NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

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What the cop ratio out there, Epiphany? Retired cops move out there?

Honestly, do not know. I know of NYPD who have moved out of NYC, and become LI LE.

I think you would have some NYPD who do live on the Island. Not sure that you would have LI Law Enforcement that would live in NYC. On second thought, unsure about Queens---However, I don't know if one of the requirements to be on LI LE is to be a LI resident.

IMO, this SK is familiar with both Manhattan and that area of LI.
 
melissa barthelemy's sister family got calls from someone. it may or may not been the sk.
imo, i honestly think it was a pissed off pimp who had no idea she was dead, and just thought that melissa left him and went back home or took off somewhere.

the calls were made 3 days in july 2009. melissa was last seen july 12, 2009.
she's wasn't found until this past december.

at first i thought it might have been the sk, however if it is he's only harassed melissa's family. so at this point i honestly think it was her pimp, pissed off he's losing money and thinking she dipped out on him.

http://www.metro.us/newyork/local/article/755182--slay-suspect-harassed-victim-s-sister

Weren't the calls were made from Melissa's phone?
 
JB definitely has access to the bay down the path opposite his house which cuts across a vacant lot. He may own the lot, may have an easement across it or it may be part of the community association property. A gated waterfront community like this would almost certainly have an association beach for everyone in the community to share. It looks like that is further to the right, but the lot opposite JB's house could also be one.

I think we can file this in the department of completely irrelevant info though...or did I miss something? :rolleyes:

Hi, Someone had theorized about her maybe falling into the bay and not realizing at that time she was way up at the end of the street and not at an adjacent house to JB, wondered how she would get to the bay. It is irrelevant now ;}
 
Honestly, do not know. I know of NYPD who have moved out of NYC, and become LI LE.

I think you would have some NYPD who do live on the Island. Not sure that you would have LI Law Enforcement that would live in NYC. On second thought, unsure about Queens---However, I don't know if one of the requirements to be on LI LE is to be a LI resident.

IMO, this SK is familiar with both Manhattan and that area of LI.


Hmmmmmmmm. Thank you so much Epiphany. Especially NYPD moving to LI to become LI LE.
 
epochmiss, your right on target =) the caller did use melissa's cell phone for that. the phone was later picked up after a pimp fight? i may have got the details messed up. i know some calls were traced to the times square, madison square garden, and midtown manhattan.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/crime/killer-may-have-used-Barthelemys-phone

also i just wanted to add that i've heard the term "party" before in reference to cocaine, however in the context it was used i don't think jb or the driver would be admitting to having a white nose. if jb were to do a drug, i could see it being coke or pills more than any other drug. (just imo)

at first we hear sg was at a party at jb's. yet who made up the members of the party? how many were there? was it a party of 2 and the third being the driver in his car?
so many unanswered questions...

I agree with what the previous poster said about the meaning of being invited to "party" and what those kind of calls entail, but I also agree with this post - the word party in this case has been used in a different context, and I believe it was simply a euphemism for "date" - (which is in turn a euphemism!) I don't think it is to be taken literally, including if the john or driver said it to GC - they wouldn't, after all, tell him she had been there to service someone.
 
Just curious, How do you get to Manhattan from LI, besides auto. Ta

If he was calling from the Times Square and Madison Square Garden areas, he easily could have also called from the Penn Station area as well. In addition to serving commuters from/to Long Island, Penn Station is a major transit hub also serving NJ commuters and subway riders.

...calls that the police suspect came from the killer — were made from in or around some of the most crowded locations in New York City, including Madison Square Garden and Times Square, according to the people briefed on the case...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
 
I think this guy will be related to the NJ victims as well.
 
fear.
shannon at that point was afraid of the driver also. all we have is the driver's side of the story that says everything to make shannon sound bad. she was on drugs, delusional, irrational. pretty much to give discredits to shannon. how did the driver know she was on drugs at that time? did he give her some?

it's all so odd.. i'm not sure whether to think the driver and jb incahoots or what at this point.
the driver sure has acted odd, not to mention we've hardly heard a peep out of him through all this. if he is so innocent he'd say something at least a r.i.p. type thing.
either the driver is a witness or something worse

Otherwise perhaps he feels guilty because he did leave her, and didn't even check to find out if she made it home after all.
 
Yes or Coke but a girl who has been around the Block has a very strong constitution. she has to. To do what a Escort does takes, let's say Balls.
now that i think about it Maybe Acid would give Her a bad trip, but she's not going to take that if she's not used to it.

