NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

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I find that very interesting. I wonder if they travel there for the summer months?

No, they were just there for the night,or maybe the weekend, same as he was. They were the same mix as the concertgoers and customers, mostly from the city but many from the surrounding areas (MA-RI-CT-NJ) as well.
 
LOL. Really? I suppose maybe where he hangs out that might be the case...

Is he referring to Jones Beach Theater?

I assume so. Unless there's another place on the beach that does big-name rock concerts.
 
Was there any kind of a wild tide or anything going on that night, that Shannon could have somehow been pulled into the ocean? Or could it have so dark down there that she didn't know how close she was to the water? Usually the moon will provide enough light near a beach, but I guess it could have been pitch dark and we have heard she was disoriented...

It shouldn't have been pitch dark unless there was heavy cloud cover. It was five in the morning; sunrise is at around 5:50 at that latitude at the beginning of may. So it should have been starting to get light.
 
The Girl who was killed in Boston by the Med School loser traveled from NYC to B-town to hook up with him
 
Hey I forgot to add that I found a person posting on one the review sites that mentioned "Sabrina" i.e. SG, as well as many other posts. This person, judging by reviews and posts, travels alot up and down the east. From Pa, lehigh high valley area all the way to Phila. Anyway, a few posts caught my eye as he continues to ask for recommendations for girls in A.C. as well. But the real eye opener was a post about why he uses CL and Services. Im not sure I should post it on this forum, but thinking I should so others can voice their opinions on what they think.
 
If you look at the road just past PH's house, it appears that there may also be a gate there. Hard to tell really, but it does appear that there is something across the road looking at google earth.

I've seen maps posted by other WSers that have JB's property marked as a house that is Oceanside with a dock. That's NOT what I have marked. I come up with his property being on the same side of the street as GC's. Located between The Fairway (in front) and Oak Beach Rd. (in back). The address is X The Fairway, and every search I've done shows this to be correct.
hi i think the brewer house may have a walkway back to the beach with a dock. Its listed as X fairway for sale on the weichert website...and it the same house picture as one that's been shown in media reports of the house searched. A lot of the houses there might not be right on the ocean but have a long walkway that goes to the beach and a dock. I know the house we rented was this way and we walked along it past another house but on the same walkway to the beach. Still if someone saw her running on oak beach road it seems she would be headed out of the community not towards the water?
 
Hey I forgot to add that I found a person posting on one the review sites that mentioned "Sabrina" i.e. SG, as well as many other posts. This person, judging by reviews and posts, travels alot up and down the east. From Pa, lehigh high valley area all the way to Phila. Anyway, a few posts caught my eye as he continues to ask for recommendations for girls in A.C. as well. But the real eye opener was a post about why he uses CL and Services. Im not sure I should post it on this forum, but thinking I should so others can voice their opinions on what they think.
i think you should post it...or a link to it. it might strike a chord with someone...you never know.
 
Hi Everyone....my first post. I read the first thread and the SG thread and have been trying to catch up here.....but very behind. : )lots of info!

I have been wondering if Shannan was small, like 3 of the 4 victims wrapped in burlap? I haven't been able to find that info anywhere. Thanks!

bolded by me.

The missing persons poster says 5"5" to 5'6" and 130 pounds. That's fairly slender imo.

You can see it at the beginning and the end of this video clip which shows Gus Coletti, the man whose house she ran to for help--he's the one who called 911.

[ame]http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/04/14/chernoff.ny.serial.killings.intv.cnn[/ame]
 
Hey I forgot to add that I found a person posting on one the review sites that mentioned "Sabrina" i.e. SG, as well as many other posts. This person, judging by reviews and posts, travels alot up and down the east. From Pa, lehigh high valley area all the way to Phila. Anyway, a few posts caught my eye as he continues to ask for recommendations for girls in A.C. as well. But the real eye opener was a post about why he uses CL and Services. Im not sure I should post it on this forum, but thinking I should so others can voice their opinions on what they think.

Please share! I can't get to those sites (dang parental controls! and I'm the parent!).
 
