NY NY - Portland, Woleben Rd, UncFem 15-30, UP85157, in shallow grave, dead for decades, Sep'21

[imstilla.grandma]

Human remains found in Chautauqua County undergoing FBI DNA analysis | News 4 Buffalo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

FBI Working On DNA Profile To Identify Portland Remains
https://youtu.be/Sc6CI1HDj8c

 

[madamx]

I wonder how many more skeletons are close by in those woods and trails that have still have not been found.
I said the same thing about Gilgo beach. Iam absolutely sure there are more around there .

 

[carbuff]

I wonder how many more skeletons are close by in those woods and trails that have still have not been found.
I said the same thing about Gilgo beach. Iam absolutely sure there are more around there .

It seems possible. It's the kind of location that might attract that kind of killer.

On the other hand, two cases 25 or more years apart could be coincidence.

 

[NYanon]

Images of clothing released

Sheriff’s office releases images of clothing worn in 2021 Chautauqua County skeletal remains case

The Sheriff’s office said the clothing worn by the unidentified person was initially sold in the early 90s and they are looking to see if anyone can identify the clothing worn.

www.wivb.com

Jacque & Koko lable

JACQUE & KOKO Trademark - Registration Number 1734083 - Serial Number 74151611 :: Justia Trademarks

clothing; namely, suits, pantsuits, coats, wind-resistant jackets, raincoats, ski jackets, ski pants, parkas, jackets, blazers, ponchos, vests, shirts, tops, blouses, T-shirts, pullovers, sweaters, sweatshirts, sweatpants, tank tops, shells, halters, jumpsuits, jogging suits, rompers, overalls...

trademarks.justia.com

 

[NYanon]

This Missing Person seemed to fit given information; she was last seen in a shirt that could be similar to the one mentioned above.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[NYanon]

Some of the Missing Persons pages for this area & timeframe are sparse. It wouldn't be surprising to me if there were Missing Persons who haven't made it to NAMUS from then/there as well. Not many seemed to fit. (All my own opinion).

Sonya Renee Oliver

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Cynthia Quarles

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Sylvia M Burton

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[NYanon]

Imo, expanding to include the two neighbouring Pennsylvania counties, there are not many added inclusions, based on the given info.

Sabrina Mae Kahler

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[azure]

Images of clothing released

Sheriff’s office releases images of clothing worn in 2021 Chautauqua County skeletal remains case

The Sheriff’s office said the clothing worn by the unidentified person was initially sold in the early 90s and they are looking to see if anyone can identify the clothing worn.

www.wivb.com

Jacque & Koko lable

JACQUE & KOKO Trademark - Registration Number 1734083 - Serial Number 74151611 :: Justia Trademarks

clothing; namely, suits, pantsuits, coats, wind-resistant jackets, raincoats, ski jackets, ski pants, parkas, jackets, blazers, ponchos, vests, shirts, tops, blouses, T-shirts, pullovers, sweaters, sweatshirts, sweatpants, tank tops, shells, halters, jumpsuits, jogging suits, rompers, overalls...

trademarks.justia.com

The brand was established 11/92 and cancelled 05/99. I think we can rule out anyone missing before late '92/early '93.

 

[Puzzleworth]

Images of clothing released

Sheriff’s office releases images of clothing worn in 2021 Chautauqua County skeletal remains case

The Sheriff’s office said the clothing worn by the unidentified person was initially sold in the early 90s and they are looking to see if anyone can identify the clothing worn.

www.wivb.com

Jacque & Koko lable

JACQUE & KOKO Trademark - Registration Number 1734083 - Serial Number 74151611 :: Justia Trademarks

clothing; namely, suits, pantsuits, coats, wind-resistant jackets, raincoats, ski jackets, ski pants, parkas, jackets, blazers, ponchos, vests, shirts, tops, blouses, T-shirts, pullovers, sweaters, sweatshirts, sweatpants, tank tops, shells, halters, jumpsuits, jogging suits, rompers, overalls...

trademarks.justia.com

So it looks like the brand would first have been sold during late 1992/early 1993 (ETA correct dates) and was defunct by 1999. It may have specialized in plus-size clothing, if the tag on Etsy is any indication, and according to this site was owned and/or sold by Lane Bryant, a plus-size women's clothing retailer.

 

[NYanon]

The brand was established 11/92 and cancelled 05/99. I think we can rule out anyone missing before late '92/early '93.

So it looks like the brand would first have been sold during late 1992/early 1993 (ETA correct dates) and was defunct by 1999. It may have specialized in plus-size clothing, if the tag on Etsy is any indication, and according to this site was owned and/or sold by Lane Bryant, a plus-size women's clothing retailer.

According to the site linked by Puzzleworth, the trademark was first used 01 October 1991, if I'm understanding that correctly. Maybe someone in trademark law or commercial fashion trademarking could speak to a lable's use before registration process. Based on that date, unless the decedent had been missing for some time before death/burial where found, and/or had been reburied there after any length of time, my opinion would be basically in agreement, except that I might not start excluding until that early October 91 date instead of 92/93.

