In my opinion, it was a hacked text to make JM look guilty. I have no idea if it was about a red truck, as far as I know, it has never been released what that text was about. MOO
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There was or still may be a lien on that house, possiby by Medicaid. So, she probably would not have made much off that house at that time, now houses have gone up a lot so there would be more equity when the lien is deducted. It was a free place to live at that time though, versus living in Alaska which is much more expensive. Any equity in that house should now go to the civil suit when it is sold, I believe.
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can you imagine what mr manley went thru? as if the slaughter wasnt bad enough, he was forced to defend his surviving children against these terrible accusations. the police and attorneys bias was HEAVY in that first year. speaks to what a great human being he was the way he handled it. nevermind the financial ruin this case put james thru, bail money and fired from his job. he deserves a public apology. imo sherriff reader was a big part of exposing the wagners for the devils they are. considering fw $ and local relationships, which were put on display with the slanted reporting by local media until jake confessed, bci was outright bamboozled for some time. it took a salt of the earth man like reader to see through that "close to the cross" facade. i also dont think timing of the anonymous letter that led to his downfall was a coincidence. mr manley and ms genevas inner strength is incredible. these bs motions and posturing have a real cost for the survivors. im glad mr manley lived to see an arrest, but its tragic he did not get to see all 4 of these creatures convicted. i hope ms geneva lives long enough to see it for herself.This is an extremely important interview with LM after JM’s court appearance. He is asked, do you think the Wagners did it. He also comments on where CRjr was found.
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I agree, my opinion, a hacked text to make a Manley Family member look guilty. Also agree we do not know the true content of the text.
And, while I am speculating about this, I truly believe W’s hacked into or logged onto DR FB and added that plea to ( deceased) BH to watch over them this night more than ever. I believe it was to throw the timeline off, throw suspicion off, and as a “slap in the face” of the Manley Family, DR in particular. Truly monsterous if W’s did this.
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It is also possible that the text never happened. LE is allowed to lie to suspects to try to get a reaction from them.
Something I do not agree with being right. The LE can lie and it is OK but it is not legal for the suspect to lie to LE.
Do you mean LE lied to JM?
i agree the text may not have mentioned the red truck, but implied that Manley vehicle was seen.
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Yes, LE lied to JM about knowing about a text between him and JW just to get a reaction…
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LM had it right almost from the beginning. He was such a proud man and he defended his children's innocence, without doubt and hesitation.
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For many reasons it wouldn't surprise me that Angie "milked" her dad's credit cards and bank accounts for as much $$ money as possible. Remember fraudulent loans which happened after her dad passed (I think but not sure) and remember other crimes that according to Canepa Angie admitted to, and remember the Other Acts Evidence?
A basic trophy case of illegal dealings. When basically "unchecked" you can screw over an estate to a point.
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I hope we hear in court the other crimes the Wagner's committed. With over 300 witnesses it wouldn't surprise me to hear something. Remember according to Other Acts Evidence, Billy may have killed before. Unless I'm remembering it wrong, I think it said may have killed before.
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I would think they will try to suppress as much of the other acts list as possible. They won’t want their name tarnished. Probably will say it has nothing to do with the current case, or that individual, like GWIV, had nothing to do with those… My opinions only….
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IMO, from the limited information we know, prior bad acts are just icing on the cake. None of them matters as far as reaching a conviction on 8 innocent people, as they were preparing for bed or, in fact, in bed. Perhaps the prior bad acts would have played a role in the penalty phase, particularly the death penalty, but I can't see where it matters now. JMO
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I believe in the court notes the judge ruled in favor of the prosecution to use other acts. The state withdrew 3 of the other acts for G4 that pertained to BW.
Evidence Pursuant to 404(B)" filed on February 22, 2021. The withdrawn items stated as follows:
3) Instance of Defendant's father threatening Defendant's mother with a gun.
4) Allegations that Defendant's father has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.
7) Defendant's father/co-defendant threatening Christopher Rhoden, Sr. with a gun within a week of the homicides.
It seems from reading the court notes that the other acts use was granted by the judge.
These are some of the 5-16-22 notes that pertain to other acts.
The Court therefore finds and concludes that the Defendant's Motion No. 82, requesting that this Court issue an order in limine prohibiting the State of Ohio from introducing other acts evidence at trial, is not well taken, and it is ORDERED that Defendant's Motion No. 82 is hereby overruled and denied.
You’re right. A few were removed. In my opinion, I still think the Ws will try to keep them out. They have to try anything they can to not look bad. MOO
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Their names have all been tarnished due to the Other Acts. I think it came out in court that how George treated his EX wife shows a pattern of behavior. I would have to go back to research it but the judge is letting it in.
