NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #4

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HeinekenMan said:
Well, I normally post on a sportswriter message board. These topics are a little more sensitive than a discussion of whether Tiger Woods can win another major. So I plan to tread lightly. I'm impressed thus far with all of the thinking and digging.

I know a lot of folks have mentioned their theories. I don't have all of the details. So my theory will probably be cast out right away. But here it is. I think there's a sick SK pimp who kills prostitutes for fun. I think some girls disappeared, and I think those girls had visited the john SG saw the night she disappeared. I think SG knew the names of some of those girls who had disappeared. I think the john she visited mentioned a few of those girls' names, and I think she was able to put together that all of the disappeared girls had the same pimp.

That would explain why she didn't want to leave them.

Here are the questions that I still have:

1. What was the last we heard about this second john? I heard there was a transient who was at the home, but I haven't read all of the thread stuff to know the whole story on that.

2. If she named the person who was after her, has anyone released that person's name?

Everything seems to point to the driver. Everything. Yet he's not even considered a suspect. Why not? Is LE hoping he is relaxed enough to pull another one? Or is he truly innocent?
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welcome to websleuths heinekenman!

i hope this helps with your questions, if anyone else has better info go for it =)

the second john seems to be a later anouncement by the le/media. at first we heard about a "party" that night at jb's yet we didn't know what constituted a "party" or how many. it may just be a plant le threw out there, or maybe not.

shannon told her attackers name on the 911 tape, yet they can't release it as it would potentially jeopardize the investigation

i agree with you about the driver being a little shady, however i'm not sure whether the driver is a witness or a suspect or what, imo.

we've heard so little about the driver, not even his name. yet supposedly he went back there to search with shannon's bf after she went missing. i honestly don't know what to make of the driver. his way of words about shannon seemed like he was trying to make her look not credible that night.

also if he was the one creeping down the road in the suv, stopping a little, then door opening, then looking around, (repeat pattern that night) that's a horrible way to look for shannon.

he should have been yelling out her name. gc had to ask him what he was doing. he said looking for a girl who left a party upset.
so with that excuse prepared, he may as well called out her name.
 
carbuff said:
Another possible: Danielle Marie Nuttall-Ravert (http://www.nampn.org/cases/nuttall-ravert_danielle.html) Missing Since: September 2, 2008 from Trenton, New Jersey.

I didn't include her on the first pass because she's heavy and I was only looking for petite women. But Molly Dilts is also a large woman.

And Danielle's case information includes this: "Nuttall-Ravert is also known to frequent the Egg Harbor area, where she used to live, and Atlantic City."

Whoa. Do you suppose there are more bodies in AC that haven't been located?
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Whoa! Just whoa!

Gotta wonder how old the photos are as well.

Just whoa!

How awfully, awfully sad. Danielle's stepsister left a message looking for her.

Remembering all the missing and their families in prayer right now.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2008/09/concerned_relatives_report_tre.html
 
Filly said:
Hartford County, MD?

I-95 would rule out the Jersey. I was focusing on the Garden State Parkway in connection between NY and NJ.

We know it's not the Philly SK. I don't even think that dude drove.
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Why would I-95 rule out AC? Drive time through NY, NJ and MD is pretty minimal.
 
If LE is able to identify the so far unidentified, it may show if there is really a specific type of woman being targeted, or not. That was my thought as to race, that's all.

Do airlines use burlap sacks for anything? Or maybe postal workers?
 
Is it possible that the reason why the driver's name has not been released because he is a witness who might have provided some strong information, thus, LE doesn't want to take any chances with the psycho sk seeking out the driver?
 
The sooner LE IDs the last 4 bodies the sooner we will know if they were on CL or the last known where abouts. whereabouts{sp} where abouts, sounds funny.
 
Filly said:
Hartford County, MD?

I-95 would rule out the Jersey. I was focusing on the Garden State Parkway in connection between NY and NJ.

We know it's not the Philly SK. I don't even think that dude drove.
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Hey Filly! What about I-295? That runs parallel to the Turnpike and it has easy access to I-95 points?? Just a thought.

Forgive my ignorance, as I'm late coming to this thread...but has this guy in LI been connected to the guy in AC or is this an assumption based on pattern?

Thanks! :)
 
The thing about burlap sacks is that many of them have printing on them. That would narrow it a lot, but we haven't heard any of those details.

