OH OH - Amy Mihaljevic, 10, Bay Village, 27 Oct 1989

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Good catch. I remember the Unsolved Mysteries segment on this. This would make a lot of sense because the way he pretended to be some milk recall worker to gain access to homes with children aligns with how manipulative Amy's abductor was. Granted, pedophiles often use similar modalities of deception but they do look very similar. This man is now deceased and remember seeing his last mugshot before he died. That was one of the creepiest mugshots I've ever seen in my life.


Kenneth Stanton segment starts at 21:40.

Here's a web page about him. Anything is possible.


He was living in Moraine, OH, which is near Dayton. He would have been a few hours drive from where Amy was abducted, but anything is possible. He would have needed to hang around that area for a while to gather enough information for his plan. His car was abandoned near Perrysburg, OH, which is outside of Toledo, about 2 hours north of Moraine. I wonder what his wife had to say about his activities then?
 
Hi, I’m sorry to interrupt the flow of this forum. I did a deep dive on the Amy Mihaljevic case recently and came up with some thoughts as a central Ohioan.


Cleveland Magazine’s article from October 1999 has this blurb in the suspect’s behavioral profile regarding Amy’s kidnapping and murder: “He developed a sudden compulsive or obsessive disorder, experienced a personal catastrophe or an emotional setback.” Paired with the idea that he is unlikely to be successful in marriage or family life, I would not be surprised if Amy’s killer had tried masking who he was to get a wife and kid(s), but as time went on he couldn’t keep up the facade, and his partner split with him. Therefore, the crime occured when he decided nothing was left holding him back from fulfilling his darkest fantasy that he had put away.


If the suspect or his partner had family in Cleveland, it is reasonable to assume they would commute there for vacations and holidays, periodically. Therefore, the suspect would have knowledge of different places and activities for kids in the area, and have a reason for being around kids without sticking out. That would mean that, unlike the popular assumption that the killer has been hiding amongst Cleveland locals for all these years, perhaps he actually wasn’t caught because of his distance from the manhunt, and being unknown to anyone in Cleveland outside possibly some family.


I live in central Ohio, and if you want to drive north to Lake Erie from here without hopping on interstate 71, you take Route 42. I, myself, usually drive up to Sandusky rather than Cleveland, which is over an hour West along Lake Erie. Regardless, navigation will still take me up Route 42 a ways (one lane each direction!) towards Sandusky before turning off, so that just makes it all the more convenient that if your destination is Cleveland, you can stay on route 42 the whole way there from central Ohio


Route 42 passes through the city of Ashland, which is also the name of the county where Amy’s body was found in a field. If the perpetrator wanted to hop off 42 while he was still out in the sticks (Ashland and Mansfield are where the population become more dense in that direction), he could have turned off at 224. 224 is a straight shot road that travels towards and intersects with county road 1181, the exact road where Amy’s body was found.


Given how close 42 gets to county road 1181, I don’t think the suspect had to know that area like the back of his hand to leave her where he did. He could have just had a general area in mind beforehand and drove around those roads to pick a spot when he was getting rid of her body. Just because someone lives in Cleveland doesn’t mean they know the roads around that area, rather the requisite here is that the suspect has some knowledge from driving THROUGH the area. Also, I doubt he was traveling that way for work. Someone traveling from elsewhere to Cleveland for their job would have contacts up there who would have recognized him when the sketches were posted everywhere.


Honestly, it is surprising how much information used to be in neighborhood telephone directories, such as family members names, ages, and occupations. So I feel like the question “how did the man on the phone get these girl’s phone numbers?” isn’t so much the question that needs to be asked. Rather, *How did he pick out his victims?* Did this man indeed have his own child(ren) and visited places where they would be around other children? Was he able to figure out the names of the little girls he liked via proximity, then do research to obtain their family info later?