 

[NYanon]

Maybe someone here would be so kind as to list current Exclusions, please? Maybe there are new additions since our last update?

 

[Melt71]

Maybe someone here would be so kind as to list current Exclusions, please? Maybe there are new additions since our last update?

21 exclusions

 

[Ozoner]

So it looks like the brand would first have been sold during late 1992/early 1993 (ETA correct dates) and was defunct by 1999. It may have specialized in plus-size clothing, if the tag on Etsy is any indication, and according to this site was owned and/or sold by Lane Bryant, a plus-size women's clothing retailer.

I'm not an expert on women's sizes, but I knew woman that I would consider big but not overweight who wore size 8/10. The size on this shirt was 18/20; I would have to think that anyone wearing that size could be described as significantly overweight.

 

[dotr]

Images of clothing released

Sheriff’s office releases images of clothing worn in 2021 Chautauqua County skeletal remains case

The Sheriff’s office said the clothing worn by the unidentified person was initially sold in the early 90s and they are looking to see if anyone can identify the clothing worn.

www.wivb.com

Jacque & Koko lable

JACQUE & KOKO Trademark - Registration Number 1734083 - Serial Number 74151611 :: Justia Trademarks

clothing; namely, suits, pantsuits, coats, wind-resistant jackets, raincoats, ski jackets, ski pants, parkas, jackets, blazers, ponchos, vests, shirts, tops, blouses, T-shirts, pullovers, sweaters, sweatshirts, sweatpants, tank tops, shells, halters, jumpsuits, jogging suits, rompers, overalls...

trademarks.justia.com

From link, thanks..

"The other body located at the site has yet to be identified, though the Sheriff’s office said in a Facebook post that the remains were at the site since 2011 or earlier, and that the body is that of a girl or woman between the ages of 15 and 35. The Sheriff’s office estimated her height between 4’11” and 5’7″.

The Sheriff’s office said the clothing worn by the unidentified person was initially sold in the early 90s and they are looking to see if anyone can identify the clothing worn (below)."

 

[j_in_c]

I'm not an expert on women's sizes, but I knew woman that I would consider big but not overweight who wore size 8/10. The size on this shirt was 18/20; I would have to think that anyone wearing that size could be described as significantly overweight.

I would also note that vanity sizing is a real thing so a size 8/10 in 1992 is not the same as a size 8/10 today!

 

[Ozoner]

I would also note that vanity sizing is a real thing so a size 8/10 in 1992 is not the same as a size 8/10 today!

The woman I knew who wore an 8/10 was someone I knew about 20 years ago, so maybe before vanity sizing kicked in, but I'd say she was about 5'7" and 150 lbs.—so she was "big" but a normal weight for her height and large frame. I would l think that someone wearing an 18/20 would have to be over 200 lbs.? Someone here would probably know better than I do.

 

[Laughing]

The woman I knew who wore an 8/10 was someone I knew about 20 years ago, so maybe before vanity sizing kicked in, but I'd say she was about 5'7" and 150 lbs.—so she was "big" but a normal weight for her height and large frame. I would l think that someone wearing an 18/20 would have to be over 200 lbs.? Someone here would probably know better than I do.

Yes, a person wearing an 18/20 likely weighs over 200 pounds. Most of my clothes are misses 14 or 16 right now, you can trust me on this.

BUT -- if this was a child/youth 18/20, we're all looking for a much smaller missing person.

 

[Puzzleworth]

Yes, a person wearing an 18/20 likely weighs over 200 pounds. Most of my clothes are misses 14 or 16 right now, you can trust me on this.

BUT -- if this was a child/youth 18/20, we're all looking for a much smaller missing person.

I believe it's an adult size, based on the other examples of J&K clothing sold online--plus, Lane Bryant stores do not sell youth sizes. There's no info on whether it was a "store brand" or one created to be sold in general retailers like Kohl's or Sears. I think it's probably the former.

If this woman had bought the shirt herself, she shopped in specialty stores or catalogs for her size instead of trying to fit into the "normal" sizes. Lane Bryant was/is pretty common in malls across America, and also had a strong catalog business in the '90s, so it would probably be difficult to pinpoint it as coming from a specific location.

I guess it could just be something from a donation bin too.

 

[CCJD]

“We’ve had family members of missing persons come forward,” Nutt said. “Families call us, and what’s helpful is we can go to NamUs and look at the dental records.”

Forensic odontologists use dental records from the remains to compare them with open cases both locally and outside the region. DNA from the remains also has been entered into national databases.
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Testing conducted by the Applied Forensic Sciences Department at Mercyhurst University in Erie, Pa., estimates the skeletal remains had been at the site for at least a decade. A shirt worn by the victim and recovered at the scene, believed to have been sold in the early ’90s, has helped police establish a potential timeline for how long the body may have been buried.

Testing helps narrow search to ID woman found in NY

JAMESTOWN, N.Y. — More than a dozen people have been ruled out as matches to human remains found last fall in northern Chautauqua County. Using NamUs, the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System, and working with other police agencies, local investigators have been able to narrow their...

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