OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #55

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I agree that we should not attach an unfounded label to him, just looking at his face isn't verifying anything. But still interesting to see the difference. But just for the fact of what they are accused of you got to wonder if they were "on" something. Could they really do that without taking anything to blunt their emotions?
Psychopaths do not have feelings like the rest of us, I doubt they even attended the funerals to try to at least act sad.

I am really curious about Jake's demeanor in his May 2016 interview. I bet all 5 of them had carbon copy stories including Fred because she said:

"None of us were anywhere near that place that night."

...2 Cents...
yeah...but jake admitted to a reporter he was.....must have missed it by hours....sorry CC for typing...still having health issues causing extreme fatigue and weakness.

jmo
 
if you know him and the w's in person you need to get verified as an insider so the rest of us will know the information you are giving is not speculation. I am still having health issues causing extreme fatigue or I would tell you how to get verified but some of the others on here can.

CC or Betty?

jmo

You only need to be verified as an insider if you're providing information about the case that's not currently known to the public, in the news media.
 
yeah...but jake admitted to a reporter he was.....must have missed it by hours....sorry CC for typing...still having health issues causing extreme fatigue and weakness.

jmo

Yes, I'm guessing the reporter will be called to testify about that in court when Jake goes on trial.

ETA: Looks like the camera guy turned the camera off for a while as they continue to wait for the Judge.

ETA2: Camera back on, also audio. Judge still not there

Judge Deering in courtroom
 
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Judge is going over the situation of AG office taking over case initially and now they want to withdraw from handling the prosecution process. Other names given of who is appointed , AC going to Pike County, guy assigned from DeWine's office.

GW4's defense counsel has no objection. Hard to hear defense attorneys again.

Judge has received assurances AG withdrawing means their office will still provide full access to discovery evidence, etc. Junk says it won't be a problem. They are still getting what they need from AG's office and BCI

Judge grants the motion to allow AG to withdraw.

Judge talking about discovery deadlines. Reviewing the amount of discovery given (4-5 terabytes) and June 22 everyone met and organized everything on a shared hard drive. Canepa is making sure all is on both drives. New deadline for that is August 21.

I just missed the part about Sept. 8 deadline.

Motion filed by defense 42-E appropriation of funds for defense experts, court will take it up with defense today.
Motions filed request for bond hearing, request for prosecution to provide transcript of recorded evidence. Will set a date for oral hearing on those motions.

AC? reminded the judge to ask GW4 how he is doing if he's happy with his defense. He was getting ready to adjourn but someone whispered that to the judge.
Adjourned.

Ms Geneva was there, as always, bless her heart. As she was leaving, she stopped, turned around and gave GW4 a look.

GW4's attorney having a long conversation with him.
 
Judge is going over the situation of AG office taking over case initially and now they want to withdraw from handling the prosecution process. Other names given of who is appointed , AC going to Pike County, guy assigned from DeWine's office.

GW4's defense counsel has no objection. Hard to hear defense attorneys again.

Judge has received assurances AG withdrawing means their office will still provide full access to discovery evidence, etc. Junk says it won't be a problem. They are still getting what they need from AG's office and BCI

Judge grants the motion to allow AG to withdraw.

Judge talking about discovery deadlines. Reviewing the amount of discovery given (4-5 terabytes) and June 22 everyone met and organized everything on a shared hard drive. Canepa is making sure all is on both drives. New deadline for that is August 21.

I just missed the part about Sept. 8 deadline.

Motion filed by defense 42-E appropriation of funds for defense experts, court will take it up with defense today.
Motions filed request for bond hearing, request for prosecution to provide transcript of recorded evidence. Will set a date for oral hearing on those motions.

AC? reminded the judge to ask GW4 how he is doing if he's happy with his defense. He was getting ready to adjourn but someone whispered that to the judge.
Adjourned.

Ms Geneva was there, as always, bless her heart. As she was leaving, she stopped, turned around and gave GW4 a look.