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The Court therefore finds and concludes that the Defendant's Motion No. 82, requesting that this Court issue an order in limine prohibiting the State of Ohio from introducing other acts evidence at trial, is not well taken, and it is ORDERED that Defendant's Motion No. 82 is hereby overruled and denied.
If the evidence that will be presented at trial relating to Tabitha Claytor is as indicated by the State's Notice and by the Special Prosecuting Attorney's argument, the Court finds that such evidence would also be relevant to show an association-in-fact between the Defendant, and his brother Edward Jacob Wagner, his mother and his father to achieve a common objective, and to show the Defendant's motive in joining the alleged conspiracy and alleged criminal enterprise.
With respect to the five numbered paragraphs shown in the State's Notice filed on February 22, 2021 as relating to Elizabeth Wagner, the Court finds that, if the evidence that will be presented at trial is as indicated by the State's Notice and by the argument of the Special Prosecuting Attorney, such evidence would be relevant to prove the existence of a conspiracy involving the Defendant, his brother, Edward Jacob Wagner, and the Defendant's mother and father and to show the Defendant's motive in joining the alleged conspiracy and alleged criminal enterprise.
With respect to paragraphs 1), 2), 5), 6), 8), 9), 10), 11), 12), and 13), of the final part of the State's Notice filed on February 22, 2021, if the evidence that will be presented is as indicated by the State's Notice and by the Special Prosecuting Attorney's argument, then such evidence would be relevant to show the existence of a conspiracy, a pattern of corrupt activity and the existence of a criminal enterprise and the Defendant's motive in joining the alleged conspiracy and alleged criminal enterprise, as well as to show consciousness of guilt through evidence of the participants' efforts to hamper the investigation, to avoid detection, capture and prosecution, and to plan escape from incarceration.
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Too late. Judge ruled on the Motion to keep most of the Acts in at trial for the jury to hear. Shows George heavily involved in the conspiracy.
George tries to seem all innocent but his being involved in the conspiracy is a big part of the Case that will help convict him.
He will get nailed for murder in my opinion and spend life in prison. We will see in a few months if I am right. In my opinion, even if he got life with parole, the parole board wouldn't let him out. Not on 8 murders. Then there are 14 other charges the defense doesn't even dispute. They said they may dispute them at a later date. Said in a Hearing.
Judge refused to dismiss aggravated murder charges against eldest Wagner son in Pike County massacre
He is accused of taking part in the 2016 Pike County murders.
The prosecution then said Jake did implicate George as being involved in the planning and execution of the shootings on the night in April 2016.
The other charges George Wagner IV faces are conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, four counts of aggravated burglary, three counts of tampering with evidence, one count each of forgery, unauthorized use of property, interception of wire, oral or electronic communications, obstructing justice, and engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity.
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The prior bad acts the judge is letting the jury hear show:
such evidence would be relevant to prove the existence of a conspiracy involving the Defendant, his brother, Edward Jacob Wagner, and the Defendant's mother and father and to show the Defendant's motive in joining the alleged conspiracy and alleged criminal enterprise.
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They may file another motion and try, but the judge has already ruled on the other acts and granted the State to use them. The state withdrew 3.
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The Court notes that at the hearing on May 2, 2022, the State of Ohio withdrew items number 3), 4) and 7) that appear on the fourth page of the State's "Notice of Intent To Use Other Acts Evidence Pursuant to 404(B)" filed on February 22, 2021.
The withdrawn items stated as follows: 3) Instance of Defendant's father threatening Defendant's mother with a gun. 4) Allegations that Defendant's father has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before. 7) Defendant's father/co-defendant threatening Christopher Rhoden, Sr. with a gun within a week of the homicides.
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No rulings made in Wagner IV hearing
WAVERLY — George Wagner IV returned to Pike County Court of Common Pleas on Monday, this time to discuss confessions and audiotape recordings.
WAVERLY — George Wagner IV returned to Pike County Court of Common Pleas on Monday, this time to discuss confessions and audiotape recordings.
Capt. Seth Hagaman, former detective for the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, went to the stand as an expert witness,
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In his law enforcement career starting in 1998, he also became involved in the Rhoden investigation. That involvement was multi-faceted, speaking with George Wagner IV in Montana and identifying where the shoes used in the 2016 murders were purchased.
What he felt was most noteworthy and why he went before the county courthouse was his role as author to 35 intercept warrants.
After more than two-and-a-half hours of discussion, Judge Randy Deering decided to make no rulings until George Wagner IV’s next day in court- scheduled for Tuesday, June 21.
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