NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[Reannan]

.....Knowing the women's lifestyle and how it is viewed socially, some victims families may feel that it is useless to report a missing prostitute because they feel the authorities won't listen to them anyway. Some of the families were dysfunctional to begin with, and they just don't pay attention to someone going missing.

So I don't know why this person's family didn't report her missing, but it could be one of many reasons.

I guess I sort of understand the view by a family member that it might be useless to report a missing prostitute because you don't think anyone will do anything anyways. I am from a family that ran moonshine during the days of prohibition, so I COMPLETELY understand a distrust of authority and LE. The dysfunctional part is where I am stuck at. My moonshine-running family was most certainly not The Brady Bunch, and they were not Beaver Cleaver's family, but they would have freaking NAILED anyone that hurt any other member of the family!!! In today's world, they would have gone to LE over someone missing who went on a freaking $1500.00 job with a john that NO ONE knew about!!! WTH???? Of course, the prohibition stuff was something my family only talked about when I was a small child, but the members who were young then, and grew up with it still distrusted government and LE. At the same time, I would never have gone missing without someone reporting me missing. MOO.

 

[carbuff]

Minazoe, ALC was close to her sister, so I don't get how her sister, or ALC's "boyfriend" did not know where she was going that night. Especially for a gig that was paying $1500.00!!!! That is huge!! Why would ALC not have told either her sister or her boyfriend something along the lines of "Hey, this high-roller from [insert place - like Long Island] contacted me for a private party, and wants me to just wear jeans and a hoodie, and he is going to pay me $1500.00!!!!" It also does not make sense to me that the John came to her home to pick her up??? WTH???? Why didn't ALC use a driver? Even without the answers to those questions, I want to know why she was NOT REPORTED AS MISSING!!!! That is HUGELY important to this case IMHO. I am beginning to sense something a lot deeper than just a SK randomly picking girls from Craigslist for this crime. I don't know what it is yet.... but something doesn't feel right with the stories we have been getting from many of the peripheral people involved in this case. All my opinion of course. :twocents:

It feels that way to me too.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think we should keep in mind that this $1500 job story comes from DS, the guy with the baseball bat in not only the UGers story of the robbery scam, but by his own admission (though he gives a different reason for going after Johns with a bat). Regardless of which of these 2 versions is true, I think we'd be wise to take anything DS says with a grain of salt.

Also...DS states he let ALC book dates on his phone for safety reasons? Really? Not cause he was booking the dates FOR her? Oh, okay. :eyeroll:

 

[NSS]

I recall being in a "should I make a missing person report" a few years ago.

Recently moved to the US and my DD fell into a group that smoked weed, one evening she didn't return from a friends at 8pm. No answer at the house phone or the door.

I sat in my house with the phone in my hand thinking....OMG if she is smoking some weed at another friends house, I am about to ruin her future (The US has a zero tolerance policy ).

Moments before dialling at 8.30pm she walked in. No call needed, but I can sort of see the quandry that the family members were in, given their (ADULT) loved one could be involved with a host of illegal activities and that they are about to send the police searching for them with a missing person report.


Being 'missing' is rarely our first thought, and hindsight is 20/20.

 

[susan1122]

Thanks for that Roosevelt and :welcome4: WS ;}

I would love to read your rundown on the narcissist. And do you believe there are grades of both sociopathy and narcissistic personalities? And do you believe people with these personalities have a propensity for violence, even if it is within their heads and they have never acted on it?

I find the story about Amber simply scary. In the article it says she ended up in a SK's dumping ground. The poster we read about in the above link, is the consensus of opinion that he was or is the SK?


PS: Sorry for the 2 pronged post.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=inside-the-mind-of-a-psychopath

Unfortunately the psychopath article Isn't free and I only have that one issue hidden on my floor in stacks of magazines. ; ).....I'll look for it (hoarding anyone? Jk).

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

Hi Scandi, I know you were asking Roosevelt....but I have been reading a lot about Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) recently. So thought I'd put in my 2 cents. I think there are grades...if by that you mean some people are more disordered than others. NPD and Antisocial personality disorder are in the same class or category of mental illnesses, from what I understand.

