NY - Officer Daniel Pantaleo used deadly chokehold on Eric Garner, Staten Island, July 2014

[Gardenlady]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

I take back partially what I said before now that I have thought about it. I Think demonstrations sometimes are needed to get a POV across. It is the destruction I have a problem with.

For example, in NYC, the protestors marched somewhat peacefully, but then began throwing trash in the streets. What purpose did that serve other than to make the cops clean it up? Granted, This is minor. When I saw the pics of a bunch of Upper East Side kids participating in a "die in" in Macy's Herald Square, I don't think their message was taken seriously, and was thought to be more of a nuisance.

Seriously, I am not sure what message the protestors are trying to send. I am a little confused on that part. What exactly are they protesting about? The GJ decision or something deeper? TIA

Sometimes people need to be inconvenienced to be woken up. No, it's not always pleasant.

Is argue that it's much more unpleasant and inconvenient to be treated unjustly and unequally by officers of the law than it is I be possibly re-routed or stuck in traffic for a while.


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[Zuri]

I have searched and can not find that nyc police are required to perform cpr.

Are cops trained in Basic Life Support? I have no clue if they are in other parts of the country. They are where I live and the senior officer on duty carries an AED.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think a lot of focus is put on criticizing LE responses but when we apply critical thinking strategies....what is the responsibility of citizens? They are part of the equation too!
How is a responsible citizen suppose to react?
I am really & sincerely questioning if a citizen has a responsibility in the reaction?

If so, what is it?

NYC has the Good Samaritan law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law
The details of good Samaritan laws/acts vary by jurisdiction, including who is protected from liability and under what circumstances.[24] Not all jurisdictions provide protection to laypersons, instead protecting only trained personnel, such as doctors or nurses and perhaps also emergency services personnel such as trained police, fire and EMS workers.[25]

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$PBH3000-A$$@TXPBH03000-A+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=43814802+&TARGET=VIEW

§ 3000-a. Emergency medical treatment.

 

[Elley Mae]

Are cops trained in Basic Life Support? I have no clue if they are in other parts of the country. They are where I live and the senior officer on duty carries an AED.

It seems to differ from state to state and even jurisdictions.

 

[jmcgladr]

BBM

I am not sure this is true. The shop owners that sell cigarettes were the ones calling to complain about people loitering outside to sell loosies. <modsnip>So you would be arrested as well, if you were ILLEGALLY selling untaxed cigs. JMO

You kind of missed my point. I meant that I would not be arrested for this where I live. It's rare I even see police presence where I live. If I do see police, it's a pleasant interaction. My point is "broken windows" policing focuses on certain people and certain neighborhoods almost exclusively.

 

[Elley Mae]

Police

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police

IDK maybe it's me but I have never looked at or thought of the police as medical personnel.

 

[Archangel7]

So, Stop and Frisk is just a free-for-all? At what point is a person under arrest? JMO

I'm not a fan of NYPD S&F. It is used in Toronto for the same reason to gather intel. Here in Bantario, Canukistan ANY and All police contact go on e file without ANY due process. So I'm against it here in Canada and NYC.

Now the "Terry Stop" as laid out by the US Supreme Court is different and is enough for a balance of rights and laws concerning police/public interactions.
There is no free for all unless you initiate it. Even then there are parameters that determine appropriate physical response by police.

Arrest......http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/arrest

A seizure or forcible restraint; an exercise of the power to deprive a person of his or her liberty; the taking or keeping of a person in custody by legal authority, especially, in response to a criminal charge.

The purpose of an arrest is to bring the arrestee before a court or otherwise secure the administration of the law. An arrest serves the function of notifying the community that an individual has been accused of a crime and also may admonish and deter the arrested individual from committing other crimes. Arrests can be made on both criminal charges and civil charges, although civil arrest is a drastic measure that is not looked upon with favor by the courts. The federal Constitution imposes limits on both civil and criminal arrests.

An arrest may occur (1) by the touching or putting hands on the arrestee; (2) by any act that indicates an intention to take the arrestee into custody and that subjects the arrestee to the actual control and will of the person making the arrest; or (3) by the consent of the person to be arrested. There is no arrest where there is no restraint, and the restraint must be under real or pretended legal authority. However, the detention of a person need not be accompanied by formal words of arrest or a station house booking to constitute an arrest.

 

[prayers4missing]

Sometimes people need to be inconvenienced to be woken up. No, it's not always pleasant.

Is argue that it's much more unpleasant and inconvenient to be treated unjustly and unequally by officers of the law than it is I be possibly re-routed or stuck in traffic for a while.


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It's more than an inconvenience though when you are protesting half a mile from hospitals and not letting people through. From the protests here in MO I will never forget the fear and anguish of a mother begging the protestors to let her through so she could take her sick child to the hospital. They laughed at her and refused to let her through. It took LE help.

I'm all for protesting but surrounding innocent civilians cars and threatening them is way more than an inconvenience. Moo


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[Zuri]

Sometimes people need to be inconvenienced to be woken up. No, it's not always pleasant.

