OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #4

[Kaie]

Thank you! I have been told so many times that Meredith gives Clint an alibi for the whole weekend. Obviously we see that is not the case. As far as the Grand Jury here is what I know. CPD had 5 questions written out to ask Clint. Clint and his attorney showed up for the Grand Jury meeting and the questions were given to the prosecutor And Clint’s attorney. Clint and his attorney then went in a private room. Shortly after Clint’s attorney came back out and said his client will not be answering the question. This tells me that Clint couldn’t answer No to all of the questions. I am not allowed to know the questions that were asked, but I did guess 2 of them correctly. 1) Do you know where Brian Shaffer is? 2) Did you kill or harm (not sure on wording) Brian Shaffer? I have been trying to get in contact with Clint and his attorney, I’m hoping for a response soon.

@Old Mozez Found it, this is what I was thinking of.

 

[itsrak]

@Old Mozez Found it, this is what I was thinking of.

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OH - OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #4

 

[Kaie]

btw @Ozoner I can see now how my post that you responded to, was worded in a confusing way. I wasn't advocating for people to feel compelled to submit to lie detectors. I'd never take one at all. I was actually trying to say that I completely understand refusal of a lie detector... but the Grand Jury questions on the other hand... that's the process I would have willingly gone through.

 

[Kaie]

I have been told numerous times that Randy did it out of fear that someone (that potentially harmed Brian) would have access to his credit/bank cards.

I'm kind of surprised that a failed use of a credit card (because it's been cancelled, or for any other reason) doesn't leave some kind of electronic footprint than can be traced. If that were the case, then any attempt Brian made to use it, before he realised it was impossible, would be known to LE. But I guess that's not the way it works.

 

[dotr]

Re post of article pertaining to polygraphs..
April 12 2009
Is Brian Shaffer alive?
''One of the last people to see Shaffer that night was William “Clint” Florence, one of Shaffer’s best friends.

Attorney Neil Rosenberg represents Florence, who has refused at least two requests to take polygraph tests during the investigation of Shaffer’s disappearance. Florence is the only person who has refused to take a polygraph, said Kevin Miles, director of the Central Ohio Crime Stoppers.

Private investigator Don Corbett, who has worked on the case for free for the Shaffer family, said Florence refused his request to take a polygraph as recently as last September. Corbett said Florence also refused a police request to take a polygraph soon after Shaffer went missing. The Columbus Division of Police did not respond to phone calls last week seeking comment about Florence’s refusal to take a polygraph.

In the e-mail he sent to Corbett on Sept. 22, 2008, Rosenberg said: “If Brian is alive, which is what I’m led to believe after speaking with the detective involved, then it is Brian, and not Clint who is causing his family pain and hardship. Brian should come forward and end this.”

Rosenberg said last week in a phone interview that as far as he is concerned the case is closed, and he declined to comment about the investigation or the e-mail he sent to Corbett.

In an e-mail last week, Florence said: “While I appreciate any effort in trying to determine what happened to Brain [sic] that night, I must decline your request. ANY and ALL questions you have for me should be directed to my attorney, Neil Rosenberg.”

Florence, 32, works for the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Vanderbilt University Medical School, where he is a postdoctoral fellow, according to a Vanderbilt Web site.

Corbett said he doesn’t know which detective Rosenberg was referring to in the e-mail. However, he believes it is one of three men at Columbus Police: detective Andre Edwards of the Physical Child Abuse Section, Sgt. John Hurst of the Physical Abuse Section and Deputy Chief Antone Lanata of the Investigative Subdivision.

All three did not respond to repeated requests last week for an interview about whether they told Rosenberg they believe Shaffer is still alive.

Rosenberg also said in his e-mail to Corbett that, “The only burning issue with the authorities remains Clint’s refusal to be polygraphed. That decision was based on my recommendation and advise [sic] to Clint, not because he is, has been misleading or has something to hide, but that he simply has nothing new to tell and was totally up front and honest with them from the beginning. As far as Clint is concerned, this matter is closed.”

 

[Falkner77]

Waiting on the 2nd part of the Hurst interview like

 

[itsrak]

Re post of article pertaining to polygraphs..
April 12 2009
Is Brian Shaffer alive?
''One of the last people to see Shaffer that night was William “Clint” Florence, one of Shaffer’s best friends.

