OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #3

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This is my first post on this, but I have been following all this very closely. I live in Cinti and know the area well, so it is 100% creepy to me. While I know that LE has been very quiet, I have to believe they know more than they are saying. I think they don't want to screw things up and so are waiting until they are sure to make an arrest. JMO
 
This is my first post on this, but I have been following all this very closely. I live in Cinti and know the area well, so it is 100% creepy to me. While I know that LE has been very quiet, I have to believe they know more than they are saying. I think they don't want to screw things up and so are waiting until they are sure to make an arrest. JMO

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I don't believe she had the pearl flip phone. I think she had the 8130, which Cricket sold. It's been said she was also on Cricket like JC.

8130red-120x120.jpg


It's the right size and shape, and the flash is located at the top of the back of the phone.

I can't match up this double set of lines on any of the phones we think it might be.
katelynphonesuperzoom-1.jpg


I also pulled a Katelyn (playing with hue, etc) and is there a small light from the phone also able to be made out?
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The other thought I was having is that 'flash spot' an overhead ceiling fixture???
 
IDK. Seems the slider thing is wrong and is that a dot on Katelyns phone - like a bump or circle molding??
katelynphonesuperzoom-1-1.jpg

(Katelyn phone inserted on top of above model turned sideways and blown up.)

The photo insert of her actual phone is done over the top of the model phone... I think it should be the bottom...? JMHO.

ETA: I do think the double line could be the contour of the flip phone.
 
In the blown up part of the glare, I can see an "M" on someone's shirt. Can't make out the face well. Is that not the person taking the picture?

On 8/29, the amazing A_News_Junkie posted two photographs from the 8/25 Nancy Grace show spotlighting the disappearance of Katelyn Markham.

Of the second photo, A_N_J said:

"I wonder if this is the pic of a pic [KM's last text to JC before she disappeared] that he showed reporters. Reason being you see the circle glare, like a photo taken of a screen."

Though this hasn't been confirmed, I believe both the "circle glare" and the fact that the photo was displayed immediately after Nancy Grace barked, "Liz, am I seeing the text message? Is that what was sent? Liz, that's a yes/no. OK. If we have the text message, let me see it" (transcript here) are compelling reasons to believe that A_N_J may very well be right about this being KM's last text (the infamous "picture of a picture").

Exhibit 1

Exhibit1.jpg


KM's final ("picture of a picture") text?

Assuming this photo was indeed KM's final text, I sat down and looked over it very carefully by zooming in on my iPhone. My idea was that because of the "circle glare" noted by A_N_J, maybe I would be able to catch a reflection in the glossy surface of the hard copy photo that was photographed. And I did:

Exhibit 2

Ex2.jpg


The flash/"circle glare" in the lower left hand corner very clearly illuminates the upper left hand corner of the cell phone being used to photograph the photograph of Katelyn. (Important: I was later surprised and disappointed to find that this same image, when blown up on my laptop -- Exhibit 2 -- fails to display my discovery with the same crystal clarity as my iPhone. Please don't be discouraged if you're unable to spot the reflection of the cell phone here; instead, I ask you to view the photo on your mobile phone, preferably an iPhone since I am certain you'll see what I'm seeing. Everyone else, please bear with me, and trust me: the reflection of the photographer's phone is there.)

Next, I set out to attempt to pin down a clear visual representation of KM's cell phone in order to confirm that it is indeed KM's cell phone reflected in the hard copy of the "final text" photo. Using image search engines, unconfirmed reports, and the only known photo of KM with her cell --

Exhibits 3 & 4

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-- I was able identify what I believe is most likely KM's cell: a red BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220:

Exhibit 5

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Red BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220, back view.

Exhibit 6

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Red BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220, front view.

Exhibit 7

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Red BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220, side view.

I had a friend look at Exhibit 2 on my iPhone, and she agreed that a) the upper left corner of the cell phone that was used to take the photograph of KM is clearly reflected in the glossy surface of the hard copy (as stated above), and b) the cell phone reflected in the hard copy of the photograph is a "candy bar" (non-flip, non-slider) phone.

Of course, many people (and thus possible responsible parties for KM's disappearance) own candy bar phones, but it is worth mentioning here that JC uses a Cricket (candy bar) cell phone, which I was able to easily determine by pulling the following screen caps from video interviews/news segments (links included):

Exhibit 8

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JC's Cricket, front view. (http://www.wlwt.com/news/28919291/detail.html)

Exhibit 9

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JC's Cricket, back view. Note the camera lens at the top of the back, next to JC's finger. (http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/region...rfield/detectives-search-missing-woman's-home)

Furthermore, looking again at the "picture of a picture," we were able to easily determine that the flash originates from the top of the candy bar phone used to take this photograph. Upon further inspection of the Red BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220 model likely owned by KM, we found that the flash on this phone originates from the middle/bottom of the upper half, as shown below:

Exhibit 10

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Important Note: With most flip phones, it is possible to take a photograph with the phone shut; many flip phones offer a small preview on the front phone display. If KM took the picture of her picture with her phone closed, it would place the camera lens/flash at the top of the phone (as seen in the reflection in the glossy hard copy). However, this feature is normally used only for self-portraits. When photographing an object, there is no logical reason a person (especially an artist, who will naturally care a great deal about the quality of the photos she takes) would keep her flip phone shut, thus eliminating a preview of the photo that is about to be taken. A flip-phone owner would simply flip her phone open and enjoy a preview of her photo-to-be-taken on the larger inner display screen, which again places the camera lens/flash on KM's BlackBerry phone at the middle/bottom of the upper half.