Is argue that it's much more unpleasant and inconvenient to be treated unjustly and unequally by officers of the law than it is I be possibly re-routed or stuck in traffic for a while.


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I just realized from your post where the disconnect may lie. For those of us who cannot specifically relate, the protests serve no purpose in my mind. I think herein lies the problem. As a citizen, I can only be responsible for my own actions and I am pretty far removed from what the protests may be about. It gets my attention, but how do I help fix the problem?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

You kind of missed my point. I meant that I would not be arrested for this where I live. It's rare I even see police presence where I live. If I do see police, it's a pleasant interaction. My point is "broken windows" policing focuses on certain people and certain neighborhoods almost exclusively.

Certain neighborhoods.....well we have to wonder if it's because that neighborhood really has more criminals or if LE is better manned as a force there or if their policy is to be aggressive.

I really don't know & I keep saying we need more research. Real, extensive research.

Otherwise many may jump to convenient assumptions.

Moo

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

JMO, OT, and taxes notwithstanding, I think that selling a carton of cigarettes does a lot more harm than selling a single cigarette.

How many loose cigarettes makes a carton?

Never mind.

 

[Zuri]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

http://nypost.com/2014/08/24/how-the-broken-windows-strategy-saved-lives-in-nyc/

I had never heard the term before. I always learn something new here.

 

[1000Sparks]

I hear the cops are even afraid to go to East St. Louis....tell you anything?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

NYC has the Good Samaritan law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law
The details of good Samaritan laws/acts vary by jurisdiction, including who is protected from liability and under what circumstances.[24] Not all jurisdictions provide protection to laypersons, instead protecting only trained personnel, such as doctors or nurses and perhaps also emergency services personnel such as trained police, fire and EMS workers.[25]

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$PBH3000-A$$@TXPBH03000-A+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=43814802+&TARGET=VIEW

§ 3000-a. Emergency medical treatment.

Thank you for posting that but my question about what are citizen's responsibilities was not about life-saving situations. I should've been more specific.

It's this: if LE has a code of duty & responsibilities, then what is the "rules" of citizens in their daily actions?
Maybe they don't have any?

Maybe it depends....
I don't know.

 

[jmcgladr]

I think because the victim was still breathing. You don't give CPR in that case.

I think it's debatable that the victim was still breathing. I think that's the "official story" but I think he seemed totally lifeless in that second video after he coughed that last time. And if someone is breathing shallowly, you can still give CPR. Even if he WAS just unconscious but had suffered a heart attack, it's recommended to do chest compressions without the rescue breathing. http://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-cpr/basics/art-20056600 In any case, doing something is preferable to doing nothing.

 

[Archangel7]

You kind of missed my point. I meant that I would not be arrested for this where I live. It's rare I even see police presence where I live. If I do see police, it's a pleasant interaction. My point is "broken windows" policing focuses on certain people and certain neighborhoods almost exclusively.

Those home owners deserve every right you have in your nice neighborhood. Plus, gosh, cops go where the crime is and if you look at the FBI Uniform Crime Report it paints an excellent picture of where crime is committed and by whom.

Since we're on that subject and all about experiences growing up, morals and values, why police focus on areas simply look at juvenile crime for 2008 and see what is happening to the youth(juvenile). Guess what, they grow up to be the EGs we have to deal with as adults.

Police forces are not in existence to make people miserable, the're there to provide overarching protection to society. As such, they spend tax dollars where the crimes are in an attempt to eradicate them and make the neghborhood a nice one like yours.

 

[cady]

how many loose cigarettes makes a carton?

Never mind.

200. Lol

 

[jmcgladr]

Are you talking about the short video of the beginning of his arrest?

No, I'm talking about the longer video.

 

[SCHMAE]

I think a lot of focus is put on criticizing LE responses but when we apply critical thinking strategies....what is the responsibility of citizens? They are part of the equation too!
How is a responsible citizen suppose to react?
I am really & sincerely questioning if a citizen has a responsibility in the reaction?

If so, what is it?

Do you mean an onlooking citizen watching this happen in front of them? Or do you mean ' society as a whole'? I don't know what would happen if another bystander attempted to intervene and check on Garner. Is that what you mean ?

 

[jmcgladr]

Those home owners deserve every right you have in your nice neighborhood. Plus, gosh, cops go where the crime is and if you look at the FBI Uniform Crime Report it paints an excellent picture of where crime is committed and by whom.

Since we're on that subject and all about experiences growing up, morals and values, why police focus on areas simply look at juvenile crime for 2008 and see what is happening to the youth(juvenile). Guess what, they grow up to be the EGs we have to deal with as adults.

Police forces are not in existence to make people miserable, the're there to provide overarching protection to society. As such, they spend tax dollars where the crimes are in an attempt to eradicate them and make the neghborhood a nice one like yours.

Why can't police treat people in the "bad neighborhoods" with the same courtesy and respect and lack of suspicion that they do here in my neighborhood? That is an issue. IMO