NY - Karina Vetrano, 30, found murdered, Queens, 2 Aug 2016 #2

[ThinkHard]

Yes, I know DNA won't tell us his country.... sigh...what I meant was : if we knew his ethnicity perhaps LE could make an extra effort to show this composite in that ethnic community, might get more traction. I was just commenting that even though he might have no DNA on file here, he could have a long record in his country of origin, assuming he was not from this country. Hope this clears it up. and jmo

DNA doesn't quite work that way. It can't for example say your Russian....it might point to be Eastern European though, which is a pretty broad category. Most people also don't just show genetic phenotypes for one region though, they would likely be a mix that could show percentages from various regions of the world. Some of this can indicate if someone has strong Africa ancestry...they are very likely dark skinned. But it can't tell your ethnicity in a way that would point to a specific neighborhood. It's just not that precise. Genetics is very very complicated and it's very very much in its infancy, we still have so much to learn and understand about it.

Just as an add on, their are a few very very tight knit communities they haven't intermarried much over the centuries that carry distinctive phenotypes that can precisely identify an ancestry but this is the exception rather then the rule

 

[mrsu]

1. Even if this sketch is a suspect, the cops are not going to say "we're looking for this guy who is the #1 suspect in our case". Of course he wouldn't come forward. But he may come forward if he is brazen enough and thinks he has outsmarted the cops or wasn't caught on video. Everyone is a suspect until they are ruled out, it's cop talk.

2. IMO "black" doesn't necessarily mean only African American. It could very well be that this witness could only recall that he was darker skinned. With it being summer, I'm sure there are many runners or day laborers that are quite tan this time of year and it may be hard to distinguish whether someone is African American, Hispanic, etc.

 

[Dollcat]

Great find. He looks identical to the sketch in Karina's case. Since this sketch was 2 years ago its quite possible he doesnt weigh as much now.

Agree that he could lost weight but what about the height?

 

[FindHG]

I hope people see the sketch and consider the area. I wonder if any boaters in Jamaica Bay may have noticed him or anyone else maybe?

Another view

Belt Pkwy Pathway

 

[Momoffourboys]

I hope people see the sketch. Any boaters in the area may have noticed somebody maybe.

The sketch has come across my FB at least a dozen times today, was on TV 3-4 times, was discussed on the radio (1010WINS) all day. IMO it is definitely being seen.

 

[liz b.]

DNA doesn't quite work that way. It can't for example say your Russian....it might point to be Eastern European though, which is a pretty broad category. Most people also don't just show genetic phenotypes for one region though, they would likely be a mix that could show percentages from various regions of the world. Some of this can indicate if someone has strong Africa ancestry...they are very likely dark skinned. But it can't tell your ethnicity in a way that would point to a specific neighborhood. It's just not that precise. Genetics is very very complicated and it's very very much in its infancy, we still have so much to learn and understand about it.

Just as an add on, their are a few very very tight knit communities they haven't intermarried much over the centuries that carry distinctive phenotypes that can precisely identify an ancestry but this is the exception rather then the rule

I know DNA won't lead us to his neighborhood...LOL I was typing while thinking. What I meant was : what if the utility worker had spoken to this guy, said hello or something. Perhaps his accent, or lack of understanding English might have given a clue to his ethnicity ? My comment about him possibly having DNA in another country ( if he was not from the USA) wasn't connected to his possible ethnicity. Hope this clears it up, and sorry for any confusion.

 

[ThinkHard]

I know DNA won't lead us to his neighborhood...LOL I was typing while thinking. What I meant was : what if the utility worker had spoken to this guy, said hello or something. Perhaps his accent, or lack of understanding English might have given a clue to his ethnicity ? My comment about him possibly having DNA in another country ( if he was not from the USA) wasn't connected to his possible ethnicity. Hope this clears it up, and sorry for any confusion.

Is there a reason you believe he would have been an immigrant?

 

[mrsu]

Going solely off the sketch, it appears he could have Hispanic, Asian/Mongolian, or even Native American features. With this area being such a melting pot, you just never know. We don't even know how true the sketch is.

 

[FindHG]

I know DNA won't lead us to his neighborhood...LOL I was typing while thinking. What I meant was : what if the utility worker had spoken to this guy, said hello or something. Perhaps his accent, or lack of understanding English might have given a clue to his ethnicity ? My comment about him possibly having DNA in another country ( if he was not from the USA) wasn't connected to his possible ethnicity. Hope this clears it up, and sorry for any confusion.

The utility worker was "surprised"... "and for a moment thought he was going to be mugged" as reported in Newsday, by A M DeStefano.

Not a great way to start a conversation, so it seems there is no reason to think he's foreign born, or poor, or nice or not. Just in the right place and at the right time to have seen something, so far, and middle aged.


And in NYT, Rick Rojas reports,

“We want to speak with this person because we feel he was there,” Robert K. Boyce, the New York Police Department’s chief of detectives, told reporters. “I’d never want to tell you he’s wanted for this crime, because he’s not. We have no evidence to say that.”

and more about where LE thinks the "actual" killer went, in a different direction, not Howard Beach.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...d-3-Aug-2016-Thread-2&p=12777907#post12777907

 

[mrsu]

Not to make light of the situation but to me it seems the sketch artist could have sketched this random guy of Google. [emoji23] [emoji15]

 

[Lauranyc83]

I have to rewatch the video again, but anyone remember the video shared earlier in this thread about the homeless man under the Crossbay Bridge who saves the chickens from being killed? This is who keeps coming to my mind when I see the sketch. I need to take a better look though.