Good question about the violence......I think some are and some aren't and it probably has to do w/ childhood experiences....like so much does. I read an article that said that psychopaths actually have a piece of their brain missing. I'll try to find it.

Anyway, this stuff fascinates me....and saddens me. I read a lot. I'll get links. But I absolutely think we could have a SK here. Would love to hear what others think, too.

 

[epiphany]

I don't believe her sister was there when she got picked up, I think her roommate was though.

If he was, I don't get the impression he's saying so. It reads as if ALC left the house alone that night, without her "roommate," even though it was an "outcall." I get the impression that ALC met him somewhere in the vicinity.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...iller-victim-amber-lyn-costellos-final-hours/

On this particular evening, Schaller recalls, the man called three or four times. "She felt comfortable with him," he says. The last call came at 10:30, and moments later she headed out of the modest gray-shingled house she shared with Schaller in West Babylon, N.Y., wearing a pink hoodie and jeans.

On the morning of Sept. 3, Schaller called Costello's sister, Kimberly Overstreet—Amber hadn't yet returned. He says she told him not to worry. And so he waited.

 

[nao]

JMO
ALC a $1500 date and a hoodie -feels like drugs or ripoff of some kind(the anonimous clothing) to me. Or a story about easy money with one of the above (or *advertiser censored* film as mentioned) but it was a setup, a lie.
Clients get really, really pissed if ripped off - -they pay to be dominant and end up wimpering.
Is there any other common factor the girls may of had. Even Working Girls have time off, underground clubs for people who have $ but live on the fringe of sociaty. Working girls often have groupies who are not a client - and the drug world and cab drivers

 

[epiphany]

I cannot let go of the idea that the SK is aware of the selected victim's last location, and literally moves himself into the specific location/area (My past speculation with SG.). With SG, he could not close the deal, so to speak. He knew where she was, however, that evening, and sent her either a text or call as she was about to leave the john's residence. With ALC, he had been communicating with her, according to her "roommate," he knew of her exact location, and was able to close the deal with her. With SG, I believe that SG never agreed to the job with the SK, and since he was stalking her (with info from his online activity, etc.), he waited for her to leave the property and plucked her from it. I do not think that the SK is open on any of these sites. He's a member. Sure. Not posting openly and boldly like these other Users. Too smart for it. Perhaps, an innocent question, here and there. Perhaps, private communications-yes, a private chat. Probably so. A lot of work for the FBI, I'm sure.

 

[svpernin]

If he was, I don't get the impression he's saying so. It reads as if ALC left the house alone that night, without her "roommate," even though it was an "outcall." I get the impression that ALC met him somewhere in the vicinity.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...iller-victim-amber-lyn-costellos-final-hours/

On this particular evening, Schaller recalls, the man called three or four times. "She felt comfortable with him," he says. The last call came at 10:30, and moments later she headed out of the modest gray-shingled house she shared with Schaller in West Babylon, N.Y., wearing a pink hoodie and jeans.

On the morning of Sept. 3, Schaller called Costello's sister, Kimberly Overstreet—Amber hadn't yet returned. He says she told him not to worry. And so he waited.

No no, I just meant I think her roommate was at the house when she left, I don't think he saw the person who picked Amber up. On the CNN special last night, Amber's sister said the guy called Amber when he got to the neighborhood and said he was coming down the road and for her to come out. Then she said Amber gave the phone to "the people she was with" and walked out the door. So there were people at the house when she left, but I don't know if they saw the car or anything.

Amber's sister also said the date was for "a few hundred dollars," which, I don't think could equate to $1500 by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not sure what to believe. SO CONFUSED :banghead:

 

[epiphany]

No no, I just meant I think her roommate was at the house when she left, I don't think he saw the person who picked Amber up. On the CNN special last night, Amber's sister said the guy called Amber when he got to the neighborhood and said he was coming down the road and for her to come out. Then she said Amber gave the phone to "the people she was with" and walked out the door. So there were people at the house when she left, but I don't know if they saw the car or anything.

