OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #1

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JeannieC said:
I believe he is incredibly bad at communicating regarding her disappearance but he is upset and might not be that way all the time.
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Someone needs to say......."find someone who can communicate buddy because you are making things pretty rough on yourself....."
 
DianaElaine said:
BBM

I've recently been thinking along these lines too. As if he knew she was going somewhere though, and helped her out somehow, burning 'papers', what papers? Telling people, not to worry ... etc. Just my thoughts.

MOO
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IF he passed a poly and you TRUST them this isn't the case, they asked if he knew anything about her whereabouts or her disappearance.....
 
SurfieTX said:
I have 2 theories as it stands right now:
1. She went outside to smoke/text, left the dog in her bed, closed the bedroom door, and someone accosted her outside (less likely theory).
2. Someone she knew called her or stopped by (or even saw her outside), she went with him/her with just her phone expecting to be back very shortly (ala Amy Henslee), and something went awry.
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It's also possible that she was NOT at home, for whatever reason, and DID have her purse & keys and maybe even her car with her. Then foul play befell her outside of her home, at the hands of either a known person OR a stranger.

That person could have detained her or dumped her somewhere, then simply brought back her purse & keys (and car if necessary) and left them at her apartment. Even a stranger could have learned her address from her ID.

It would have been a good "cover your tracks" move on the part of the perp, to make it LOOK like she vanished from her home, which would keep the searches focused on the immediate area.
 
JeannieC said:
As ~N~t previously posted.

"Old papers were burned. New documents are still at her house."

She burned old bank statements, class schedules, and school papers.
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I'm starting to think this is why she may have said, "Oh, I wanted to be there." Maybe because she wanted to include the more recent documents. Thus he said, "Oh, you can be there when I burn my documents," as in, to include your other documents.
 
JeannieC said:
I just changed from Verizon to Sprint and had/have a sim card. It might depend on the phone.
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Some sprint phones do have sim cards, but the cards are not used while in the US. If you travel to another country that does not support non-sim card phones, you call sprint and get the sim card activated to be used outside the US.
 
Kamille said:
That would mean that there were even less papers to be burned. If she kept about 1-2 years worth then she would only have had about 2-3 years worth to get rid of. Not much IMO. I don't think she'd have had any valuable paperwork from prior to her turning 18 and moving into that home.
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Good point. I keep forgetting how young she is. How could someone so young have THAT much paperwork (too much to just tear in pieces, according to JC) especially if it doesn't include her current paperwork?

And I don't understand the emotional quality of the paper-burning that he attributes to her.

"Oh, I kinda wanted to be there, but that's okay" - that was spoken by him in imitation of Katelyn, and he spoke the latter phrase as if she was reassuring him she isn't upset.

But why WOULD she have been upset, if she supposedly sent him out her door with a big bunch of papers and the REQUEST that he burn them, and the knowledge that he was leaving for his friend's with the firepit?? It makes no sense.
 
Columbo said:
bolded by me.


It just struck me, I and others have been saying he may not be too bright, yet he used the word "pragmatic" and used it correctly. ?? Uneducated people don't usually use words like that. :waitasec:
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His communication style reminds me of a couple people that I know. They drive me crazy because they always add in a "story" or lots of information that has nothing to do with a question that I ask. What time is dinner? Well when I spoke to so and so they were having car trouble...you know that car has been giving her trouble...etc etc.....Then I ask again...What time is dinner? I usually have to ask three times and tell the person to just give me a one word answer. Otherwise it becomes a novel. Those people that I know are narcissistic type people and think that everything they say is interesting. I usually have to deduct the answer to my question out of their very very long answers. I don't think he is uneducated at all, he just doesn't have the ability to be succinct with his answers.
 
I wish her father or someone else would speak up on her behalf, as to when they last saw her, how she behaved, was everything "normal", etc...
 
I am probably way off base here, but does anyone remember the "runaway bride" from GA? She went on a run, left all her ID's at home, keys, everything, and took off before her wedding. Just a hopeful thought.
 
terracotta said:
His communication style reminds me of a couple people that I know. They drive me crazy because they always add in a "story" or lots of information that has nothing to do with a question that I ask. What time is dinner? Well when I spoke to so and so they were having car trouble...you know that car has been giving her trouble...etc etc.....Then I ask again...What time is dinner? I usually have to ask three times and tell the person to just give me a one word answer. Otherwise it becomes a novel. Those people that I know are narcissistic type people and think that everything they say is interesting. I usually have to deduct the answer to my question out of their very very long answers. I don't think he is uneducated at all, he just doesn't have the ability to be succinct with his answers.
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I have a friend who does that and it drives me nuts. I do actually ask her questions now and tell her all I want is a direct answer, no details. We laugh about it. She's not narcissistic just a talker. Obsessive talker.
 