Looks like they were arrested for both prostitution AND drug dealing....no surprise, I think their is a big drug aspect to this case.
http://www.hudsonreporter.com/pages...ed+by+Timothy+J-+Carroll+6-28-09- &id=2810773
If the guy mentioned in the article is the same guy that drove her to Oak Beach then she'd known this driver for at least a year. She must have trusted him and felt safe with him. Like several others here.....I don't get the sense her driver was involved in her disappearance.
 
There is a great Photobucket link somewhere in this Thread it is excellent if you have not seen it, all info and images.
 
That somehow falling into the water and being swept away by the tide just doesn't compute with me.
Me either. I think the sound of the waves would have alerted her that she was near the water and, as has been mentioned, it was beginning to get daylight so the water would have been fairly visible to her.
 
Hubby walked into the computer room last night, stood behind my chair and gasped, "Why are you looking at strippers?!"

I told him I was planning our vacation. ;)

sorry OT but that was funny :floorlaugh:

I look at the site and I was alone:innocent:
 
I do think that there is the outside possibility that SG drowned...the water does get deeper past brewer's house...again I think we should be looking at the other victims....where was the victim in manhattan last seen etc. I would be sure the LE would have already interviewed anyone who saw SG at the party and they have already said the other people involved that night were not POI. it seems we are going around and around with this particular night when the other victims might be the ones that really point to the killer and not SG necessarily.

Welcome ArtLover! We have at least 4 witnesses (I'm not even including the doc), 2 of whom saw Shannan in the home and 3 who saw her running around the property that morning.
 
OK here is a post from the person on the review site. this particular post was what initially made me suspicious. I will past the actual text in the post so people who cannot access the review site can view as well. However, I should clarify that it appears this poster lives in Pa., not L.I. but has traveled all over. And he has a clear and deep knowledge of A.C. and strip clubs, hotels, girls etc.. Now obviously this could be a coincidence even though I think this guy has problems in his own right. But I certainly will not cast dispersions or make accusations without actual evidence.

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Why Craigslist

"The thrill of the hunt"

" The need for someone new all the time"

"Always wanting to be first"

"A sense of Adventure"

"NOT attracted to the perfect beauties"


I have seen several Craigslist girls as well as the more established and better advertised ladies. With CL the hobbyist must be more careful and do better planning (escape plans). I have met several gems from CL and a few I would rather forget. I have also had bad dates from other lists such as escorts.com
I will say this, I think craigslist of 12 to 18 months ago was a much better resource than it is today, far fewer scams then.
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Hey all, I think the people on this forum are very bright and intelligent people and have done some staggering work thus far. And for what it's worth I wanted to thank all of you for sharing your time and effort to do anything you can to help these families. Also, the people who have intimate knowledge of the are from living there or vacationing there have provided invaluable information. Anyway, it's reassuring to know there are people out there who care about others, even complete strangers, regardless of lifestyle.

I have had many thoughts about this case and cases, and now I am more confused and filled with doubt than ever before. However, I would like to provide some information and experience to help in any way I can. So here goes,

1. I live in the North Jersey area, about 15 minutes from Jersey City, where SG is from. I also know the service she used, Lace Party Girls, or whatever the new title is. The often do escorts, outcall only, and are available 24/7 for the right price. The range is usually from $200-$500 an hour, depending on location. They also do Bachelor parties and some provide special services depending on what the client wants. They will often send girls all over the NYC metro area to meet clients.
2. This company, and almost all the others like it, employ drivers on staff to make sure everything goes smoothly - from directions, to payment, to security. They are typically just regular guys who are hired for these jobs, often bigger, intimidating people (not always though) So, I am inclined to believe strongly that whoever drove SG was not employed by the john at all. That would never happen, an escort on an outcall at 2am would get into a car with a stranger, especially one who may not even be the john.
3. It is possible, of course, that SG branched out of the company and went independent, which alot of girls do, however, when they are independent, they typically do only incall at hotels to limit their risk as much as thy can. Still tho, if SG went independent, she would without a doubt have a driver with her, someone she knew and trusted, or thought she could trust. Honestly, from seeing the typical drivers, they are not the type who would strike you as a sick, evil person. They're often disinterested, i.e. playing poker while waiting in the car. So to me, SG's driver (meaning the man who drove her to LI) is not a suspect. Even though he left and figured she could find her way home is stupid and cruel, I seriously doubt he is connected.
4. Independent escorts often travel all over the coasts staying in different hotels. For intstance, maybe 4 days in NJ & NYC, 3 days in Fla, 4 days in Philly etc...Although it seems SG was close to her family, so my hunch is that she mostly stayed local.
5. And finally, today while searching some pages, I found an ad/review from 2010 that appeared to be from SG. I also discovered a few posts reviewing her services and people asking how to contact her, where does she advertise, what's she like etc. There are many websites and forums for these sort of things, and with a little digging, I'm sure most people can find them. Anyway, I saw SG post her phone number on one ad, and my heart dropped. I felt like I invaded something that was hers, something about that number made me nauseous, because we learned the person who did this used her phone. It was a surreal, heartbreaking thing to see.