Edit: this is the video I'm referencing. Still not sure.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0g25pCt-c

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[volcarm]

Why keep raising the reward money???? It's not helping


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[Laura817]

It was reported that man in the sketch was not a witness to the murder.

I think the whole not a witness thing could be a typo. They've been saying since yesterday this person may have seen something. I think they're choosing their words very carefully because he could very well be their suspect.

 

[Mysterylovescompany]

Hi guys & girls. I'm very new but was so compelled by the sketch I came across Google when I typed in the same keywords for the sketch for Karina, and came across anoth let sketch. EERILY similar. Almost identical except for the hat. I'm not sure if this was the same sketch shown in previous posts, I am new so bear with me. But I must say I am so in awe of everyone's responses. It is so nice and really amazing to see everyone come together and put our minds and heart together for Karina, someone we may or may not have not personally known. Oh I hope her parents/family get some little minuscule of peace, which I'm not sure they ever really could being the nature of this PURE EVIL. And Karina, I hope you dance forever amongst Angels. LINK TO EERILY SIMILIAR SKETCH (without a hat, please side by side them. I did that and wow!) http://pix11.com/2016/08/24/brookly...ve-victim-ultimatum-of-rape-or-death-charged/

 

[Momoffourboys]

He was arrested last week. His DNA profile would have lit up the lab like a xmas tree if there was a hit.



http://nypost.com/2016/08/24/cops-a...legedly-used-spare-key-to-enter-victims-home/

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hi guys & girls. I'm very new but was so compelled by the sketch I came across Google when I typed in the same keywords for the sketch for Karina, and came across anoth let sketch. EERILY similar. Almost identical except for the hat. I'm not sure if this was the same sketch shown in previous posts, I am new so bear with me. But I must say I am so in awe of everyone's responses. It is so nice and really amazing to see everyone come together and put our minds and heart together for Karina, someone we may or may not have not personally known. Oh I hope her parents/family get some little minuscule of peace, which I'm not sure they ever really could being the nature of this PURE EVIL. And Karina, I hope you dance forever amongst Angels. LINK TO EERILY SIMILIAR SKETCH (without a hat, please side by side them. I did that and wow!) http://pix11.com/2016/08/24/brookly...ve-victim-ultimatum-of-rape-or-death-charged/

WELCOME!!!

:welcome:

And great first post!!!

 

[Inthedetails]

Hi guys & girls. I'm very new but was so compelled by the sketch I came across Google when I typed in the same keywords for the sketch for Karina, and came across anoth let sketch. EERILY similar. Almost identical except for the hat. I'm not sure if this was the same sketch shown in previous posts, I am new so bear with me. But I must say I am so in awe of everyone's responses. It is so nice and really amazing to see everyone come together and put our minds and heart together for Karina, someone we may or may not have not personally known. Oh I hope her parents/family get some little minuscule of peace, which I'm not sure they ever really could being the nature of this PURE EVIL. And Karina, I hope you dance forever amongst Angels. LINK TO EERILY SIMILIAR SKETCH (without a hat, please side by side them. I did that and wow!) http://pix11.com/2016/08/24/brookly...ve-victim-ultimatum-of-rape-or-death-charged/

Whoa. Yet another sketch - I do see a resemblance, though not as strong as the Morningside Heights guy.

Other similarities are that he is wearing unseasonable clothing and the crimes are vicious. Thank goodness the victim lived.

Differences are he broke into an apartment (well, found a key under the mat!) and it was during the night, not day.

Bushwick is not that far from Howard Beach.

Welcome to WS, by the way. Great first post.

 

[Inthedetails]

Whoa. Yet another sketch - I do see a resemblance, though not as strong as the Morningside Heights guy.

Other similarities are that he is wearing unseasonable clothing and the crimes are vicious. Thank goodness the victim lived.

Differences are he broke into an apartment (well, found a key under the mat!) and it was during the night, not day.

Bushwick is not that far from Howard Beach.

Welcome to WS, by the way. Great first post.

Edited to add: NEVER MIND!!! I see above that the Bushwick perp was arrested. Good! Cross him off the list.

 

[Laura817]

Hi guys & girls. I'm very new but was so compelled by the sketch I came across Google when I typed in the same keywords for the sketch for Karina, and came across anoth let sketch. EERILY similar. Almost identical except for the hat. I'm not sure if this was the same sketch shown in previous posts, I am new so bear with me. But I must say I am so in awe of everyone's responses. It is so nice and really amazing to see everyone come together and put our minds and heart together for Karina, someone we may or may not have not personally known. Oh I hope her parents/family get some little minuscule of peace, which I'm not sure they ever really could being the nature of this PURE EVIL. And Karina, I hope you dance forever amongst Angels. LINK TO EERILY SIMILIAR SKETCH (without a hat, please side by side them. I did that and wow!) http://pix11.com/2016/08/24/brookly...ve-victim-ultimatum-of-rape-or-death-charged/

I do see the similarities with the brow ridge and cheekbones. I don't think it could be the same guy because the DNA would have matched in the system

 

[FindHG]

Parents of Murdered NYC Jogger are ‘Broken,’ Desperate for Killer’s Arrest
Posted on 31 August 2016 by KWBG



Earlier Wednesday, police released a sketch of a specific witness they would like to identify and interview.
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“Right now, I am a broken, broken woman,” Karina’s mother Cathy Vetrano...
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“It hasn’t been a roller coaster — it’s been one big downhill slide,” Karina’s father Phil Vetrano... “There are no ups in this. And it’s getting worse and worse. So we need to find this predator.”
[...]
Watch the interview Thursday morning on Good Morning America."

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