Regarding the curtain, I think it was made by a female relative of the suspect. My Grandma grew up in dirt poor rural Georgia, and the idea of saving old blankets without disposing of them, as well as sewing something instead of buying brand new, seems much more likely than it being a homemade horse stall curtain. The Cleveland Magazine behavior composite suggests that the suspect likely lived alone, with a roommate, or with his parents. In short, good chances he was on the down ‘n’ out. He probably complained to his mom, an aunt, or a sister, that he needed big darkening curtains for whatever hole he was shacked up in, and they made some out of an old blanket. If he’s not a responsible guy, or if he had just visited family, he could have had the panels still in his car from when they were gifted, convenient for use in his crime. He wouldn’t necessarily have had to stop by home during or after he killed Amy.


Sorry that was long, and I wasn’t sure how to end it, either. Hopefully this perspective helps my fellow sleuths :)
 
Hi, I’m sorry to interrupt the flow of this forum. I did a deep dive on the Amy Mihaljevic case recently and came up with some thoughts as a central Ohioan.


Cleveland Magazine’s article from October 1999 has this blurb in the suspect’s behavioral profile regarding Amy’s kidnapping and murder: “He developed a sudden compulsive or obsessive disorder, experienced a personal catastrophe or an emotional setback.” Paired with the idea that he is unlikely to be successful in marriage or family life, I would not be surprised if Amy’s killer had tried masking who he was to get a wife and kid(s), but as time went on he couldn’t keep up the facade, and his partner split with him. Therefore, the crime occured when he decided nothing was left holding him back from fulfilling his darkest fantasy that he had put away.


If the suspect or his partner had family in Cleveland, it is reasonable to assume they would commute there for vacations and holidays, periodically. Therefore, the suspect would have knowledge of different places and activities for kids in the area, and have a reason for being around kids without sticking out. That would mean that, unlike the popular assumption that the killer has been hiding amongst Cleveland locals for all these years, perhaps he actually wasn’t caught because of his distance from the manhunt, and being unknown to anyone in Cleveland outside possibly some family.


I live in central Ohio, and if you want to drive north to Lake Erie from here without hopping on interstate 71, you take Route 42. I, myself, usually drive up to Sandusky rather than Cleveland, which is over an hour West along Lake Erie. Regardless, navigation will still take me up Route 42 a ways (one lane each direction!) towards Sandusky before turning off, so that just makes it all the more convenient that if your destination is Cleveland, you can stay on route 42 the whole way there from central Ohio


Route 42 passes through the city of Ashland, which is also the name of the county where Amy’s body was found in a field. If the perpetrator wanted to hop off 42 while he was still out in the sticks (Ashland and Mansfield are where the population become more dense in that direction), he could have turned off at 224. 224 is a straight shot road that travels towards and intersects with county road 1181, the exact road where Amy’s body was found.


Given how close 42 gets to county road 1181, I don’t think the suspect had to know that area like the back of his hand to leave her where he did. He could have just had a general area in mind beforehand and drove around those roads to pick a spot when he was getting rid of her body. Just because someone lives in Cleveland doesn’t mean they know the roads around that area, rather the requisite here is that the suspect has some knowledge from driving THROUGH the area. Also, I doubt he was traveling that way for work. Someone traveling from elsewhere to Cleveland for their job would have contacts up there who would have recognized him when the sketches were posted everywhere.


Honestly, it is surprising how much information used to be in neighborhood telephone directories, such as family members names, ages, and occupations. So I feel like the question “how did the man on the phone get these girl’s phone numbers?” isn’t so much the question that needs to be asked. Rather, *How did he pick out his victims?* Did this man indeed have his own child(ren) and visited places where they would be around other children? Was he able to figure out the names of the little girls he liked via proximity, then do research to obtain their family info later?


Regarding the curtain, I think it was made by a female relative of the suspect. My Grandma grew up in dirt poor rural Georgia, and the idea of saving old blankets without disposing of them, as well as sewing something instead of buying brand new, seems much more likely than it being a homemade horse stall curtain. The Cleveland Magazine behavior composite suggests that the suspect likely lived alone, with a roommate, or with his parents. In short, good chances he was on the down ‘n’ out. He probably complained to his mom, an aunt, or a sister, that he needed big darkening curtains for whatever hole he was shacked up in, and they made some out of an old blanket. If he’s not a responsible guy, or if he had just visited family, he could have had the panels still in his car from when they were gifted, convenient for use in his crime. He wouldn’t necessarily have had to stop by home during or after he killed Amy.