I apologize for the length and if I rambled

Hi, NJGuy, thanks for your helpful, heartbreaking post.

According to Shannan's sister, she had worked for two escort services, but had left them for unclear reasons. According to something I read (I believe in New York), young women leave these booking agents either voluntarily (because they feel that they can make more money as independent contractors) or involuntarily (dropped for being unreliable or caught at hooking up unilaterally with escort clients).
 
Hi. New to this site sorry if I blunder! A few observations and then some questions...IMHO, when SG calls 911 and names her attacker I think she should be believed. Also, I think she was drugged. She may have seen something in JB's house or maybe was being strangled when she freaked out...then you have the bodies being found right where he lives...too much of a coinkidink 4 me.
Alot of SK's dispose of their victims in a location that can be seen by the killer, so they can re-live the murder.
Her driver had apparently been working with her for awhile (arrest record for both in 2009being referenced here), so I do believe his statements - also confirmed by GC...driver was looking for her.
I think JB may have called the driver BECAUSE she was freaking out and he KNEW she had already called 911, so she was not a good victim at this point - so to cover his a-- he called the driver and said come and get her.
I cannot believe that LE took 45 mins to respond when a woman says "they are trying to kill me." Also, maybe at least 2 other people called 911, and still no response. Makes me think maybe LE WAS in on it.
Questions (and pls forgive if they've already been asked)..

Is it possible that LE got hung up at the gate and couldn't get in?
How did LE eventually get into the gated community?

As for the phone calls to SG's family - TOTALLY POSSIBLE!!!!!!! Victim MB's sister was called from HER (MB's) cell phone, before anyone had published reports of her going missing...right? SG's mom is called also before posts in the press (it must have been from SG's cell - otherwise how did he get the number)?
Taunting...getting more bang for his buck. He's keeping their cell phones.
It's tough when we don't have much info to try to figure this one out.

One more observation: The SK is probably surfing the net just like the rest of us trying to find clues and info, after all, he found her ad on craigslist...maybe even a poster. I really hope LE solves this, but at this point I don't have alot of confidence in Suffolk County. WHY oh WHY didn't LE respond to her calls for help? Outrageous.

A couple more things I forgot:
Is it possible the SK "winters" in another location?
Do we know where JB works? Is it in the city of NY? Maybe near where the calls to MB's sister were made?

Tx! (2 old ladie's in Cali!)
 
I do think that there is the outside possibility that SG drowned...the water does get deeper past brewer's house...again I think we should be looking at the other victims....where was the victim in manhattan last seen etc. I would be sure the LE would have already interviewed anyone who saw SG at the party and they have already said the other people involved that night were not POI. it seems we are going around and around with this particular night when the other victims might be the ones that really point to the killer and not SG necessarily.

Hi, Artlover, welcome and thanks for your insights. I agree with what you say here, especially the summary to which I have added bold-face. Of course, Shannan is lost and it is tempting to develop information on one case that we do know about, but it does seem to me that the serial killer would be more likely solved by those we can safely conclude were victims of the serial killer.

Given Ms. Gilbert's previous history and condition that night, it wouldn't be surprising that at some point, she began to search for a ride home or encountered some monster who was seeking free sex with a stranger.
 
OH gosh that is so gross. I feel dirty. But thanks NJGuy. I do appreciate you sharing.
 
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