NY - LISK Bodies found as of December 10, 2011 Thread #13

[minazoe]

what if he told her he would hide her from the cops and she was actually inside his house the whole time?



naaaah...that's crazy...but so is this case...

does GC own an off road V? I wonder.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I'm working on making a separate section in the case archive just for the Shannan Gilbert stuff.

Here's the archive:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Ocean Parkway Long Island Murders -NY-/

It's going to take a while to make/reorganize it.

Thanks for all of the time and hard work you have put into this! It's greatly appreciated!

 

[Dwntwnslim]

@snapdragon2
Thank you… I have been thinking about this case almost non-stop for months. I have so many pieces of information that it’s been difficult to put them together. I like complex problems and believe you can't solve the overall problem if you don’t work the details. I am especially curious about the events after Shannan turned the corner onto Anchor and the exact response LE took that morning (some accounts say 1 officer/1 car, some say more than one officer, some say officers, dogs and helicopters – so ???). Those subjects will be my initial posts. I do have an overall theory and I believe there is a connection between Shannan and the 4 Gilgo and 4 AC (not the others found on Gilgo).

@claudicici
Thank you…
Re “sleepy” I was actually being facetious. I agree with you - anything but sleepy. That officer knew exactly in what community he was. He put on kid gloves before he arrived.

@jimmydo
Very informative post, thank you. I had meant that given all the (in my view, intentional) uncollected and missing evidence, that “inconclusive” would be the safe evaluation for the ME – it would allow for anyone’s agenda and appear unbiased. I know very little about this particular field and did a lot of research on “controversial” deaths and it seemed they are often deemed inconclusive. I will study the info you gave. If the ME says drowning, I’ll have more questions.

@bodhi93
I watched 48 Hours on my computer and took print screens of the close-up shots of the surveillance equipment and then pulled the product specs from the manufacturer's website. I’d like to know if there are other cameras in that community set up by individual residents (not just pointing at their own homes, but at certain areas of the community).

Neptune

By any chance, can you tell from your print screens, if the surveillance equipment had been hacked?

 

[Dwntwnslim]

IMHO, it is possible the doctor is the perp. However, IMHO it is unlikely. Here is why I don't think or feel that he is the perp, IMO:

Watching both 48 Hour Mystery shows about the murders of the women it appeared to me that the doctor does not posses the fitness level required to pull off these crimes (although, I'm hardly an expert). IMHO, the man practically needs a Sherpa and respiratory equipment to navigate in and around his house and is barely physically fit enough to wield a plastic spork (this is independent of him having a prosthesis). Of course he could be faking but, in my non-expert opinion, he isn't. He looked to me like he was really struggling.

The other concern I have about the doctor being the perp is the issue of time. Where would he find the time perpetrate these crimes? Being a doctor is a 24/7 job, IMO. My employment history includes working with and for physicians in a hospital setting. I'm not claiming to be an expert because I'm not. From what I observed, some of the responsibilities of the doctors I worked with included but were not limited to: Paperwork. Lots and lots of paperwork. Enough paperwork to keep them busy 24/7 well into the afterlife. Paperwork for the DEA, Medicare/Medicaid, insurance companies (who all had their own forms of varying length) charting and hospital specific paperwork (most if not all of this paperwork had deadlines); attempting to contact insurance companies and attempting to obtain permission from said insurance companies for various treatment(s); performing rounds and attending grand rounds; consulting with other doctors and health-care workers and playing “phone tag” with doctors and health-care workers in order to schedule said consultations; attending patient treatment conferences; attending conferences and preparing for said conferences if they were speakers; attending continuing education classes; and, if they had supervisory responsibilities, that added a whole other layer of work. This list could go on and on.

In short, being a doctor, from what I observed, is a 24/7 job. It appears these murders were well planned, IMHO (LE has said this too). Where would the doctor find the time to plan let alone perpetrate these crimes? He's got a massive list of job responsibilities in addition to family duties and commitments. Also, from the information currently available, the crimes appear to have been committed around holidays. IMHO, it would have been unlikely for the doctor to obtain vacation time during those dates as hospitals tend to be the most busy at and around holidays and like to be fully staffed.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of the doctor being the perp. I think he's too old in addition to my reasons stated above (IMHO the perp is in his thirties).

Thanks for reading my 2 cents worth!



Please note: I do accept that even though I feel it is unlikely that the perp is the doctor, it is not impossible.

