifer had scheduled an appointment with a divorce attorney.
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...der-pleads-not-guilty-hours-after-his-arrest/

Syracuse.Com: Central New York “Husband charged in murder of Chenango County woman”
D.A. McBride asked judge not to grant bail http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/05/husband_charged_in_murder_of_c.html

Daily Star Oneonta “Ganesh ‘Remy’ Ramsaran charged with 2nd degree murder.”
Cash bail of $150,000 and a real estate bail of $300,000 was set by Judge Revoir http://thedailystar.com/breakingnews/x730880962/Ganesh-Remy-Ramsaran-arrested

News Channel 9: ABC “Husband of Jennifer Ramsaran charged with murder in her death”
“The DA's office says Jennifer Ramsaran was murdered the same day she was reported missing.”
Updated 5/18 to include excerpts from previous interview, where he said search of his home was “scary”
http://www.9wsyr.com/content/news/b...arged-with-murder/MHSfBxIGoUmmDtJpehBedw.cspx

Chenango County Sheriff Facebook: announcement of arrest, and photo of GR in shackles
https://www.facebook.com/chenango.sheriff?hc_location=stream

WIBX 950 “Update: Jennifer Ramsaran’s Husband charged with murder following her death” (mugshot)
http://wibx950.com/chenango-county-sheriffs-office-makes-arrest-in-jennifer-ramsaran-case/

981 The Hawk “Jennifer Ramsaran’s husband charged with her murder” (mugshot)
http://981thehawk.com/jennifer-ramsarans-husband-charged-with-her-murder/

YNN Your News Now (Syracuse, Oswego, Auburn) “Ganesh Remy Ramsaran arrested on murder charges” (photo of shackle walk)
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/665011/ganesh-remy-ramsaran-arrested-on-murder-charges/

(later on Friday from YNN) “Neighbors not surprised by Ramsaran arrest”
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/665063/neighbors-not-surprised-by-ramsaran-arrest/


Saturday, May 18
Detention record with jail photo in orange http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205795&page=25

Daily Star – “Ramsaran Faces Murder Charge”
Body disfigured from exposure. Children with Jennifer’s family. GR not letting children attend church or visit their Renz grandparents except across driveway. GR deeply upset daughter by negative comments about Jennifer.
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1169353402/Ramsaran-faces-murder-charge

CNY Central.com : “Husband of Jennifer Ramsaran charged with murder in her death”
Mug shot. http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=899101

AP – Associated Press “Ganesh Ramsaran, of IBM, pleads “not-guily” of murdering his wife”
GR’s lawyer is James Chamberlain
http://newyork.newsday.com/news/reg...bm-pleads-not-guily-to-killing-wife-1.5288602
(this same article, with various titles, appeared in numerous other publications)

Monday, May 20
News Channel 9: ABC “Missing Persons Group Shocked by Ramsaran Arrest”
"There was never anything said or done that would give me pause to evaluate and reconsider, could he possibly have something to do with Jennifer's missing status,” said Cynthia Caron.
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/sto...y-Ramsaran-arrest/2e0hc6zKkECquFgYcW2hrg.cspx

Daily Star (Oneonta) “Ramsaran remains in jail” (no bail posted yet)
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x326083667/Ramsaran-remains-in-jail

Evening Sun (Chenango County Paper) “He has every reason to run”
D.A. McBride:Ramsaran has every reason to run – charged with murder of his wife, born outside the country, facing 25 years to life if convicted. Defense Attorney Chamberlain : GR has cooperated with police, owned a home, worked for IBM for 14 years,a respected member of community, willing to wear ankle bracelet, needed to be home to care for his family. McBride - reasons for arrest: Motive: GR’s ongoing affair (told friends he planned to spend the rest of his life with his GF), JR’s appointment with divorce attorney, GR stood to lose half of assets, GR’s alibi didn’t pan out. GR was last person to see JR alive. She slept naked, was found naked..
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-05-20/17345/He-has-every-reason-to-run/

Wednesday, May 22
Evening Sun (Chenango County). “Ramsaran released after posting bail, felony hearing Thursday”
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...d-after-posting-bail-felony-hearing-Thursday/

YNN (Syracuse/Oswego/Auburn) “Ramsaran out on bail”
Thursday court appearance postponed.
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/all_news/665732/ramsaran-out-on-bail/

Daily Star (Oneonta) “Ramsaran freed on $300,000 bail”
Real-estate bail. Grand jury to hear evidence Thursday. Defense attorney Chamberlain says he expects GR to stay involved in the lives of his 3 children.
http://thedailystar.com/x240781108/Ramsaran-freed-on-300-000-bail

12 WBNG: Action News “Remy Ramsaran released on bail”
http://www.wbng.com/home/Remy-Ramsaran-out-on-bail-208559291.html

Thursday, May 23 (day of Grand Jury)
Wall Street Journal (AP story) “NY Man charged with killing wife is free on bail”
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP1c6a39c916dd4b1db0f165fd0e734baf.html
(this AP story will be in other papers as well)