GW4's attorney having a long conversation with him.
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TYSM for the narrative. I'm out doing IRL stuff and couldn't watch today. (Real life is really cutting into my "laying around time")
Question. Was anyone there on W's side today?
 
yeah...but jake admitted to a reporter he was.....must have missed it by hours....sorry CC for typing...still having health issues causing extreme fatigue and weakness.

jmo

O/T
I am praying for you to regain health Raisin. I have a chronic illness myself (Lupus) and I've had lots of experience so I understand a lot of how you're feeling.
 
I always thought these are 2 sets of drivers license photos but now you got me wondering if boarder patrol did take the 2nd set of photos? We would have to find out if it's standard procedure for photos to be taken. Because their photos with the laser focus alert were out in the media at that time, it would make sense if BP took photos. I think it took them at least 2 hours to get across the boarder and they had to unpack all their trailers...2 Cents...


How they got two Photos. JMO
1 on Ohio Drivers License. Before Alaska.
The other In Alaska, didn't some change there voter registration?
And maybe when they returned, they got new Ohio License.
Or any combination of the three.
I would say the 1st was lazier focus, Ohio License.
Second is License when arrested.

All my opinion
 
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TYSM for the narrative. I'm out doing IRL stuff and couldn't watch today. (Real life is really cutting into my "laying around time")
Question. Was anyone there on W's side today?

Hey, glad you stopped by! No, I didn't see any non-incarcerated W family there. There haven't been any that I've seen for any of the last 4 hearings. Assume it's because FW is in a "high risk" category for COVID 19 or possibly she's in poor health? JMO
 
Hey, glad you stopped by! No, I didn't see any non-incarcerated W family there. There haven't been any that I've seen for any of the last 4 hearings. Assume it's because FW is in a "high risk" category for COVID 19 or possibly she's in poor health? JMO


BBM

One can only hope.
(Sorry. Lord forgive me. This will probably get flagged but....)

 
BBM

are you saying you know him in person? I do not as I am 800 miles away but those sores on his face sure looked like meth sores.

jmo

hey Raisin I’m sorry for the confusion I don’t know anybody involved in this tragedy nor am I from Ohio. I’ve followed extensively from day one and sadly did a bit of stalking of JW once the laser got focused on them. My bad. His scabs very well could be from methamphetamine addiction for sure.

In my experience with Meth addicts they are very paranoid. They over analyze everything, they can’t stay still. If they’re on a binge these issues get even worse. Hallucinations, paranoia, fiending, anger, frustration, shortness of breath, depression, sleep deprivation. My sister and her husband are avid meth abusers, sadly. One thing I can say for absolute certainty is they Put that horrible drug over their children and as a result lost them to child protective services.

Thc oil is a whole different sleeping giant.

I’ve seen an addict downright turn violent when going through withdrawal. A man of principle, wouldn’t lay a finger on another person before this addiction took over. After it took over he began to develop mannerisms picking at scabs mainly, all over his face and head. The thing is is this drug will still allow you to be cognizant enough to care for a child, or plan a mass murder. In my own personal experiences.

the underlying factor is is this family were killers first then whatever after. IMO. fyi I’m a lurker whom we’ve chatted with before. Always valued your opinions.
 
hey Raisin I’m sorry for the confusion I don’t know anybody involved in this tragedy nor am I from Ohio. I’ve followed extensively from day one and sadly did a bit of stalking of JW once the laser got focused on them. My bad. His scabs very well could be from methamphetamine addiction for sure.

In my experience with Meth addicts they are very paranoid. They over analyze everything, they can’t stay still. If they’re on a binge these issues get even worse. Hallucinations, paranoia, fiending, anger, frustration, shortness of breath, depression, sleep deprivation. My sister and her husband are avid meth abusers, sadly. One thing I can say for absolute certainty is they Put that horrible drug over their children and as a result lost them to child protective services.

Thc oil is a whole different sleeping giant.

I’ve seen an addict downright turn violent when going through withdrawal. A man of principle, wouldn’t lay a finger on another person before this addiction took over. After it took over he began to develop mannerisms picking at scabs mainly, all over his face and head. The thing is is this drug will still allow you to be cognizant enough to care for a child, or plan a mass murder. In my own personal experiences.

the underlying factor is is this family were killers first then whatever after. IMO. fyi I’m a lurker whom we’ve chatted with before. Always valued your opinions.

thank you. not sure my opinions are worth much these days.