Attorney Neil Rosenberg represents Florence, who has refused at least two requests to take polygraph tests during the investigation of Shaffer’s disappearance. Florence is the only person who has refused to take a polygraph, said Kevin Miles, director of the Central Ohio Crime Stoppers.

Private investigator Don Corbett, who has worked on the case for free for the Shaffer family, said Florence refused his request to take a polygraph as recently as last September. Corbett said Florence also refused a police request to take a polygraph soon after Shaffer went missing. The Columbus Division of Police did not respond to phone calls last week seeking comment about Florence’s refusal to take a polygraph.

In the e-mail he sent to Corbett on Sept. 22, 2008, Rosenberg said: “If Brian is alive, which is what I’m led to believe after speaking with the detective involved, then it is Brian, and not Clint who is causing his family pain and hardship. Brian should come forward and end this.”

Rosenberg said last week in a phone interview that as far as he is concerned the case is closed, and he declined to comment about the investigation or the e-mail he sent to Corbett.

In an e-mail last week, Florence said: “While I appreciate any effort in trying to determine what happened to Brain [sic] that night, I must decline your request. ANY and ALL questions you have for me should be directed to my attorney, Neil Rosenberg.”

Florence, 32, works for the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Vanderbilt University Medical School, where he is a postdoctoral fellow, according to a Vanderbilt Web site.

Corbett said he doesn’t know which detective Rosenberg was referring to in the e-mail. However, he believes it is one of three men at Columbus Police: detective Andre Edwards of the Physical Child Abuse Section, Sgt. John Hurst of the Physical Abuse Section and Deputy Chief Antone Lanata of the Investigative Subdivision.

All three did not respond to repeated requests last week for an interview about whether they told Rosenberg they believe Shaffer is still alive.

Rosenberg also said in his e-mail to Corbett that, “The only burning issue with the authorities remains Clint’s refusal to be polygraphed. That decision was based on my recommendation and advise [sic] to Clint, not because he is, has been misleading or has something to hide, but that he simply has nothing new to tell and was totally up front and honest with them from the beginning. As far as Clint is concerned, this matter is closed.”

Clint's attorney was simply capitalizing on someone at CPD suggesting they thought Brian might still be alive (Hurst just recently did the same!), by saying 'hey, y'all think he's alive, so obviously my client didn't kill him, so lay off'. Just doing what attorneys do.

I don't think Clint had anything to do with Brian's disappearance. And I don't buy crazy notion that he knows who did it but won't talk because it would make him look bad. But if you think Clint killed Brian, hypothesize the scenario. Start with not who, what, why or where, but when. When did Clint do it? He was with Meredith till like 10am Sat. morn, eight hours after Brian disappeared, right? And she certainly wasn't involved, right? So it happened some time after 10am, right? Yet, Brian's apt appeared untouched, and for some reason he hadn't used his phone by 10am, and hadn't called his friends after 2am to say party was off, and he for some reason appeared not to have left the Gateway complex, and for some reason failed to appear on any neighborhood cams, and didn't use the internet, .......

 

[Old Mozez]

Clint's attorney was simply capitalizing on someone at CPD suggesting they thought Brian might still be alive (Hurst just recently did the same!), by saying 'hey, y'all think he's alive, so obviously my client didn't kill him, so lay off'. Just doing what attorneys do.

I don't think Clint had anything to do with Brian's disappearance. And I don't buy crazy notion that he knows who did it but won't talk because it would make him look bad. But if you think Clint killed Brian, hypothesize the scenario. Start with not who, what, why or where, but when. When did Clint do it? He was with Meredith till like 10am Sat. morn, eight hours after Brian disappeared, right? And she certainly wasn't involved, right? So it happened some time after 10am, right? Yet, Brian's apt appeared untouched, and for some reason he hadn't used his phone by 10am, and hadn't called his friends after 2am to say party was off, and he for some reason appeared not to have left the Gateway complex, and for some reason failed to appear on any neighborhood cams, and didn't use the internet, .......

The only thing there is if Clint payed Brian a visit to his apartment when he went back to retrieve his car that morning. Brian and Clint could've hang out a bit and later gotten somewhere in Clint's car. And from there something happened, maybe out of town, somewhere else. Bloodless, no commotion in the apartment etc. Brian would have been sleeping and got awoken, by then would probably have wanted to take a shower though, and get his eyeglasses, checked his phone, things like that .