Please take a close look at Exhibit 2 and let me know what you think.

(All above content MOO.)
 
I'm having a hard time figuring out, how anyone can figure anything out, about the photo shown on the NG show.
It is a photo of a photo of a photo, on John's phone, how can anyone figure out where the flash spot is coming from, is is in the photo of the photo, on Johns phone? Or is it coming from the photo of the photo of the photo, coming from the photo that the reporter took?
 
Y'all are so smart that's why I hang out here. I have been looking all over to see if we can find out the size of the bathrooms. County auditor and zillow neither have that information any other suggestions?
 
I noticed two different nurses had brought their mail into work this week to shred it in our document shredder, which is emptied by a company who specializes in disposal of shredded confidential documents. I should ask them if they'd consider burning them if they weren't bringing them to shred at work.
 
I must not be paranoid enough...I just tear things up before I throw them away...
 
Y'all are so smart that's why I hang out here. I have been looking all over to see if we can find out the size of the bathrooms. County auditor and zillow neither have that information any other suggestions?

Sound que: Knock, Knock

ShouldBWorking: "Hi, can I see your bathroom Brad?"

Brad: "NO -- and shouldn't you be working?"

Sound que: Door slams.


Okay, on a serious note -- let me think on this one!
:werk:
 
Sound que: Knock, Knock

ShouldBWorking: "Hi, can I see your bathroom Brad?"

Brad: "NO -- and shouldn't you be working?"

Sound que: Door slams.


Okay, on a serious note -- let me think on this one!
:werk:

My husband, "Hey tell those people not to encourage you to be any crazier then you already are."
 
Going back to the phone thing that DimeDetective brought up:

1) If I wanted to confuse the situation, I would take a flip phone, set up the picture, make sure it didn't move, and then close the flip screen enough so that it might look like candy bar phone but doesn't shut the camera off. It'd be tricky, but I think it could be done if the perp had a few minutes to mess around.

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Just some thoughts.


But why? Why would someone even think to take the photo of a photo first, then to be all tricky with it?
 
But why? Why would someone even think to take the photo of a photo first, then to be all tricky with it?

Makes no sense to me either. If anything, the whole picture thing is so weird, it was never going to help him look more innocent. If he is innocent, just having their texting stop at a certain would have made much more sense, not ending it with her sending a photo of herself, and then shutting off her phone...

I'd like to think LE is all over this case, but if they really have not asked him to take a LD test and if they really only just asked for a written statement, then they are way behind, IMO. We don't know if those things are true, and I hope they are not...but if they are, this case is in trouble. I also doubt TES would have pulled out for 5 days if they were close or had been finding valuable clues.

JMO
 
This is bugging me this morning...about the papers. Assuming JC did just like he said, which is go to the fire pit and burn her documents.

When did JC come into possession of the papers? According to the texts, she wanted to be there to burn them. So why would she give him the papers that evening when she knew she was going to stay home and go to bed?

Did JC have the papers at his house? If so, did he go back home, pick up the papers and then go burn them? I seem to recall that he said he went directly to a friends house.

So, did he have the papers in his car and was just driving around with them for a few days?

:waitasec:

That whole thing has been bugging me too. He says she texted him saying she wished she could be there...ok, why didn't she go then? She does not work until noon the next day.
And why would he go burn her papers if she said she wanted to be there? Why not wait a day and let her be there?

And his answer is ridiculous. " Ok, you can be here when I burn my papers." WTH? That makes no sense.

And like you said, when did he get the 'bank stuff' from her? Why would she give it to him that night and then whine about wanting to be there?
 
Maybe her phone had an opaque cover on it, making it harder to identify which make or model it was. My daughter has a hot pink cover over her blackberry.
 
I am telling you, and like TyeDyeJedi and a couple others have said...

No documents were ever burned. Burning documents was code for smoking pot. It was raining that night so of course he wasn't burning "documents". If he was there, my guess is they smoked a few fatties and ate some Papa John's Pizza, since as an employee I'm sure he got a discount.

I mean, that's all we used to do when my friends and I got high.
 
I am telling you, and like TyeDyeJedi and a couple others have said...

No documents were ever burned. Burning documents was code for smoking pot. It was raining that night so of course he wasn't burning "documents". If he was there, my guess is they smoked a few fatties and ate some Papa John's Pizza, since as an employee I'm sure he got a discount.

I mean, that's all we used to do when my friends and I got high.

Well, if there never was any burned papers or records, he is even dumber than I thought; there was no reason to make up that excuse for the media or NG; tell the police any crazy story you want, but he did not have to bring up burning anything for the public. The texts were not made public.
 
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