 

[Seaslug44]

IMHO, it is possible the doctor is the perp. However, IMHO it is unlikely. Here is why I don't think or feel that he is the perp, IMO:

Watching both 48 Hour Mystery shows about the murders of the women it appeared to me that the doctor does not posses the fitness level required to pull off these crimes (although, I'm hardly an expert). IMHO, the man practically needs a Sherpa and respiratory equipment to navigate in and around his house and is barely physically fit enough to wield a plastic spork (this is independent of him having a prosthesis). Of course he could be faking but, in my non-expert opinion, he isn't. He looked to me like he was really struggling.

The other concern I have about the doctor being the perp is the issue of time. Where would he find the time perpetrate these crimes? Being a doctor is a 24/7 job, IMO. My employment history includes working with and for physicians in a hospital setting. I'm not claiming to be an expert because I'm not. From what I observed, some of the responsibilities of the doctors I worked with included but were not limited to: Paperwork. Lots and lots of paperwork. Enough paperwork to keep them busy 24/7 well into the afterlife. Paperwork for the DEA, Medicare/Medicaid, insurance companies (who all had their own forms of varying length) charting and hospital specific paperwork (most if not all of this paperwork had deadlines); attempting to contact insurance companies and attempting to obtain permission from said insurance companies for various treatment(s); performing rounds and attending grand rounds; consulting with other doctors and health-care workers and playing “phone tag” with doctors and health-care workers in order to schedule said consultations; attending patient treatment conferences; attending conferences and preparing for said conferences if they were speakers; attending continuing education classes; and, if they had supervisory responsibilities, that added a whole other layer of work. This list could go on and on.

In short, being a doctor, from what I observed, is a 24/7 job. It appears these murders were well planned, IMHO (LE has said this too). Where would the doctor find the time to plan let alone perpetrate these crimes? He's got a massive list of job responsibilities in addition to family duties and commitments. Also, from the information currently available, the crimes appear to have been committed around holidays. IMHO, it would have been unlikely for the doctor to obtain vacation time during those dates as hospitals tend to be the most busy at and around holidays and like to be fully staffed.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of the doctor being the perp. I think he's too old in addition to my reasons stated above (IMHO the perp is in his thirties).

Thanks for reading my 2 cents worth!



Please note: I do accept that even though I feel it is unlikely that the perp is the doctor, it is not impossible.

Hi. Not sure if you know this, but the reason why many people think he did have the time is because is an unemployed Osteopathic Doctor.

He might still hold a license but there is no evidence that he has an actual practice. He no longer lists an affiliation with any hospital and he does not appear to work for any agency or organization. The address listed for his "family practice" is not even a real address because it doesn't contain an actual street (4427 Oak Beach Association Oak Beach, NY 11702). That address is basically just a mailbox and no actual building.

It's been posted before that CPH's last job was most likely surgeon for Suffolk County police department. However, in New York there is a website (seeThroughNY.net) that allows the public to search for the salaries (current & past) as well as the pensions for anyone who as ever worked for a town, City, the State, a school district, etc... (basically any municipality). And for some reason CPH's name is completely missing from the database.

It's as if he was never actually employed by Suffolk County.

 

[Neptune]

Hi. Not sure if you know this, but the reason why many people think he did have the time is because is an unemployed Osteopathic Doctor.

He might still hold a license but there is no evidence that he has an actual practice. He no longer lists an affiliation with any hospital and he does not appear to work for any agency or organization. The address listed for his "family practice" is not even a real address because it doesn't contain an actual street (4427 Oak Beach Association Oak Beach, NY 11702). That address is basically just a mailbox and no actual building.

It's been posted before that CPH's last job was most likely surgeon for Suffolk County police department. However, in New York there is a website (seeThroughNY.net) that allows the public to search for the salaries (current & past) as well as the pensions for anyone who as ever worked for a town, City, the State, a school district, etc... (basically any municipality). And for some reason CPH's name is completely missing from the database.

It's as if he was never actually employed by Suffolk County.

Dr. Charles Peter Hackett is licensed as a physician in the State of New York:
http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=60&plicno=163238&namechk=HAC
The entry does not show if he is in good standing or history of disciplinary actions (if any).