Sorry that was long, and I wasn’t sure how to end it, either. Hopefully this perspective helps my fellow sleuths :)
Excellent first post @Abbytross! Please keep them coming. Welcome to Websleuths!
 
Hey everyone. I know that this might not be helpful in a sense and doesn't drive the case forward, but I'm just curious as to how many of us think this will be solved? I was so hopeful when it was leaked that they had a suspect and the DNA testing stuff...but it's been so long...will there be justice for this sweet girl?
 
“We’ve definitely found some male DNA on Amy’s sweatpants that we feel is promising and may result in identifying someone. We’re hopeful,” says Bay Village Detective Sergeant Jay Elish.

Oct. 8, 2024 at 3:45 PM EDT
 
“We’ve definitely found some male DNA on Amy’s sweatpants that we feel is promising and may result in identifying someone. We’re hopeful,” says Bay Village Detective Sergeant Jay Elish.

Oct. 8, 2024 at 3:45 PM EDT
Omg how exciting
 
“We’ve definitely found some male DNA on Amy’s sweatpants that we feel is promising and may result in identifying someone. We’re hopeful,” says Bay Village Detective Sergeant Jay Elish.

Oct. 8, 2024 at 3:45 PM EDT
Wow! I wonder if @othram is involved?

Now the big question is, whose DNA is on Amy’s clothing?

“Right now we don’t have the technology in the DNA world to come up with a DNA profile with the small amount that we have,” explains Dt Sgt. Elish.

But that technology could be developed very soon.

“We are being told it may be as close to six months to a year,” says Dt. Sgt. Elish. “We’ve been excited a few times with this case, we’ve learned to hold back and wait, so we’re not let down. But this is very exciting what we have.”
 
Wow! I wonder if @othram is involved?

Now the big question is, whose DNA is on Amy’s clothing?

“Right now we don’t have the technology in the DNA world to come up with a DNA profile with the small amount that we have,” explains Dt Sgt. Elish.

But that technology could be developed very soon.

“We are being told it may be as close to six months to a year,” says Dt. Sgt. Elish. “We’ve been excited a few times with this case, we’ve learned to hold back and wait, so we’re not let down. But this is very exciting what we have.”

I hope so, they do great work! If anyone can develop a DNA provile from a bit of evidence, they can.

This is such encouraging news after so many years. Many of us here were hoping BVPD would go back over the evidence to use modern tools to find additional sources for DNA evidence. I'm so glad they did that. I'll be happy to make a donation.

Thinking of Amy's dad and brother, hoping they hear something soon.
 
Hi, I’m sorry to interrupt the flow of this forum. I did a deep dive on the Amy Mihaljevic case recently and came up with some thoughts as a central Ohioan.


Cleveland Magazine’s article from October 1999 has this blurb in the suspect’s behavioral profile regarding Amy’s kidnapping and murder: “He developed a sudden compulsive or obsessive disorder, experienced a personal catastrophe or an emotional setback.” Paired with the idea that he is unlikely to be successful in marriage or family life, I would not be surprised if Amy’s killer had tried masking who he was to get a wife and kid(s), but as time went on he couldn’t keep up the facade, and his partner split with him. Therefore, the crime occured when he decided nothing was left holding him back from fulfilling his darkest fantasy that he had put away.


If the suspect or his partner had family in Cleveland, it is reasonable to assume they would commute there for vacations and holidays, periodically. Therefore, the suspect would have knowledge of different places and activities for kids in the area, and have a reason for being around kids without sticking out. That would mean that, unlike the popular assumption that the killer has been hiding amongst Cleveland locals for all these years, perhaps he actually wasn’t caught because of his distance from the manhunt, and being unknown to anyone in Cleveland outside possibly some family.