Amber's sister also said the date was for "a few hundred dollars," which, I don't think could equate to $1500 by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not sure what to believe. SO CONFUSED :banghead:

Yes! I see now what you meant. Nice and easy for the SK that evening! But with SG---IMO, she turned the SK/John down. She was not interested in the job, even for the amount of money he probably offered her. Problem was, the SK had selected SG as his victim, and he was going to have her no matter. He contacted her as she was leaving. And he already planted himself in the area. He works the escort sites in LI and vicinity. After all, he uses the area as his burial grounds. Wish I had seen the special!

 

[citylady]

If this has already been posted here, forgive me - I could not find it on a search...

"Members of an Internet sex forum hatched a "revenge" plot against a Long Island hooker who was later murdered and dumped in a serial killer's burial ground, the Daily News has learned.

Talk on longislanderotic.com shows members were outraged when one of their cronies claimed he had paid Amber Lynn Costello $200 for sex, only to be robbed by men who barged into her West Babylon home..."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...g_island_hooker_later_murdered_dumped_in.html

 

[epiphany]

Someone said that ALC did not take her cell that evening when she left to meet the SK.

Did the CNN special say whether Amber took her "roommate's" cell with her that evening when she left? The idea that she left without any cell (particularly for an "outcall" and without her "roommate" waiting outside a location for her, as he often did, does not make sense to me. Perhaps, they have been asked to leave out that detail (that she took the "roommate's cell").

If so (no cell taken), it must have been an error (left without any cell-the one time she was absent-minded) on her part, and the SK---once he had her in his vehicle, and when she noticed her cell was missing, would not let her retrieve it.

 

[NJGuy]

Yes! I see now what you meant. Nice and easy for the SK that evening! But with SG---IMO, she turned the SK/John down. She was not interested in the job, even for the amount of money he probably offered her. Problem was, the SK had selected SG as his victim, and he was going to have her no matter. He contacted her as she was leaving. And he already planted himself in the area. He works the escort sites in LI and vicinity. After all, he uses the area as his burial grounds. Wish I had seen the special!

Hi I might be confused or missing a piece of info and I was hoping you could help me. I see how that scenario would play out with ALC, but if SG had originally turned the SK down, and went to JBs instead, how would the SK know where she was? Especially because she came from Jersey City and wasn't a local girl like ALC. And there's no way SG would've told any potential client where she would be goin that night after turning them down.

Maybe I am missing something that was posted and I didnt see it?

Thanks

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=inside-the-mind-of-a-psychopath

Unfortunately the psychopath article Isn't free and I only have that one issue hidden on my floor in stacks of magazines. ; ).....I'll look for it (hoarding anyone? Jk).

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

Hi Scandi, I know you were asking Roosevelt....but I have been reading a lot about Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) recently. So thought I'd put in my 2 cents. I think there are grades...if by that you mean some people are more disordered than others. NPD and Antisocial personality disorder are in the same class or category of mental illnesses, from what I understand.

Good question about the violence......I think some are and some aren't and it probably has to do w/ childhood experiences....like so much does. I read an article that said that psychopaths actually have a piece of their brain missing. I'll try to find it.

Anyway, this stuff fascinates me....and saddens me. I read a lot. I'll get links. But I absolutely think we could have a SK here. Would love to hear what others think, too.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is not a mental illness. It is a personality disorder.

 

[epiphany]

No no, I just meant I think her roommate was at the house when she left, I don't think he saw the person who picked Amber up. On the CNN special last night, Amber's sister said the guy called Amber when he got to the neighborhood and said he was coming down the road and for her to come out. Then she said Amber gave the phone to "the people she was with" and walked out the door. So there were people at the house when she left, but I don't know if they saw the car or anything.

Amber's sister also said the date was for "a few hundred dollars," which, I don't think could equate to $1500 by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not sure what to believe. SO CONFUSED :banghead:

Respectfully, BBM.