It entails Brian made it home though, and it's a really farfetched theory, a pre-emptive assumption not based on motives, why would Clint wanna do something like that in case it was foul play, sure it could have been the moment Clint helped Brian leave his present life and run-away from it all. I don't think this happened but I still think they've could have checked on Brian that morning, I mean they were so eager to get hold of him the hours prior. Now potentially he could have been there, and like ehh screw him. They stood outside his apartment ffs. They were still mad he bailed on them in the UTS probably. Or they really weren't that much of pals even.

 

[Looking4Brian]

I'm not aware that Clint did anything in the wake of Brian's disappearance that should arouse suspicion. As per Hurst, he cooperated with police and submitted to an interview. He spoke to the press. He hired a lawyer, but that is rational and not suspicious. He declined a lie detector test, but Hurst himself noted that lawyers typically advise their clients to decline. CPD forensics did its thing on Clint's vehicle and the home he and Meredith were house-sitting - no issues. He described Brian as a ladies man and noted that he tended to run his mouth when drunk, but there is no reason that Clint's having offered those opinions would arouse suspicion.

So, in your understanding, what specific actions or behavior of Clint did Mr. Waggoner single out as having lead Mr. Waggoner to state "The gist of my perspective on Clint Florence is that I think that basically all roads to making any progress on the case on Brian Shaffer lead through Clint Florence”? I'd be very interested to know what compelled Mr. Waggoner to utter that statement. Thanks.

From what everyone tells me it was the way Clint started backing off the more CPD got involved. Added to Brian & Clint’s arguing habits, Clint getting an attorney, and declining to answer questions before a grand jury...these things seemed to make several people think Clint was acting strange and could know more.

 

[Looking4Brian]

I'm kind of surprised that a failed use of a credit card (because it's been cancelled, or for any other reason) doesn't leave some kind of electronic footprint than can be traced. If that were the case, then any attempt Brian made to use it, before he realised it was impossible, would be known to LE. But I guess that's not the way it works.

My basic understanding of Brian’s cards is if he were to use them before they were canceled it would’ve been known and reported. If the cards had been reported stolen instead of being canceled, any attempts to use the card would’ve been traced. However, Brian’s cards were canceled/closed so the possibility to track any attempts was lost.

 

[Looking4Brian]

Waiting on the 2nd part of the Hurst interview like
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Lol. I know. I have been trying to give the Oxygen Channel time to make a decision and I’ve been dealing with some stuff behind the scenes. I keep hitting road block after road block with people and information. It will be soon, but I don’t have an exact date yet.

 

[Falkner77]

Lol. I know. I have been trying to give the Oxygen Channel time to make a decision and I’ve been dealing with some stuff behind the scenes. I keep hitting road block after road block with people and information. It will be soon, but I don’t have an exact date yet.

Just kidding around! Your persistence on this case is fantastic and we’re lucky for all the bits and pieces of info you provide the public, whenever you choose to.

I recently listened to the Missing in Ohio YouTube video and the Brian’s Hotmail IP address being from the Italy medical school in 2017 blew my mind! Is this the nugget Don Corbett texted you about that indicates he may be alive? Can you shed any more light on that text?

Thanks again for all the great work Kelly.

 

[Satch]

Just kidding around! Your persistence on this case is fantastic and we’re lucky for all the bits and pieces of info you provide the public, whenever you choose to.

I recently listened to the Missing in Ohio YouTube video and the Brian’s Hotmail IP address being from the Italy medical school in 2017 blew my mind! Is this the nugget Don Corbett texted you about that indicates he may be alive? Can you shed any more light on that text?

Thanks again for all the great work Kelly.

Elaborate on the IP address from Italy. How might this relate to Brian?

Satch

 

[Ozoner]

Just kidding around! Your persistence on this case is fantastic and we’re lucky for all the bits and pieces of info you provide the public, whenever you choose to.

I recently listened to the Missing in Ohio YouTube video and the Brian’s Hotmail IP address being from the Italy medical school in 2017 blew my mind! Is this the nugget Don Corbett texted you about that indicates he may be alive? Can you shed any more light on that text?

Thanks again for all the great work Kelly.