I am very ignorant about drugs. can you please explain what "oil" is? keep in mind I am the dummy who asked if you trim off the leaves and stems of a mj plant, whats left? lol. the good people here sent me pics of what is left.

I am so very sorry about your sister and bil. that's a hard thing for loved ones to go through.

I too value your posts and opinions.

jmo
 
thank you. not sure my opinions are worth much these days.

I am very ignorant about drugs. can you please explain what "oil" is? keep in mind I am the dummy who asked if you trim off the leaves and stems of a mj plant, whats left? lol. the good people here sent me pics of what is left.

I am so very sorry about your sister and bil. that's a hard thing for loved ones to go through.

I too value your posts and opinions.

jmo

dabs, shatter, thc oil is all basically just extract from marijuana plants. These extracts are much more potent than your typical high end marijuana plant which would be anywhere from 20% to 25% thc. Extracts are in excess of 50% for the low end oil to 95% for the high end.
 
George Wagner IV Hearing June 30th, 2020

Just wonder if George Wagner iv has a tattoo related to the murders also, in the video you can see a tattoo on his upper left arm, I have no proof but the rumor is that GW4 has a skull with an 8 ball in its mouth with 4 aces behind the skull, there is no proof just here say but the Discovery say George Wagners tattoo it doesn’t say which (George) ??????
 
thank you. not sure my opinions are worth much these days.

I am very ignorant about drugs. can you please explain what "oil" is? keep in mind I am the dummy who asked if you trim off the leaves and stems of a mj plant, whats left? lol. the good people here sent me pics of what is left.

I am so very sorry about your sister and bil. that's a hard thing for loved ones to go through.

I too value your posts and opinions.

jmo

I agree, that information about oils etc. Is very interesting @NotHammerToed . I had no idea that stuff was so powerful in that concentrated form. Recall the shatter busts in the news around the time of the murders. Wonder if Jake and his brother were involved in that biz?
 
Most pot dealers that have access to concentrates sell that as well as the cannabis flower. In states where recreational use is legal, dispensaries sell concentrates as well. I've tried dabs, legally, and it just gets you higher than regular flower. As in so high you just melt into the couch.
 
Most pot dealers that have access to concentrates sell that as well as the cannabis flower. In states where recreational use is legal, dispensaries sell concentrates as well. I've tried dabs, legally, and it just gets you higher than regular flower. As in so high you just melt into the couch.

for the average smoker this will be the outcome. It’s when you start to abuse it then withdraw off of it that’s when it’s true colors start to show.
 
Just wonder if George Wagner iv has a tattoo related to the murders also, in the video you can see a tattoo on his upper left arm, I have no proof but the rumor is that GW4 has a skull with an 8 ball in its mouth with 4 aces behind the skull, there is no proof just here say but the Discovery say George Wagners tattoo it doesn’t say which (George) ??????

I found one Discovery Document about a tattoo that actually says Billy instead of George:
Tattoo - Billy
release form (1 p)

https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/732prfjygw6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

The other Discoveries say this:

George Wagner's Tattoo (1 photo)

So you have a good point - maybe a tattoo on GW4 is also in the evidence?

The release form, mentioned above, comes from the tattoo artist because you have to sign one before getting a tattoo. I will bet you that BCI interviewed Billy's tattoo artist and wanted to find out if Billy talked about why he got his scorpion tatoo. It has always been my opinion that Billy's tattoo in evidence is the scorpion tattoo.

We know the Boondock Saints movie has a connection to silencers but I also found a tattoo connection. Here is what the tattoos look like in the Boondock Saints movie:

Boondock-Saints-Tattoos-42.jpg


The tattoo connection is in the positioning. The position of Billy's scorpion tattoo mirrors the positioning of the Boondock Saints tattoos. Billy's tattoo starts on his hand above his index "trigger" finger and then the body of the scorpion tattoo cascades down that "trigger" finger, just like in the movie.

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