IMO, once he selects his victim---the SK is determined that she will be his next victim. Of course, harder for him if the selected victim turns him down like SG may have. The SK/john was communicating/speaking with ALC several times that day because he probably had to up the price several times because of both what he was asking her to perform and in order to get her out of her residence. In ALC case, it worked. In SG's case, it didn't. But that didn't stop him that morning.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

No no, I just meant I think her roommate was at the house when she left, I don't think he saw the person who picked Amber up. On the CNN special last night, Amber's sister said the guy called Amber when he got to the neighborhood and said he was coming down the road and for her to come out. Then she said Amber gave the phone to "the people she was with" and walked out the door. So there were people at the house when she left, but I don't know if they saw the car or anything.

Amber's sister also said the date was for "a few hundred dollars," which, I don't think could equate to $1500 by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not sure what to believe. SO CONFUSED :banghead:

Okay, wait a minute...ACL goes on a job and hands the people there her cellphone before leaving?! Says, "If my sister calls, tell her I love her." Are they trying to make this sound like a suicide or something? Sounds like a cockamamie "goodbye cruel world" story to me. Sorry, but it does.

Did LE track the phone or something, and that's why this story had to be made up on the fly? I don't know. But it sure as hell doesn't add up.

JMO, of course. But it's the right opinion, so there. :crazy:

 

[nugzter]

IMO, the SG aspect of this SK search is a distraction for me. I am trying to focus on the physical evidence, or lack there of. Thanks LE, lool. Until SG is connected to the SK, I am trying to not to take it in with much intensity. There are a lot of interesting parallels, but IMO we will get a lot further looking at just the facts, and get away from the rumors and Tabloid like atmosphere of SG disappearance.
BTW, whoever found all the internet John info is good. I looked for 4 hours yesterday thru alot of the "John" blogs and found nothing. Good Sleuthing yall!!!!

 

[epiphany]

Hi I might be confused or missing a piece of info and I was hoping you could help me. I see how that scenario would play out with ALC, but if SG had originally turned the SK down, and went to JBs instead, how would the SK know where she was? Especially because she came from Jersey City and wasn't a local girl like ALC. And there's no way SG would've told any potential client where she would be goin that night after turning them down.

Maybe I am missing something that was posted and I didnt see it?

Thanks

No, not SG giving away the location of her job. Pure speculation on my part: the SK trolls and is involved at some level in these escort sites. Member of them. Communicates with other Users in private chats who may reveal what particular girl is coming over that evening, etc. to one or two of the members. Some of these Users had no problem posting ALC's address and info. and had no problem posting their Revenge Fantasies! More than one user even jumped in. Who knows what they share and reveal to each during their private messaging!

 

[Reannan]

Okay, wait a minute...ACL goes on a job and hands the people there her cellphone before leaving?! Says, "If my sister calls, tell her I love her." Are they trying to make this sound like a suicide or something? Sounds like a cockamamie "goodbye cruel world" story to me. Sorry, but it does.

Did LE track the phone or something, and that's why this story had to be made up on the fly? I don't know. But it sure as hell doesn't add up.

JMO, of course. But it's the right opinion, so there. :crazy:

EXACTLY MK!!! So, we have a girl who was at home with "others" and who left with a guy that was paying her significant bucks that night. ALC is a key person to identify who the SK is IMHO. Why did her sister tell the boyfriend, DS, not to worry??? When DID they start worrying??? WTH was she never reported as missing?? I mean really! Given what I have seen over the past few days, you could not build enough prisons to house escorts and john's from the Long Island area alone!!! If I was hooking with my sister and she went missing, I would call LE and let them know because I really don't see myself doing any time in jail at all! My sister would be more important!!! Now, if I was involved with something, and/or my sister was involved with something that involved a lot of money, I might be more hesitant to call because I might be in fear for my own life. Hmmmm...... new theories..... All of this is of course, my own opinion, and sometimes vivid, but accurate imagination.

 

[NJGuy]

No, not SG giving away the location of her job. Pure speculation on my part: the SK trolls and is involved at some level in these escort sites. Member of them. Communicates with other Users in private chats who may reveal what particular girl is coming over that evening, etc. to one or two of the members. Some of these Users had no problem posting ALC's address and info. and had no problem posting their Revenge Fantasies! More than one user even jumped in. Who knows what they share and reveal to each during their private messaging!

Now I got what you're saying. I misunderstand the original post. Thank you for clarifying, I see your point