NY NY - Patrick Alford, 7, Brooklyn, 22 Jan 2010 - #2

[Mendara]

This boy is so adorable. I live in NYC and I know this complex well it - is large - overwhleming and the area around it is terrible. I fear he may have walked away but ran into evil before he even had a chance. IMO

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Thanks for joining us on Patrick's thread, Mendara. I have the same feelings you do.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

From Patrick's last visit with his mother. Obviously sad to see her go.

http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-pix-investigates-missing-boy,0,5547988.story

 

[belleyes]

Was the bio-mom ever charged for taking the pornographic pictures ?

Not yet!!!!
(sorry this took forever, I havent been on since this post)
It has been 5 years and everytime we question the FBI, and local LE everyone is vague. I was told that she probably copped a plea deal with Feds in exchange for her testimony (she was writing love letters to perp in jail yet she was preped to take the stand against him ----sounds like a deal to me) We were also told that as soon as more info comes out from my children ( in therapy) they (local LE) will bust her, but they do not want to waist charges on a misdemeanor, they want felony charges so she can sit in jail a long time with her perp ex-bf who's 3yrs into a 25yr federal sentence. It is my personal goal to see that my children get justice for what they have survived.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I saw a story run on HLN this morning about a little 2-year-old child in Miami (?) that got on a city bus all alone. It took "a while" for anyone to say anything. The little guy just hopped on and rode around the city.

If Patrick did make it to get on a bus, I'm not entirely sure that someone would have said something right away. Even at night. JMO.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._missing_staten_island_8HcO8aNMFMzh3S5VrPY1LK

By DOUG AUER
Last Updated: 1:32 PM, December 14, 2010
Posted: 1:23 PM, December 14, 2010

A Staten Island mother whose young son disappeared earlier this year and has yet to be found has been arrested for threatening a friend with a kitchen knife, authorities said.

 

[ruthieroo]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/14/2010-12-14_jennifer_rodriguez_mom_of_missing_boy_patrick_alford_arrested_for_pulling_knife_.html

Missing boy's mom arrested for pulling a knife on her boyfriend...

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Awww come on Jennifer. You're making it really hard for me to stick up for you.


Mother of missing Staten Island boy arrested for knife threat

A Staten Island mother whose young son disappeared earlier this year and has yet to be found has been arrested for threatening a friend with a kitchen knife, authorities said.

“You’re not getting you’re f---ing money back,” an enraged Jennifer Rodriguez shouted at the victim when he showed up at her New Brighton house yesterday at 7:55 p.m. looking for his lost wallet, according to court papers.

Rodriquez, 23, then menacingly waved the blade at the man, who had slept over the night before, sources said. It’s unknown if the two are romantically involved, sources added.

The woman told cops she only grabbed the knife because she was afraid, sources said.

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Rodriguez's arraignment was delayed because she was taken to Richmond University Medical Center with an undisclosed ailment, according to the DA's spokesman. She was later transferred to Emhurst Medical Center in Queens.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...n_island_8HcO8aNMFMzh3S5VrPY1LK#ixzz189iQHtTA​

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[webrocket]

Awww come on Jennifer. You're making it really hard for me to stick up for you.

and if I recall she had another run in arguing with another woman over a man a few short months after Patrick disappeared.

I suppose if she does time for this, it will be Child Service's fault if her daughter gets placed in foster care?

 

[peeples]

and if I recall she had another run in arguing with another woman over a man a few short months after Patrick disappeared.

I suppose if she does time for this, it will be Child Service's fault if her daughter gets placed in foster care?

NO that would be the mother's fault UNLESS she has willing relatives step forward and the kid is placed in foster care anyway. However if her little girl goes missing while taking out the trash at the foster home, then yep, That is CPS's fault as well as the foster parents.

 

[webrocket]

my more basic point has been that the bio mom has made a series of poor life choices over the years which apparently continue to this day. these decisions get state and city officials involved with her children and anything can happen.

I'm not excusing anything child services may have done with Patrick but bio mom's suit is not by any means a slam dunk. this continued behavior on her part (in my view) only bolster's the state's original decision to put the kids in foster care.

as for family members taking in her child or children, who knows how fit they are? child service records are ordinarily sealed and not publicly available. who knows if there are past or present files for the people bio mom wanted to entrust her children to?