Though the 4427 OIBA is not a physical location, it’s also not a PO Box – which is not acceptable as an official address asked for by the government. I’ve researched quite a few of the businesses and professional licenses registered in Oak Beach. The 44xx OIBA address seems to satisfy the State – there is enough info about proximity in the address, he can be found if needed. Whereas with a POB that is not the case. As for using it as a business address – it is common to use a home address as a business address for someone who, for example, has had to exit the workforce due to a disability. If this person can still periodically take on contract work or assignments through an agency (there are many in the healthcare industry), the State encourages this. It doesn’t mean he is practicing medicine out of his home, it simply means this is where he does his record-keeping and where the books are located. Where they can find him, if they want to tax him. A licensed plumber can’t list all of the homes he goes to as his place of business – if his own home is where he keeps his books, this is the address he gives the State.

Also he may never have been directly employed by the government. The government – city, county, state, federal — has all kinds of GSA contracts with third-party service providers. Sometimes these service providers (for example, a company that provides surgical services to government workers) only work with the government as their client, as this is their specialty or niche market. So it almost seems as though they are government but, in fact, they are a private company with private books – not open for public scrutiny. It would mean Hackett’s name won’t appear on any gov’t payroll database. But, somewhere in the government d/b there will be a GSA contract with the company he worked for. I don’t know if this is true of Hackett, but it is a realistic possibility.

I worked with media for many years: journalists are known for conveniently summarizing info. At some point, some journalist may have asked Hackett – so, you’re a doctor, what area of practice, who do you work for? And Hackett may have said “I do this but I also do that and most recently I worked for ABC company where we routinely worked with Suffolk County law enforcement and I did surgery on police officers who had been hurt in the line of duty.”

And for that journalist – who has only so many column inches to work with – that response translated to “Suffolk County police surgeon”. So that’s all we get. I’m just suggesting that possibility too.

Neptune

 

[Neptune]

Questions

Could the perp have access to voice manipulation software and can, in real time, change the sound and rhythm of his voice over the phone? Has he been recording the voices of people he comes into contact with to use in this endeavor?

Does he know how to do things with mobile phones and landlines?

Does he know about caller ID spoofing?

Does he know how to remotely tamper with and reprogram phones?

Does he know how to physically hack into landlines?

Does he have phone cloning software?

Can whatever he does with these phones reflect on phone bills?

Is he a capable and prolific computer hacker?

Has he tried to hack into LE computer systems? Has he succeeded?

Is he some sort of digital voyeur/stalker/peeping tom?

Has he been digitally and physically spying on members of his community for years without them know about it?

I’ve read through your posts – your questions are very important.

Also for Maureen and Melissa (and possibly undiscovered others) he may have used a Faraday bag.

http://faraday-bags.com/index.php/usage.html

Neptune

 

[Neptune]

By any chance, can you tell from your print screens, if the surveillance equipment had been hacked?

No I couldn't tell, sorry!

Neptune

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I’ve read through your posts – your questions are very important.

Also for Maureen and Melissa (and possibly undiscovered others) he may have used a Faraday bag.

http://faraday-bags.com/index.php/usage.html

Neptune

Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard about the Faraday bag possibility before. Very intriguing.

I found the information contained in this Gawker article helpful. It's about internet security and computer hacking/cracking. Hopefully, LE knows all about this stuff!!
http://gawker.com/5861023/anonymous-leaks-another-computer-experts-personal-emails

 

[Sillybilly]

... Hopefully, LE knows all about this stuff!!

<rsbm>

I'm sure they have a computer crimes division that is very adept, DTS.

I read another post on this forum this morning which contained a quote about the resources that had been brought in on this case. IIRC, it included IT/computer personnel. I'll try to find it ... think it was in the "why this case will go cold" thread.

ETA: Here it is:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7464047&postcount=21"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Why This Case Will Soon Go Cold Again...[/ame]

 

[truthspider]

Dr. Charles Peter Hackett is licensed as a physician in the State of New York:
http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=60&plicno=163238&namechk=HAC
The entry does not show if he is in good standing or history of disciplinary actions (if any).

Though the 4427 OIBA is not a physical location, it’s also not a PO Box – which is not acceptable as an official address asked for by the government. I’ve researched quite a few of the businesses and professional licenses registered in Oak Beach. The 44xx OIBA address seems to satisfy the State – there is enough info about proximity in the address, he can be found if needed. Whereas with a POB that is not the case. As for using it as a business address – it is common to use a home address as a business address for someone who, for example, has had to exit the workforce due to a disability. If this person can still periodically take on contract work or assignments through an agency (there are many in the healthcare industry), the State encourages this. It doesn’t mean he is practicing medicine out of his home, it simply means this is where he does his record-keeping and where the books are located. Where they can find him, if they want to tax him. A licensed plumber can’t list all of the homes he goes to as his place of business – if his own home is where he keeps his books, this is the address he gives the State.

