What? They needed to abuse 12 children to have committed a crime? :banghead:SewingDeb said:The couple hasn't been charged with a crime, and could regain custody, with some restrictions, after a hearing later this month.
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What? They needed to abuse 12 children to have committed a crime? :banghead:SewingDeb said:The couple hasn't been charged with a crime, and could regain custody, with some restrictions, after a hearing later this month.
gamegirl said:What? They needed to abuse 12 children to have committed a crime? :banghead:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: This positive turn of events for the children - to never have the Gravelle's get custody ever again belongs in the News That Makes You Smile Forum!mysteriew said:They went to court to fight for their children, and on Tuesday afternoon, Michael and Sharen Gravelle, the Ohio couple who kept their kids in cages, found out someone else wants to make sure that doesn't happen.
It was a surprising turn of events. Huron County now says it wants permanent custody of the Gravelle children. This is something that neither the court nor the Gravelles had been prepared for.
If the hearing was allowed to continue and Huron County did not make that request, if the Gravelles did not get custody, the custody still could have gone to the county, but it would have been on a temporary basis. That means there would have been a possibility that the Gravelles could be reunited with their children.
If the county is given permanent custody, the Gravelles would lose parental rights and those 11 children would be up for adoption again.
Gravelle was expressing his joy at the fact that until this new custody hearing, he and his wife will be able to see those kids and they will be able to visit with them until February 22. That's when the permanent custody hearing will begin.
http://ohionewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=4376788
Amraann said:and the wack job social worker too!!!! YAYAYAYAYAY
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!! I totally agree!!!!!:furious: *sings and dances* :boohoo:jannuncutt said:WTF!!!! I am so pi$$ed!! What the hell kind of world are we living in that people are actually debating on whether or not keeping children in cages is okay? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
jannuncutt said:WTF!!!! I am so pi$$ed!! What the hell kind of world are we living in that people are actually debating on whether or not keeping children in cages is okay? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I agree with you. Thanks for a great post!aussieblue said:What the hell kind of world are we living in
I understand jannuncutt that you typed the above as a "figure of speech" so to speak BUT please don't question the world for this.
In my country this would never have happened as it is against policy/law to foster-out children with disabilities to untrained or unrelated foster career/families.
Its not often that children with serious disabilities are even fostered out, they are usually placed in Gov-care homes (these are not institutions).
In my state most of these homes are in normal everyday suburbs. They are normal everyday homes that have been converted (ramps, fittings,security,privacy etc). These homes each have there own profess/trained career staff. Staff consist of 1 home manager plus day staff and night staff (so staffed 24hours-7 days)
I worked in one of these homes part-time for 3 years. All staff are gov approved qualified/trained and police checked.
All staff MUST attended regular training updates (approx every 2 years).
The number of children, ages and their types of disabilities depend on the number of staff. I worked in a home of 6, we had a staff of 5.
There is also a special procedure/policy for adopting kids with special needs and its NOT EASY to adopt and that's the way it should be as they are the most vulnerable in society.
Our states do differ to some small degree in their policies BUT all must follow the Federal Health/disability etc laws.
So i guess what I'm saying is here in aussieland we wouldn't be/aren't debating "the cages". Those cages are abuse, those parents are abusers, no questions there at all!!!!!!!!!
BUT what we are (and in that i mean the people who work/train/teach/associated in the welfare/disability/children/mental health field/s) are debating HOW can so many children who are so serverely disabled/problem ed be adopted out to one couple.
What laws do you have to protect the disabled who are in need of care??????
What type of training do your Child welfare/agencies have when it comes to placements/adoption/follow ups??????
I'm sorry it just blows the mind to think that your gov/state welfare officials/agencies, ALLOWED those 2 people to adopt that number of special-needs children IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Where were the follow ups, the bckg checks??????????
That couple, the cages, the abuse, this court case, all this debating is all because these 2 adults could not cope with all those kids and their disabilities/problems.
:waitasec: Who in their right mind would even think that they could?????????
Strange how the very people/agencies employed to look after the well being of these children thought that couple could. Plus the fact that there are no laws/policies/follow ups/bkg checks saying that they couldn't adopt that many children w/disabilities/probs.
YES the cages are bad enough but whats sickening is the fact that they were allowed to have that number of kids with disabilities/probs to begin with.
So what does this say about your disability laws/policies/child welfare agencies????? and how many more kids are out there at RISK because of them?????????
So i believe What the hell kind of world are we living in should actually be What the hell kind of country are we living in
BTW in no way am i saying my country is perfect/shame free when it comes to kids/people with disabilities. As a mum of 2 kids with disabilities i know all to well our system. I actually joined the system just so i would know how to fight the system.
So my post is based on "the systems" and in my part of the world 1 couple adopting that many disabled children and then caging them because they couldn't cope, It just wouldn't happen here, it couldn't happen here because our laws/policies wouldn't allow those non-related adoptions to begin with!!!!!!!
Charging these parents and locking them up isn't enough here, its just sugar coating for the real problem. To stop this type of abuse your laws/policies on all levels need to be changed, your child welfare agencies need a good kicking up the butt.
This is only 1 of many stories about abuse against adopted/fostered out kids with disabilities here on WS. There are many more here that are more horrific than this one eg:deaf,blind,crippled young female child being used as a sex toy by her foster parents. They made home movies of it all, shared them on the net. Totally sickening.
All countries need to have strict laws/policies in-regards to children with disabilities as they are the easiest to abuse and neglect, they are the most vulnerable.
~aussieblue
About time!:clap: :clap: :clap:Alice253 said:http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2006/03/20/349737.html
A couple charged with abuse for forcing some of their 11 adopted children to sleep in cages were stripped of custody Monday, six months after a social worker discovered the enclosures.
Juvenile Judge Timothy Cardwell said there was a good chance Michael and Sharen Gravelle would mistreat the children again, citing a history of sexual abuse allegations against the father.
SNIP....
"They love their children. They want them back. They are truly devastated," said the couple's attorney, Kenneth Myers. He said they will appeal the ruling.