Oneonta Daily Star “Ramsaran released on $300K bail; children subjects of custody battle”
“Chamberlain said he expects there will be litigation in Family Court over custodial arrangements for the children.”
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x857483698/Ramsaran-released-on-300K-bail

(later same day – Daily Star) “Grand Jury Indicts Ganesh Ramsaran for 2nd Degree Murder”
“…the Dec. 11 killing of his 36-year-old wife, Jennifer, in the couple's home…”
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x...indicts-Ganesh-Ramsaran-for-2nd-degree-murder

WBNG 12 Action News “Ramsaran indicted by Grand Jury for Murder”
He will be arraigned next Tuesday. No conditions for his release.
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-indicted-by-grand-jury-for-murder-208705951.html

Channel 9 WXYR (ABC news) “Ramsaran, charged with wife’s murder, posts $300,000 bond to get out of jail”
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/sto...der-posts-300-000/SDfcUr6uLE-yuZX451XDpg.cspx

Evening Star – “Felony hearing in Ramsaran murder case postponed”
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...ny-hearing-in-Ramsaran-murder-case-postponed/

Saturday, May 25
Chenango County District Attorney Facebook “Ganesh Ramsaran was indicted by the Chenango County Grand Jury yesterday May 23, 2013 for one count of Murder in the Second Degree.”
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chen...s-Office/482719641784152?hc_location=timeline

Tuesday, May 28 (day of Arraignment for Grand Jury Indictment)
CNY “Ganesh Ramsaran to be arraigned today”
http://cnynews.com/ganesh-ramsaran-to-be-arraigned-today/

Twitter from Matt Porter WBNG News (photos & update directly from courtroom – bail reset)
https://twitter.com/MPReports

Facebook – Matt Porter WBNG News (photos & immediate update)
Ramsaran pleads not guilty to grand jury murder charges; arrested as judge extends bail to 1 million.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Matt-Porter-WBNG/142137115885331

WBNG Channel 12 Action News “Ramsaran pleads not guilty to grand jury's charges” (new photo)
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-pleads-not-guilty-to-grand-jurys-charges-209165761.html

WBNG Channel 12 Action News “Ramsaran pleads not guilty to charges he killed his wife (with photos)”
Video showing J4J supporters. A crowd of about 50 crowded into front door wearing “J4J” ribbons. GR entered through side door. Afterward. Residents shouted “justice for Jennifer!” as GR was led out.
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-pleads-not-guilty-to-grand-jurys-charges-209165761.html

News Channel 9 “Ramsaran pleads not guilty in wife’s murder; held on $500,000 bail”
Ramsara’s bail was raised to $500,000 cash, $1 million bond at his arraignment, and he was taken into custody…Around a dozen people were in the courtroom Tuesday morning to show support for the victim and her family.
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/sto...ife-s-murder-held/651STbZzhEm6K5-PKuVL7w.cspx

Evening Sun “Grand Jury Indicts 11”
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-05-28/17382/Grand-jury-indicts-eleven/

Evening Sun “Bail set at $500,000 cash following Ramsaran's second arraignment”
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...-cash-following-Ramsarans-second-arraignment/

News Channel 2 WKTV Utica “Ramsaran pleads not guilty in connection to wife's murder”
Next step – motions due in 45 days
http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Rams...-in-connection-to-wifes-murder-209170031.html

YNN “Ramsaran pleads not guilty to murder charge”
Outpouring of support for Jennifer and her family in the courthouse. Many wore the color blue and passed out “Justice for Jennifer” ribbons. The judge was concerned he might try to leave the country.
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/666552/ramsaran-pleads-not-guilty-to-murder-charge/

Fox 40 – WICZ “Ramsaran pleads not guilty to Grand Jury 2nd degree murder charge”
GR winces as friends shout “Justice for Jennifer” as he’s taken into custody. Inside the courtroom, a “sea of blue,” and trees outside courthouse had blue ribbons tied around them.
http://www.wicz.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp?a=28234

Wednesday, May 29

Daily Star – “Ganesh Ramsaran sent back to prison”
Prescription pill container owned by JR found in trash bin at Plank Rd Manor. A friend of both JR and GR said he called her about 1 AM after one of his interviews, asked, “How did I do?”
http://m.thedailystar.com/thedailys...il.htm?contentguid=PXUvBJbU&full=true#display

Evening Sun – “Ramsaran remanded on $500,000 cash bail; $1 million property bond”
Approximately 30 individuals donned blue attire and attended the arraignment on Tuesday in a display of support for family members of Jennifer’s
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...-on-500000-cash-bail-1-million-property-bond/
 
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1273598966/Attorney-Girlfriend-stands-by-Ramsaran
Attorney: Girlfriend stands by Ramsaran
A defense attorney for accused murderer Ganesh “Remy” Ramsaran said Friday that the woman who has been romantically involved with the defendant and is considered a material witness in the case is convinced he did not kill his wife, Jennifer.
“Based on my conversation with her, Eileen does not believe that Remy was involved,” F. Stanton Ackerman, an Albany-based attorney, told The Daily Star.
 