I live in central Ohio, and if you want to drive north to Lake Erie from here without hopping on interstate 71, you take Route 42. I, myself, usually drive up to Sandusky rather than Cleveland, which is over an hour West along Lake Erie. Regardless, navigation will still take me up Route 42 a ways (one lane each direction!) towards Sandusky before turning off, so that just makes it all the more convenient that if your destination is Cleveland, you can stay on route 42 the whole way there from central Ohio


Route 42 passes through the city of Ashland, which is also the name of the county where Amy’s body was found in a field. If the perpetrator wanted to hop off 42 while he was still out in the sticks (Ashland and Mansfield are where the population become more dense in that direction), he could have turned off at 224. 224 is a straight shot road that travels towards and intersects with county road 1181, the exact road where Amy’s body was found.


Given how close 42 gets to county road 1181, I don’t think the suspect had to know that area like the back of his hand to leave her where he did. He could have just had a general area in mind beforehand and drove around those roads to pick a spot when he was getting rid of her body. Just because someone lives in Cleveland doesn’t mean they know the roads around that area, rather the requisite here is that the suspect has some knowledge from driving THROUGH the area. Also, I doubt he was traveling that way for work. Someone traveling from elsewhere to Cleveland for their job would have contacts up there who would have recognized him when the sketches were posted everywhere.


Honestly, it is surprising how much information used to be in neighborhood telephone directories, such as family members names, ages, and occupations. So I feel like the question “how did the man on the phone get these girl’s phone numbers?” isn’t so much the question that needs to be asked. Rather, *How did he pick out his victims?* Did this man indeed have his own child(ren) and visited places where they would be around other children? Was he able to figure out the names of the little girls he liked via proximity, then do research to obtain their family info later?


Regarding the curtain, I think it was made by a female relative of the suspect. My Grandma grew up in dirt poor rural Georgia, and the idea of saving old blankets without disposing of them, as well as sewing something instead of buying brand new, seems much more likely than it being a homemade horse stall curtain. The Cleveland Magazine behavior composite suggests that the suspect likely lived alone, with a roommate, or with his parents. In short, good chances he was on the down ‘n’ out. He probably complained to his mom, an aunt, or a sister, that he needed big darkening curtains for whatever hole he was shacked up in, and they made some out of an old blanket. If he’s not a responsible guy, or if he had just visited family, he could have had the panels still in his car from when they were gifted, convenient for use in his crime. He wouldn’t necessarily have had to stop by home during or after he killed Amy.


Sorry that was long, and I wasn’t sure how to end it, either. Hopefully this perspective helps my fellow sleuths :)

A lot of good analysis there!

The only thing that makes a lot of people think the perp was someone semi-local or visiting regularly is that the kidnapper/killer was aware that Amy's mom had recently received a promotion of sorts at work. She was going from part-time to full-time work, IIRC. Not many people would have known about that outside of Amy's family and her mom's work. The killer used that event as a ruse for luring Amy to "help them buy a present" for her mom.

Good ideas, too, about the curtains. Probably a family member, etc. made them from leftover material or they had been used until worn and faded, then put away somewhere for use as a rag or tarp covering. Maybe stored in a barn or basement or garage.
 
I am going to agree with what the Captain (true crime garage) said, “someone out there is getting really scared."
moo
Hoping the Captain is right.

Here’s a link to a story from 2021 with information about Amy’s killer knowing her mom had received a promotion at work and pretending to be a coworker looking to buy her a gift.


It also discusses the tip police received that the killer was someone who lived a couple miles from the kidnap site at the time Amy disappeared. He worked in Bay Village and had a niece in the same grade as Amy. He didn’t come home the night Amy disappeared.
 
as per the growing trend - i'm gonna guess that they come out and name a dead guy as "probably" responsible
If there’s evidence (particularly DNA) involved, then that’s better than not knowing. Even if justice can’t be delivered to the perpetrator(s), I can only imagine the existential terror for the family and anyone who knew them of not knowing who was responsible.
Just imo.
 
If there’s evidence (particularly DNA) involved, then that’s better than not knowing. Even if justice can’t be delivered to the perpetrator(s), I can only imagine the existential terror for the family and anyone who knew them of not knowing who was responsible.
Just imo.

I agree, its better to know. If they're able to develop the nuclear DNA recently discovered, they'll probably be able to say exactly who it was. Knowing helps understand what happened and help LE see if other murders or attacks are connected.

Amy's dad has long stated that it's probably someone who was known to the family

 

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