 

[Mendara]

My heart breaks for this little baby. I have two boys of my own and mommy is everything to them. I can't imagine being so messed up that my babies have to suffer and be placed in a foster home and then go missing in a dangerous neighborhood, alone and cold.

I look at little faces in hopes of seeing him around the neighborhood. Just because you are poor and live in apoor area does not mean you are a bad mother. I have seen mothers in these areas love their children and give them a stable home.

You are a bad mother because you DON'T try and she never tried and is still not. MO

 

[Fyrecat]

my more basic point has been that the bio mom has made a series of poor life choices over the years which apparently continue to this day. these decisions get state and city officials involved with her children and anything can happen.

I'm not excusing anything child services may have done with Patrick but bio mom's suit is not by any means a slam dunk. this continued behavior on her part (in my view) only bolster's the state's original decision to put the kids in foster care.

as for family members taking in her child or children, who knows how fit they are? child service records are ordinarily sealed and not publicly available. who knows if there are past or present files for the people bio mom wanted to entrust her children to?

Sigh.

I work with folks like this every day. I feel sorry for the mom. She is a person who is living a life that is not one that's easy, or one most people know about.
Imagine waking up every day in an apartment surrounded by gunshots outside. Imagine you make sure you get home every day before dark, because that's when it really gets dangerous outside.

Imagine having to negotiate that with children. I have a mom who's instructed her kids to hit the floor when they hear loud noises in case 'something happens'.

I have worked with very poor folks, in some very sketchy areas of town. Most would love better. Most don't know how to get out of their lives. Some are effected by drug addiction. Some have other issues that keep them there, things its hard for us to understand unless we've been there.

That said, this mom sounds like she lives a life that is challenging, with not very many people to trust. Obviously, because of her missing child, and her speaking out about her feelings on it, she's now got attention on her for anything else that happens in her life. I hope that this little boy is found, and returns home to his mom. I'm sure she does the best she can, and hope that she has a better year ahead. I hope that Patrick turns up safe and sound somewhere.

I still wonder, though, if someone with connections to the family doesn't know 'something'.

 

[peeples]

I was a foster child growing up and I've adopted from the foster care system. A LOT of kids are better off left at home with family intervention services then placed in foster care.
Just try googling some statistics on the futures of foster kids... These ARE NOT exact numbers, but foster kids have a 4x greater chance of suffering from PTSD then war veterans, they stand a 60% great risk of being sexually abused than children left in their homes. 50% great chance of being physically abused then kids left with their parents.... they only have a 50/50 shot of even graduation high school, 20% or more end up teenage mothers...
I will not go into details of my own situation at this time, but for my mom smacking me once when I was a kid, I sure as heck paid the price and will continue to for the rest of my life, just for the state to be in the "right".

 

[JLMcKenna83]

How can Patrick's mother sue the building management company about the security system? IIRC, wasn't there video of Patrick leaving the building?

I live in an apartment building in Central NY and they aren't required to maintain any type of security system. I could understand the lawsuit if there was a law requiring them to maintain/have a security system, but I can't find one. And since the mother didn't live in the building, she can't sue for any kind of breach of a lease due to the security system.

I still think Patrick is near the building he disappeared from. Whether some pervert snatched him up or he simply got lost and succumbed to the elements. I also don't think anyone in his bio-family knows where he is. FWIW, I think they should go over the area with cadaver dogs. (I hate feeling/thinking this way but honestly, it's been almost a year, if Patrick is out there alive, it would be a statistical anomaly.)

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

and if I recall she had another run in arguing with another woman over a man a few short months after Patrick disappeared.

I suppose if she does time for this, it will be Child Service's fault if her daughter gets placed in foster care?

Her daughter is in the care of her father, so it's a moot point.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

How can Patrick's mother sue the building management company about the security system? IIRC, wasn't there video of Patrick leaving the building?

No. There was video of his foster mother searching for him (my guess would be from other surrounding businesses' cameras). But they never released if Patrick was seen on any video or not.

 

[webrocket]

How can Patrick's mother sue the building management company about the security system? IIRC, wasn't there video of Patrick leaving the building?

this was a point addressed earlier in the thread. as I recall her lawyers alleged that Starrett City negligently maintained its security system when Starrett City claims it has none. I don't know which version is correct, however, the bigger picture (in my view) is that bio mom is blaming everyone but herself for what transpired. I suppose it's only the usual course of business for her lawyers to do so (and I'm not trashing lawyers) but if this case ever goes to a jury, they will no doubt look at the entire sequence of events and who knows how much blame will be placed on her as opposed to child services.