Also he may never have been directly employed by the government. The government – city, county, state, federal — has all kinds of GSA contracts with third-party service providers. Sometimes these service providers (for example, a company that provides surgical services to government workers) only work with the government as their client, as this is their specialty or niche market. So it almost seems as though they are government but, in fact, they are a private company with private books – not open for public scrutiny. It would mean Hackett’s name won’t appear on any gov’t payroll database. But, somewhere in the government d/b there will be a GSA contract with the company he worked for. I don’t know if this is true of Hackett, but it is a realistic possibility.

I worked with media for many years: journalists are known for conveniently summarizing info. At some point, some journalist may have asked Hackett – so, you’re a doctor, what area of practice, who do you work for? And Hackett may have said “I do this but I also do that and most recently I worked for ABC company where we routinely worked with Suffolk County law enforcement and I did surgery on police officers who had been hurt in the line of duty.”

And for that journalist – who has only so many column inches to work with – that response translated to “Suffolk County police surgeon”. So that’s all we get. I’m just suggesting that possibility too.

Neptune

in short, No. it isn't horse hash, he was the SCPD police surgeon from 95 - 97 its documented. Im certain the SCPD wishes he never was. they hired someone with pending litigation....oops.

 

[Seaslug44]

In Detroit now:

Detroit Police: Killer may be targeting online escorts

It sounds like there are actually many more missing there too!

We have women missing. Lots of women missing...

"It's just too many young women coming up missing and dead," Gordon said. "They're human beings just like everybody else. No one deserves to be taken or killed regardless of what they do."

If you have any information, call Detroit Police.

Source

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I&#8217;ve read through your posts &#8211; your questions are very important.

Also for Maureen and Melissa (and possibly undiscovered others) he may have used a Faraday bag.

http://faraday-bags.com/index.php/usage.html

Neptune

Your post about the Faraday bags got me wondering. Is it possible the perp has a Faraday cage in his house (like Gene Hackman had in Enemy of the State)? Is it possible that the perp has turned a vehicle into a Faraday cage? If he did, it would have to be a van, truck or large SUV? Most likely windowless? Would that leave a van as the most likely candidate for a mobile Faraday cage?

I'm thinking such an endeavor would be pretty pricey? Maybe the perp is a trust fund baby? Or, maybe the perp has a legit tech/IT/computer business and has written off the cost at tax time?

I have heard (but don't know this for sure) that windowless vans are the vehicles of choice for nefarious people doing nefarious things, Faraday cage or not.

 

[Neptune]

in short, No. it isn't horse hash, he was the SCPD police surgeon from 95 - 97 its documented. Im certain the SCPD wishes he never was. they hired someone with pending litigation....oops.

Truthspider,
Do you know of any legal docs on the pending litigation that may be accessible through PACER? Can you disclose the gist of it? So 2 years as police surgeon employed by the county -- but 14 years ago? What since?

I'm all for vetting out substantiated info and showing how this or that person could be involved based on their history. I have a harder time accepting anecdotal evidence or to believe that something is automatically suspicious if it's unclear or unknown. I prefer to put my effort into what's not reasonably explainable.

The OIBA address Hackett is using as a licensed physician is explainable.

His current employment/non-employment, though ambiguous, still may be explainable (his wife works - so there is documented income in that household and he may not work).

Not explainable is this:
If you account for Mari Gilbert's claim that Hackett called her on Sunday, May 2 (the day after Shannan disappeared but before it was known to her family that she was missing) with the infamous "I treated your daughter, she's okay" call and you also account for Hackett's documentation (a phone bill) that he called Mari on Thursday, May 6 and spoke for 4 minutes "offering his support" and another 4-minute call he believes was to Shannan's sister (presumably Sherre) on Sunday, May 9... that makes not 1 but 3 conversations between Hackett and the Gilberts. The last call was on Mother's Day at about noon. The same day Hackett says he "met" with the Gilberts when they were distributing Missing Persons posters.

Neither Mari nor Sherre have mentioned a second (May 6) and third call (May 9) from Hackett. But it appears he has that documentation - a phone bill, that if need be, could be verified by the phone company. Unless he just left 2 long-winded 4-minute messages on their voice mails and no conversation took place.