I would think that releasing the driver's name would help LE obtain new and potentially vital information. All it would take is someone to step forward and offer a solid lead. But you can't tell LE something about a person if you don't know that the person is involved in a case.
 
The truck in the pic looks like Animal Control to me. Not park service. I don't think they are white.
 
chemcopout said:
welcome to websleuths heinekenman!

i hope this helps with your questions, if anyone else has better info go for it =)

the second john seems to be a later anouncement by the le/media. at first we heard about a "party" that night at jb's yet we didn't know what constituted a "party" or how many. it may just be a plant le threw out there, or maybe not.

shannon told her attackers name on the 911 tape, yet they can't release it as it would potentially jeopardize the investigation

i agree with you about the driver being a little shady, however i'm not sure whether the driver is a witness or a suspect or what, imo.

we've heard so little about the driver, not even his name. yet supposedly he went back there to search with shannon's bf after she went missing. i honestly don't know what to make of the driver. his way of words about shannon seemed like he was trying to make her look not credible that night.

also if he was the one creeping down the road in the suv, stopping a little, then door opening, then looking around, (repeat pattern that night) that's a horrible way to look for shannon.

he should have been yelling out her name. gc had to ask him what he was doing. he said looking for a girl who left a party upset.
so with that excuse prepared, he may as well called out her name.
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bbm -- Unless he was trying to find her without alerting the prowling killer where they were.
 
strach304 said:
Why would I-95 rule out AC? Drive time through NY, NJ and MD is pretty minimal.
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You're right. I just always think "Bridge" from 95 to get over to AC. Pay me no mind, Strach I have direction issues.;)

What about Delaware? Beaches!
 
strach304 said:
I know they searched the area at the time they found the four bodies. They were laid out right together and determined the most recent had been killed no more than a week ago. The rest up to a month and the ones they determined COD for was strangulation. They thought he was doing some type of ritualistic thing by pointing their feet east. I think he removed or placed socks on them.
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Yes, I didn't mean other bodies that were there at the time -- Nuttall-Ravert disappeared two years after that, in 2008. I was wondering if there are other AC dumping grounds as well.
 
Has anyone thought this guy works in animal control.. sadly a lot of ACO's are sadists and it would fit with that truck.. it looks like it has vents on top some trucks have vents on the top some have them on the sides of each kennel door.

Just a thought... i'm no where near your guys' level with this stuff
 
I don't think we can rule out Canada victims and missing. My head keep going back to Canada.

Will SK try to contact Shannan's sister? If he is playing cat and mouse game I can see this happening and we never know until after he been arrested.

Will he be like the Zodiac or BTK and want more attention from media?

My theory is he from Long Island and he travel... has connections to Manhattan and he rich. That my theory at this minute tomorrow it might be different. yea! I know it not big theory :banghead:

I keep thinking about EX Col Williams and how he punk'd everyone:banghead:

The finding of the child I did not see coming at all. :banghead:
 
carbuff said:
Yes, I didn't mean other bodies that were there at the time -- Nuttall-Ravert disappeared two years after that, in 2008. I was wondering if there are other AC dumping grounds as well.
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Right, yeah. I knew that was what you meant. Those are just some details I was recalling from the time. They searched around that specific area, were doing regular patrols and talking to addicts and known prostitutes just in that vicinity. I do not remember LE looking anywhere else besides where tips may have led them. The case just seemed to go cold. It stands to reason he moved elsewhere.

The biggest reason for me to think the AC and NY killings are related is because in the AC cases there were four. All four were laid out together. The first ones in NY are four. All placed close together and the burlap bags. The AC ones were described as being ritualistic and I don't know but the burlap bags may signify some sort of ritual in his prep or whatever. Then the next ones in NY are found close together and there are four. They're beach/resort areas.
 
carbuff said:
I don't think that's the same truck -- the one in Internetgirl's Bing photo is a full double cab, and I think it's older and larger, too. Wish I could make out what that thing on top is. It doesn't look quite right for lights.
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The pic she posted has what looks like the little outside doors that would be cages if animal control. I've seen some cable and power trucks made just like that too. They have the little outside doors for the equipment.
 
I posted the current version of the timeline to the media thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6323709&postcount=3"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK, 4 more found 3/11 NO DISCUSSION[/ame]

Let me know if you find errors, omissions, whatever. I can add news links for the missing women as well.
 
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