NavyGirl said:
I am probably way off base here, but does anyone remember the "runaway bride" from GA? She went on a run, left all her ID's at home, keys, everything, and took off before her wedding. Just a hopeful thought.
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That would be wonderful. I hope you are right.
 
pynkphysh said:
I'm starting to think this is why she may have said, "Oh, I wanted to be there." Maybe because she wanted to include the more recent documents. Thus he said, "Oh, you can be there when I burn my documents," as in, to include your other documents.
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Can you explain that? I'm not sure I understand.
 
Kamille said:
That would mean that there were even less papers to be burned. If she kept about 1-2 years worth then she would only have had about 2-3 years worth to get rid of. Not much IMO. I don't think she'd have had any valuable paperwork from prior to her turning 18 and moving into that home.
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I don't know how many years of papers and I only listed a few things he mentioned. He did say it was a lot of papers. She might have been someone who saved everything. We don't know.
 
cluciano63 said:
I wish her father or someone else would speak up on her behalf, as to when they last saw her, how she behaved, was everything "normal", etc...
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I wonder about that too and how JC became her "official spokesperson" for interviews, searches and such.

Perhaps her Dad is just a shy person and has let or even requested that JC lead in this or perhaps someone has told him to let JC keep talking while he stays silent?

MOO
 
I'm sorry if this has been answered but I'm working my way through the thread.

Has there been any accounts or witnesses of WHERE KM and John were prior to 11:30 that night when he says he "left her at her condo sitting on her bed"

TIA
 
I don't think there has been an account of that day and evening before 11-11:30PM given by anyone, as to where they had been, what Katelyn had done that day or evening...no one else has spoken out at all, that I am aware of, and boyfriend has not touched on any of that to my knowledge...just the things they didn't do...didn't go to his parents...didn't go together to burn papers, etc...
 
that's my question too! Where were these two early Saturday morning until the wee hours of Sunday morning. If JC had anything to do with her disappearance, she could have gone missing much earlier than previously thought and the whole incident taken place elsewhere and not necessarily at her townhouse. JC could have returned to the townhouse late Saturday night and staged the place to look as if nothing out of the ordinary happened and returned all of her personal items except that he pocketed her cell phone in order to get rid of the evidence on it.

Like "donjeta" said earlier, look for the many slips of the tongue when JC opens his mouth and a perfect example of this is when he was discussing the burning of the documents. He tripped up and said "messages". I know many of you out there don't subscribe to this but it is so blatantly obvious to me that he is exhibitiing "consciousness of guilt". In his little mind he is obsessing over his deletion of critical text messages on Katelyn's phone when he is supposed to be talking about burning Katelyn's "documents". Add to this mix the element of extreme fear of being caught and fatigue or lack of sleep and you have a guy that is so confused when he is speaking that he can't keep straight all of the things that he's said in previous interviews and contradicts himself. JC is obviously not a sociopath...for sociopaths are masters in the art of lying and deception and have no feelings of compassion, empathy or remorse for their actions. JC has a conscience and is, unfortunately, a terrible liar. Others are chalking it up to being a little "slow" or "nerves" but I think not. I think what happened is that Katelyn was having second thoughts about moving accross the country so soon after graduation without any job prospects and living with a guy who delivers pizzas for a living. I think an argument erupted and JC lost control in much the same way that Ryan Widmer did when he drowned his wife. Neither one of these two guys have a prior history of violence but talk to any couple who have been together a while and each party will admit that they know how to push the other ones' buttons.

Last night "should be working" contacted law enforcement friends who told her that just because the detectives told JC he passed his polygraph doesn't mean that he did. They would have their reasons for wanting JC to keep talking and performing interviews and continuing to trip himself up because at some point in the future we might be seeing him stand trial in a murder case that is entirely circumstantial. I think they have a lot of evidence against him already that we are unaware of but they are going to have to build one heck of a strong circumstantial case because at this point they can't even prove there's been a homicide.

Oh, well. This is just all my little humble opinion for what it's worth.
 
cluciano63 said:
I don't think there has been an account of that day and evening before 11-11:30PM given by anyone, as to where they had been, what Katelyn had done that day or evening...no one else has spoken out at all, that I am aware of, and boyfriend has not touched on any of that to my knowledge...just the things they didn't do...didn't go to his parents...didn't go together to burn papers, etc...
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Can't even imagine HOW we can sleuth a case without THAT information! So much could have happened prior to 12:45 "outside" the home and that's why there was no sign of struggle "at" the home. A person with access to the home could have brought all her personal possessions back home (making look like she returned home), taken a picture of the picture in her bedroom and then destroyed her phone.

Perhaps there were some hateful texts on the phone and the person who sent them thought destroying the phone would get rid of the messages?

Also, I find it VERY odd that she sent a text at or around the same exact time her phone went completely off the radar. Kinda like, after the pic was sent (to prove she was at home and NOT with JC) the phone was no longer needed or evidence on it needed to be destroyed so this happened immediately afterwards. AND/OR the person knew if they took the phone with them when they left, the GPS would track it so he needed to destroy it there and then because they needed to leave quickly before anyone saw them at her home.
 
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