Hackett denies the first conversation on May 2. Since he's relying on his phone bill as proof of the dates (5/6 & 5/9) he claimed he did speak with Mari and Sherre, it would be pretty stupid to use that as evidence if it shows a call to Mari on May 2 too. Unless he's bluffing about the phone bill and hopes no one will subpoena it.

Questions:
1. Does Mari have Caller ID and did she write down his phone number on May 2nd? Did she jot down notes about the strange call? Did she immediately try calling Shannan after Hackett's bizarre claim to say "Hey, I got this weird call about you from some rehab doctor... are you okay?" and find that Shannan's phone went straight to voice mail for days?
2. If Hackett spoke with "the sister" for 4 minutes on May 9th, did the conversation include her saying "well, I'm headed to Oak Beach now to distribute Missing Persons posters maybe I'll stop by"? Or did he speak with her and this was not mentioned and then later that day the Gilberts knock on his door during the Hackett's Mother's Day celebration?
3. In his June 28, 2011 letter to 48 hours Hackett claimed he met Mari ("Mrs") Gilbert on that May 9, 2010 Mother's Day. But, in Jim Jones' blog entry, the time is August (not sure if 2010 or 2011 -- but nonetheless it's months after Hackett said he met Mari) and it appears from Jones' account that Mari and Hackett were meeting for the first time.

Neptune

Sources:
1. Jim Jones' Blog Fieldnotes to an inquiry; The Doctor and the Doctor's Wife; 10-05-2011
2. Letters from Hackett to 48 Hours

 

[snapdragon2]

Truthspider,
Do you know of any legal docs on the pending litigation that may be accessible through PACER? Can you disclose the gist of it? So 2 years as police surgeon employed by the county -- but 14 years ago? What since?

I'm all for vetting out substantiated info and showing how this or that person could be involved based on their history. I have a harder time accepting anecdotal evidence or to believe that something is automatically suspicious if it's unclear or unknown. I prefer to put my effort into what's not reasonably explainable.

The OIBA address Hackett is using as a licensed physician is explainable.

His current employment/non-employment, though ambiguous, still may be explainable (his wife works - so there is documented income in that household and he may not work).

Not explainable is this:
If you account for Mari Gilbert's claim that Hackett called her on Sunday, May 2 (the day after Shannan disappeared but before it was known to her family that she was missing) with the infamous "I treated your daughter, she's okay" call and you also account for Hackett's documentation (a phone bill) that he called Mari on Thursday, May 6 and spoke for 4 minutes "offering his support" and another 4-minute call he believes was to Shannan's sister (presumably Sherre) on Sunday, May 9... that makes not 1 but 3 conversations between Hackett and the Gilberts. The last call was on Mother's Day at about noon. The same day Hackett says he "met" with the Gilberts when they were distributing Missing Persons posters.

Neither Mari nor Sherre have mentioned a second (May 6) and third call (May 9) from Hackett. But it appears he has that documentation - a phone bill, that if need be, could be verified by the phone company. Unless he just left 2 long-winded 4-minute messages on their voice mails and no conversation took place.

Hackett denies the first conversation on May 2. Since he's relying on his phone bill as proof of the dates (5/6 & 5/9) he claimed he did speak with Mari and Sherre, it would be pretty stupid to use that as evidence if it shows a call to Mari on May 2 too. Unless he's bluffing about the phone bill and hopes no one will subpoena it.

Questions:
1. Does Mari have Caller ID and did she write down his phone number on May 2nd? Did she jot down notes about the strange call? Did she immediately try calling Shannan after Hackett's bizarre claim to say "Hey, I got this weird call about you from some rehab doctor... are you okay?" and find that Shannan's phone went straight to voice mail for days?
2. If Hackett spoke with "the sister" for 4 minutes on May 9th, did the conversation include her saying "well, I'm headed to Oak Beach now to distribute Missing Persons posters maybe I'll stop by"? Or did he speak with her and this was not mentioned and then later that day the Gilberts knock on his door during the Hackett's Mother's Day celebration?
3. In his June 28, 2011 letter to 48 hours Hackett claimed he met Mari ("Mrs") Gilbert on that May 9, 2010 Mother's Day. But, in Jim Jones' blog entry, the time is August (not sure if 2010 or 2011 -- but nonetheless it's months after Hackett said he met Mari) and it appears from Jones' account that Mari and Hackett were meeting for the first time.