Color me skeptical regarding whether any such text was ever sent. Kelly also mentioned some mystery letter that seems to have never really existed.

 

[Looking4Brian]

Just kidding around! Your persistence on this case is fantastic and we’re lucky for all the bits and pieces of info you provide the public, whenever you choose to.

I recently listened to the Missing in Ohio YouTube video and the Brian’s Hotmail IP address being from the Italy medical school in 2017 blew my mind! Is this the nugget Don Corbett texted you about that indicates he may be alive? Can you shed any more light on that text?

Thanks again for all the great work Kelly.

Thank you. So the IP address is difficult for me to explain because it’s out of my expertise, but I’ll try. I received an in-depth background report on Brian. As I was scrolling down I noticed Brian’s email was reported as used in September 2017. Beside the reported date was an IP address. When we searched this IP address it came back to the medical school in Italy. We began looking at the original background report further and checking other reported dates. These also came back to college campus’s or offices related to the medical field. After having a few people look into, they all determined a proxy was being used to access or attempt to access Brian’s email addresses. That is as much as I know about this.

 

[Looking4Brian]

Color me skeptical regarding whether any such text was ever sent. Kelly also mentioned some mystery letter that seems to have never really existed.

Actually if you follow me on Facebook I shared screen shots of mine and Don’s conversation and tagged him in the post, with his permission of course. I have never seen said evidence and as far as I know Don believes it to be a hoax.

 

[itsrak]

From what everyone tells me it was the way Clint started backing off the more CPD got involved. Added to Brian & Clint’s arguing habits, Clint getting an attorney, and declining to answer questions before a grand jury...these things seemed to make several people think Clint was acting strange and could know more.

I'd love to know if it is fact that Clint declined to answer questions before a grand jury. I doubt it. But if it is fact, would be interesting to hear explanation of Clint's attorney - would probably be something along the lines of 'my client, who had nothing to do with the disappearance of Brian Shaffer, was not legally obligated to answer those or any questions and would not benefit from answering any questions and took my advice not to'.

 

[Looking4Brian]

I'd love to know if it is fact that Clint declined to answer questions before a grand jury. I doubt it. But if it is fact, would be interesting to hear explanation of Clint's attorney - would probably be something along the lines of 'my client, who had nothing to do with the disappearance of Brian Shaffer, was not legally obligated to answer those or any questions and would not benefit from answering any questions and took my advice not to'.

Actually he agreed to go before the Grand Jury with his attorney. Once they were there and he saw the list of questions they were going to ask, he decided to plead the 5th. That was the only information given to me and John Hurst told me about all of this. Several of Brian’s friends and family members knew about this as well it just wasn’t released to the public.

 

[MerryB]

Actually he agreed to go before the Grand Jury with his attorney. Once they were there and he saw the list of questions they were going to ask, he decided to plead the 5th. That was the only information given to me and John Hurst told me about all of this. Several of Brian’s friends and family members knew about this as well it just wasn’t released to the public.

Why would Clint be called before a Grand Jury? Unless I’m misunderstanding, that would mean investigators had some kind of evidence that a crime was committed, and brought the evidence before the GJ to determine if there was probable cause to charge an individual (Clint??) with a criminal offense. Really interesting.

 

[itsrak]

Why would Clint be called before a Grand Jury? Unless I’m misunderstanding, that would mean investigators had some kind of evidence that a crime was committed, and brought the evidence before the GJ to determine if there was probable cause to charge an individual (Clint??) with a criminal offense. Really interesting.

Well, your question gets to the heart of the issue. *IF* it is actually true that Clint was called before a grand jury, there must be some bit of info pertaining to Clint, unbeknownst to all of us amateur sleuths and the general public. This would presumably be the same secret info/knowledge that prompted Alexis' father and Brian's brother to throw shade on Clint. Not necessarily incriminating info, but info that at least raised a question or two.

So if you are called before a grand jury, and you decline to answer any questions, presumably the GJ then proceeds. Right? And in the case of Clint he was not indicted - right?

So the questions to me would be:
1) Is it true that Clint was called before a GJ?
2) When? 2006?
3) Is it true he declined to answer any questions?
4) Is it correct that he was then not indicted by GJ?
5) What was the knowledge/info that required Clint to appear before GJ? That prompted Mr. Waggoner and Derek Shaffer to throw shade on Clint?