 

[JLMcKenna83]

I thought there was video of her on the phone in the hallway of the building... (maybe thats the one we're both talking about?)... (I've also read several places that there are no cameras...)

But the only videos I'm finding after searching the net are just ones talking about Patrick's mother, and some of the early coverage. I cant even find the one you're talking about to see if we are speaking of the same one.


Well anyways... I think the lawsuit is complete carp. I'm not sure if the cameras from inside the building (working or not) would really be much help. (unless they showed someone scooping him up or someone disposing of him) I think it would be pretty gutsy to snatch a child in your own apt building & dispose of him there. From what I understand, the complex has it's own "police force" and there's always people milling about.

This is what I don't understand, why isn't she suing CPS & the foster mom? They were the one's responsible for Patrick's safety... (Of course, his mother was as well, and maybe if she would have thought about her decisions prior to Patrick being removed he'd be home, happy, and healthy tonight.)

(I'm not bashing her, I'm just saying maybe she should take a long hard look in the mirror before she blames anyone for what happened, because honestly, this was all avoidable.)

This is what I don't understand... Patrick's father says the foster mom's story doesn't sound right. ("Why would she take the child to the trash compactor when he was threatening to run away") That sounds right to me. If a child is threatening to run away you want to keep an eye on them. What I don't understand is why not just use the trash chute on your own floor instead of going down to the lobby?

And then, there was video of a boy with a woman on the Staten Island ferry who fit Patrick's description, yet the family insisted that it wasn't him. Wouldn't it be reasonable to say, that it was possibly him, just to get it looked into?? (Maybe LE could have had a press release asking the woman to contact police so they could verify that it wasn't Patrick??) Seems to be a pretty big coincidence that a child fitting Patrick's description is seen on the ferry that happens to go to where his mom lives.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I thought there was video of her on the phone in the hallway of the building... (maybe thats the one we're both talking about?)... (I've also read several places that there are no cameras...)

But the only videos I'm finding after searching the net are just ones talking about Patrick's mother, and some of the early coverage. I cant even find the one you're talking about to see if we are speaking of the same one.

AFAIK, they never showed the video. They just mentioned it in an article. I have to get to work, but I'll see if I can find it tonight.

Well anyways... I think the lawsuit is complete carp. I'm not sure if the cameras from inside the building (working or not) would really be much help. (unless they showed someone scooping him up or someone disposing of him) I think it would be pretty gutsy to snatch a child in your own apt building & dispose of him there. From what I understand, the complex has it's own "police force" and there's always people milling about.

That's what the apartment complex is saying. There's no proof that something happened to Patrick inside the building. So saying that they are negligent for his disappearance is pointless.

This is what I don't understand, why isn't she suing CPS & the foster mom? They were the one's responsible for Patrick's safety... (Of course, his mother was as well, and maybe if she would have thought about her decisions prior to Patrick being removed he'd be home, happy, and healthy tonight.)

(I'm not bashing her, I'm just saying maybe she should take a long hard look in the mirror before she blames anyone for what happened, because honestly, this was all avoidable.)

She's suing ACS and the foster mom, too. And the city.

This is what I don't understand... Patrick's father says the foster mom's story doesn't sound right. ("Why would she take the child to the trash compactor when he was threatening to run away") That sounds right to me. If a child is threatening to run away you want to keep an eye on them. What I don't understand is why not just use the trash chute on your own floor instead of going down to the lobby?

I really wish they would have further investigated the foster mother. I'm not saying she did anything to Patrick, but her story changed multiple times. She was, if nothing else, irresponsible in caring for Patrick.

And then, there was video of a boy with a woman on the Staten Island ferry who fit Patrick's description, yet the family insisted that it wasn't him. Wouldn't it be reasonable to say, that it was possibly him, just to get it looked into?? (Maybe LE could have had a press release asking the woman to contact police so they could verify that it wasn't Patrick??) Seems to be a pretty big coincidence that a child fitting Patrick's description is seen on the ferry that happens to go to where his mom lives.

Yeah!!! Nothing bothers me more than this video. This "sighting". I'm not on the "Jennifer did it" side of the fence, but if the family is hiding him, wouldn't that be a good reason to say, "Nope, not Patrick" in the video? Who is this woman?!?