I still think she was drugged. Her sister seems to be leaning towards that too - in the radio interview - although she did have some history of drug use she didn't use when she was working, I think she said.

The date rape drug pretty much incapacitates you - I've heard that victims seem like they are drunk.
 
If he was calling from the Times Square and Madison Square Garden areas, he easily could have also called from the Penn Station area as well. In addition to serving commuters from/to Long Island, Penn Station is a major transit hub also serving NJ commuters and subway riders

The last call made from Melissa's phone came from Massapequa (Long Island)
Could have been made from Massapequa Mall..
The SK is obviously playing a cat and mouse game with LE.
 
I've been trying to visualize where she would go in heading towards the bushes and how far she could run.

One thing is it was light outside that day and at that time of the morning. She didn't have to stumble around in the dark.

She did hide behind a boat and lost an earring and her jacket at some point. I think that as she struggled to get away from him she lost those items and the perp didn't realize it at the time. And the moment of her being grabbed is caught at the end of the last 911 call she made, right?

Did anyone read her earring was found on a road? IMO

Her sister talks about finding it in her radio interview.

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

She found it on JB's property when she went to talk to him a few days after Shannon disappeared.
 
Why hasn't anyone else listened to this?!!!

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

26 minutes in - interview with Shannon's sister - she talks about the doctor, about talking to JB, finding the earring, the police finding Shannon's coat and then losing it, and more...


It was worth listening to for sure. A lot of how could's in this case ~ LE losing her jacket, missing an earring in plain sight on the ground, losing the 911 tape for 3 months and who knows what else. The local doctor there doesn't have a lot of info on his medical page, or say not as extensive as the other doctor we talked about earlier today. I expected to learn more about him, age, home address, where he has practiced, etc. But maybe it is sufficient for now till we learn more.

Thinking of the connection to AC which the LE spokesman has not retracted, I think there has to be more of a connection than one of the gals who died there had previously spent 5 weeks in LI.

Since it came out that LE was zoning in on a suspect about the same time, it must be they have connected someone who had the opportunity to kill the gals in AC but who also knew LI like the back of his hand.


The last 4 girls were disposed of in a different way. I wonder if that matched the finer details of the AC murders that only the killer would know, and of course now LE as well.
 
I read somewhere today there is a feeling he could be in LE or was at one time. I think it was in the article about how this SK is so in tune with the way police work.

Of course now I have also heard the correct name of the doctor who called Shannan's mother in listening to that interview What a case !!!

Is it true that one officer discovered all 8 bodies?

I have never seen the second officer named.

The first was a K9 officer. They have said the second was a "Marine unit" officer or something. So maybe different ones?

I don't know, but if the second 4 bodies have been there even longer than the first four... it is even more amazing they were found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
 
A few days after she was last seen, her sister received calls from her cell phone, and a man on the other end said she was a “*advertiser censored*,” the official said.

In the days after the missing-persons report was made, New York City police tracked the cell phone signal to midtown Manhattan and searched the areas near Pennsylvania Station and the Port Authority bus terminal, but the signal went dead, the official said.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011...lemy-missing-woman-made-call-from-massapequa/
 
It was worth listening to for sure. A lot of how could's in this case ~ LE losing her jacket, missing an earring in plain sight on the ground, losing the 911 tape for 3 months and who knows what else. The local doctor there doesn't have a lot of info on his medical page, or say not as extensive as the other doctor we talked about earlier today. I expected to learn more about him, age, home address, where he has practiced, etc. But maybe it is sufficient for now till we learn more.

Thinking of the connection to AC which the LE spokesman has not retracted, I think there has to be more of a connection than one of the gals who died there had previously spent 5 weeks in LI.

Since it came out that LE was zoning in on a suspect about the same time, it must be they have connected someone who had the opportunity to kill the gals in AC but who also knew LI like the back of his hand.


The last 4 girls were disposed of in a different way. I wonder if that matched the finer details of the AC murders that only the killer would know, and of course now LE as well.

bbm -- that raises the possibility that the earring was planted there after LE searched. More games?
 
Here's the LIRR map from Penn Station with the various lines. Most stations, if not all, have large car parks to take commuter cars and taxi ranks for those who prefer to leave their cars at home.

http://mta.info/lirr/Timetable/lirrmap.htm

I've never seen towns laid out in such nice order, one right after another in a line. It sure isn't like that on the West Coast ;}

Thanks for that
 
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