Neptune

Sources:
1. Jim Jones' Blog Fieldnotes to an inquiry; The Doctor and the Doctor's Wife; 10-05-2011
2. Letters from Hackett to 48 Hours

Hi Neptune,

Where is it documented that Mari said the first phone call was on Sunday, May 2? I'm interested in seeing that.

One of the first times anyone heard anything about these phone calls was in a radio interview Sherre did in which she said she thought he called them the day after they filed a missing person's report (I know they tried initially to file one on Long Island and were told they had to do it in NJ, so I'm not sure what date that would be.) But that would seem to be more in keeping with the second date you mention, the one the doctor has documented.

Is there in fact any documentation (I mean, in the media) that he called before that? Sherre didn't indicate that in the radio interview. I'm wondering if that's a rumour that has turned into "fact." Where did this originate?

Here's the link to the radio interview:

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

Sherre was with her mother when he made this phone call, and corroborates what was said. She and her sister went to Oak Beach after that and talked to him then and asked him about what he had said.

approx. 26 minutes in

 

[Clem Snide]

Thanks for the radio link, Snapdragon. The phone call the doc made just totally thrusts him into the spotlight. Was he drunk? But what doesn't make sense to me is his how he and Shannon could have met. By chance as she was running through the streets? Did she come to his door? Was he at JBs?

Shannon's sister says Shannon seemed drugged and difficult for the 911 operator to understand. If so, I don't think it's coke. If she was coked up she would have sounded manic, but not necessarily drugged, right?

I've worked in psychiatric settings and seen many manic people and many coked up people and plenty of people who were coked up and manic at the same time. In some cases they were in a state of psychosis and were incoherent, but I could always understand the words they were saying. My point is, it's important to know if the operator thought she was speaking nonsensically or slurring her words in some way.

Would love for somebody to solve this case!

I have heard (but don't know this for sure) that windowless vans are the vehicles of choice for nefarious people doing nefarious things, Faraday cage or not.

Whenever I see a van without windows I either immediately think "rape van" or "FBI surveillance vehicle". But I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons to own a vehicle like that. Hey, the mystery machine from scooby doo didn't have windows, and they solved crimes.

 

[scandi]

Hi Neptune,

Where is it documented that Mari said the first phone call was on Sunday, May 2? I'm interested in seeing that.

One of the first times anyone heard anything about these phone calls was in a radio interview Sherre did in which she said she thought he called them the day after they filed a missing person's report (I know they tried initially to file one on Long Island and were told they had to do it in NJ, so I'm not sure what date that would be.) But that would seem to be more in keeping with the second date you mention, the one the doctor has documented.

Is there in fact any documentation (I mean, in the media) that he called before that? Sherre didn't indicate that in the radio interview. I'm wondering if that's a rumour that has turned into "fact." Where did this originate?

Here's the link to the radio interview:

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

Sherre was with her mother when he made this phone call, and corroborates what was said. She and her sister went to Oak Beach after that and talked to him then and asked him about what he had said.

approx. 26 minutes in

Thanks Snapdragon, I was just going to retrieve that from my favorites, lol. I'll re-read it, but thought she or Sherre said he called them before the Missing Report was either made or made public. That was why it caught everyone's eye, how he knew she was missing at that point.


Neptune stated how I remember it, " . . (the day after Shannan disappeared but before it was known to her family that she was missing)" in his/her post above.

On the site where Sherre posted right away in the case, she also said there were things LE had asked them not to discuss. Maybe that is why, as you said Neptune, "Neither Mari nor Sherre have mentioned a second (May 6) and third call (May 9) from Hackett". Maybe LE asked them to keep info about those 2 calls quiet. Just sayin'.

 

[Sillybilly]

Where is it documented that Mari said the first phone call was on Sunday, May 2? I'm interested in seeing that.

from:
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/index5.html

The day after Shannan went missing, Mari says, she received a phone call from a man claiming to be Hackett. The man said he ran a home for wayward girls where Shannan had been staying and was calling because she had left unexpectedly. He asked Mari if she knew where Shannan was. It was the first time Mari had heard Shannan was missing.

 

[ItalinBella27]

Looks like they are having a similar problem with escorts in Detroit. Also, those who list on Backpage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...d10|htmlws-main-bb|dl12|sec3_lnk3&pLid=123356

 

[goathairjones]

Does anyone know what happened between Mari Gilbert and Jim Jones? They used to be pretty close and then all of a sudden Mari didn't want to be associated with him anymore. But I am not sure what happened to cause this. Anyone know what happened between the two of them?