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Defe...isqualify-DA-from-murder-trial-219444401.html
Defense attorney motions to disqualify DA from murder trial
The defense attorney for Ganesh 'Remy' Ramsaran, 38, of New Berlin filed a motion to disqualify the Chenango County District Attorney from prosecuting the murder trial.
F. Stanton Ackerman claims the D.A. has a conflict of interest and for the appointment of a special prosecutor from outside of the Chenango County D.A.'s office.
 
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/news/all_news/695987/ramsaran-denied-motion-to-dismiss-da-s-office/
Ramsaran denied motion to dismiss DA's office
A motion to remove the Chenango County District Attorney's office from a murder trial has been denied.
Ganesh 'Remy' Ramsaran is accused of killing his wife, Jennifer, who disappeared on December 11th of last year. In July, Ramsaran filed a motion in Chenango County Court, asking that the DA's office be disqualified from prosecuting his case.


http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x335466589/Judge-wont-yank-DA-from-murder-trial
Judge won't yank DA from murder trial
A judge has rejected a defense lawyer’s request to disqualify the Chenango County District Attorney’s office from handling the murder trial of Ganesh “Remy” Ramsaran, reasoning it was “common knowledge” that a woman who hired an assistant prosecutor as her matrimonial attorney had an affair with the suspect.
In denying the request filed by defense lawyer F. Stanton Ackerman, Chenango County Judge Frank Revoir Jr. said the involvement of Assistant District Attorney Michael Ferrarese in briefly representing Eileen Sayles, the “acknowledged partner” of Ramsaran, has not unfairly disadvantaged the accused killer.
 
MEDIA LINKS. JUNE 8, 2013 - OCTOBER 25, 2013.

October 25th, 2013: 'Motions...denied... medical examiner ultimately was not able to identify the cause of death of Jennifer Ramsaran.' (Paywall)
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...otion-to-dismiss-cause-of-death-undetermined/

September 12, 2013: 'Ramsaran argued...the woman with whom he was having an affair sought legal representation...member of the Chenango County DA...'
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/news/all_news/695987/ramsaran-denied-motion-to-dismiss-da-s-office/

September 11, 2013: 'Judge won't yank DA from murder trial.'
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x335466589/Judge-wont-yank-DA-from-murder-trial

September 11, 2013: 'The motion alleged that there was a conflict of interest in the District Attorney’s Office.'
http://cnynews.com/judge-denies-motion-to-dismiss-d-a-from-ganesh-ramsaran-trial/

August 13th, 2013: 'Sayles was having an affair with Ramsaran...Eileen does not believe Remy was involved.'
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Defe...isqualify-DA-from-murder-trial-219444401.html

June 8th, 2013: 'Girlfriend stands by Ramsaran'
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1273598966/Attorney-Girlfriend-stands-by-Ramsaran
 
http://www.thedailystar.com/localnews/x10367014/Supporter-creates-pro-Ramsaran-petition

A new online petition urges that accused murderer Ganesh Ramsaran be released from Chenango County Jail and asserts he is the victim of a “racially motivated indictment.”

“There is no evidence against him and no reason why he should be in custody,” states the petition posted on a web site promoting social activism — www.change.org.

Ramsaran, 38, of New Berlin is charged with second-degree murder in the Dec. 11 death of his wife, Jennifer.



http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-12-11/18397/One-year-later-Jennifer-Ramsaran-remembered/

One year later, Jennifer Ramsaran remembered

Wednesday, December 11, 2013 marks the one year anniversary of Jennifer Ramsaran's, 36, disappearance. It was a cold Tuesday morning last Dec. 11, 2012, when Ramsaran was last seen at her 473 Sheff Rd. home in New Berlin.
 
http://www.thedailystar.com/breakingnews/x360414458/Ramsaran-pretrial-hearings-scheduled-for-June

Ramsaran pretrial hearings scheduled for June

Pretrial hearings in the case of accused killer Ganesh "Remy" Ramsaran of New Berlin will begin in June and jury selection for the trial is slated to begin in early September in Chenango County Court, officials said today.
Charged with second-degree murder in connection with the killing of his wife, Jennifer, in December 2012, Ramsaran, a former project manager for IBM, has replaced his initial defense counsel with Mary Ann Kricko of Hackensack, N.J.

Contacted today by The Daily Star, Kricko declined to discuss the defense strategy, but acknowledged that Ganesh Ramsaran, 39, continues to maintain his innocence.
 

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