OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[Chingaling]

Not the same. Killing someone because they really did sexually abuse your kid vs killing 8 people who never abused your kid and loved your kid.

Molestation = red herring

No one will buy it. That he killed 8 innocent people just in case the mother of his child might accidentally date a child molester some day. It was Angie's way to egg Jake on so she could get custody. The guy Hanna was with treated his daughter just fine. Was good to her.

His daughter was not being abused. This was an excuse to kill. He was defending no one. He is trying to minimize it.

Killing nursing mothers in bed, killing a teen, etc... Because what if some guy in the distant future tries to touch his daughter?

The inmates will see through him. He was jealous and if he couldn't have Hanna, no one could. He and Angie wanted custody and would kill to get it.

He killed 8 people that loved and protected his daughter. He killed no child molesters.

Inmates are not stupid. They see what we see and will treat him how he deserves.

If Jake thought a certain guy was abusing his daughter he would have went after that guy, filed police reports, and fought in court for custody, saying Hanna wasn't a fit mother.

I never did believe it was all about custody, never will either. Yes they had some weird thinking patterns, but something else was going on, I'd bet my last dollar.

 

[Chingaling]

I have a question that I don’t know where to look for the answer. When a post is deleted how do you find out which post it is?

I don't know but if you find out would you please forward the info to me?

 

[Chingaling]

I have a question that I don’t know where to look for the answer. When a post is deleted how do you find out which post it is?

I don't know but if you find out would you please forward the info to me?

 

[rsd1200]

Jmo I believe Angela stated Friday they would discuss the taking the death penalty off outside of public view after Jake finished. Jmo

If it wasn't going to be discussed outside of public view, I think I could have been knocked over with a feather.

 

[24Roses]

Is Jake done testifying and will Angela be testifying tomorrow does anyone think?

Also, this is coming in late and just IMO. But in reference to Jake saying Dana's house had lights on and James Manley saying the lights were off, maybe Jake turned off the lights when they left so they wouldn't be caught in the area with any very late night/ early morning visitors thinking they were awake. It could be as simple as that and IMO. Sorry if this was already suggested.

 

[Betty P]

Is Jake done testifying and will Angela be testifying tomorrow does anyone think?

Also, this is coming in late and just IMO. But in reference to Jake saying Dana's house had lights on and James Manley saying the lights were off, maybe Jake turned off the lights when they left so they wouldn't be caught in the area with any very late night/ early morning visitors thinking they were awake. It could be as simple as that and IMO. Sorry if this was already suggested.

That sure sounds possible. It’s possible by then Jake didnt recall as many details. They had already killed a lot of people at different crime scenes that night. With a newborn baby, Hanna may have had a night light on, too.

 

[Betty P]

I don't know but if you find out would you please forward the info to me?

It’s difficult to tell sometimes. You could ask a Mod, but they’re pretty busy.

 

[Pru2U]

I am going to guess Angela had no idea they could figure out what shoe left that print without having a shoe to compare it to. I admit I had no idea until this trial. I figured you needed a shoe to compare it too. If she thought that also, then just buying shoes and then burning them wouldn't be something she would be worried could be linked to them. I'm sure in their minds they didn't put the shoes on until they were in the back of the truck. They only wore them at the crime scenes and then they were taken off and burned so how would anyone link those prints to their feet even with a receipt for shoes.

I've been thinking for days about the shoe expert & the effect of wearing shoes too small & what the expert might be able to tell. Like, did the foot or heel roll over the side & leave a smudge? Something like that.

Or...wouldn't it be wild if the shoe expert had a clear enough print to detect some sort of abnormality in the foot...like, I don't know, a hammer toe for example?

I know it's out there but a girl can dream, can't she?

 

[twall]

 

[pamelado2]

Isn't Jake the prosecutions witness? If so, can they not go over his original statement with him before he testifies?

 

[Odeto BJ]

Not a lawyer and cannot see the actual plea deal on paper: BUT
If it has been accurately described: BW and GW4 and their lawyers are in a very strange position....if the W's get convicted at trial, and JW's testimony is considered true by the Prosecution: the worst outcome in terms of sentence is LWOP.
If JW is proven to be lying, that deal comes off the table....That would leave GW4 and by extension BW exposed to the DP. So the only way that GW4 and presumably BW can gain at this stage is to let JW tell the story and then prove that 1) the prosecution has not made a sufficient case to satisfy Reasonable Doubt whether JW has lied, or not; or 2) prove that they are each entirely innocent.

 

[Odeto BJ]

It would appear that the defense lawyers trying to trip JW up on some small detail serves no purpose for either the W-men or their lawyers because that would afford the Prosecution the opportunity to dump the plea deal and therfore for the W-men, carries the threat of putting DP back in play.

They still have Angela's testimony to come but if there is no big discrepancy between hers and JW the defense lawyers will have gone through at least the prosecution side of the trail and have no tenable defensive tactic. Could be a plea change in their crystal ball?

Speculation and JMO and without benefit of the details of the plea deal...

 

[justtrish]

Is Jake done testifying and will Angela be testifying tomorrow does anyone think?

Also, this is coming in late and just IMO. But in reference to Jake saying Dana's house had lights on and James Manley saying the lights were off, maybe Jake turned off the lights when they left so they wouldn't be caught in the area with any very late night/ early morning visitors thinking they were awake. It could be as simple as that and IMO. Sorry if this was already suggested.

One of the reporters tweeted that Angela might be Wednesday this week. I will look for the tweet and add if I find it. It was BCI up Monday with the wire tap recordings I think and one other person then Angela possibly Wed.

 

[justtrish]

Found it!

Jake Wagner admits memory issues during cross examination in brother's trial

The defense will continue its cross-examination of the prosecution's star witness, Jake Wagner, in the Pike County massacre trial Friday.

local12.com

Coming up early next week, the gun expert from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is expected to testify about how he reconstructed the murder weapons after they had been cut up, melted, and put in concrete at the bottom of a lake.

Also expected is the introduction of wiretapped conversations between George and Jake while they were driving across country as truckers.

Then George's mother Angela could take the stand as soon as Wednesday. She also pleaded guilty to conspiracy and other charges and faces a sentence of at least 30 years in prison. Her plea deal also requires her to testify against her family.

 

[Niner]

Found it!

Jake Wagner admits memory issues during cross examination in brother's trial

The defense will continue its cross-examination of the prosecution's star witness, Jake Wagner, in the Pike County massacre trial Friday.

local12.com

Coming up early next week, the gun expert from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is expected to testify about how he reconstructed the murder weapons after they had been cut up, melted, and put in concrete at the bottom of a lake.

Also expected is the introduction of wiretapped conversations between George and Jake while they were driving across country as truckers.

Then George's mother Angela could take the stand as soon as Wednesday. She also pleaded guilty to conspiracy and other charges and faces a sentence of at least 30 years in prison. Her plea deal also requires her to testify against her family.

Dang - I can not access the article - can someone give me the name of the gun expert from OBCI ?? Thanks! :0

and @arielilane - hoping you will grab the tweets for today - kind of busy this morning!

 

[Niner]

Monday, October 31st:
*Trial continues (Day 33) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table only for Jake if his testimony is truthful. But George still faces the DP as he did not take a deal.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 8 to 9 weeks (56-63 days).
Added note: Regarding shoe sizes: Jake wore the size 10.5 & George the 11.
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-31 (9/12 to 10/26/22) no court on 10/27/22 reference post #882 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-80.641348/page-45
Docket updates: 10/14/22: Subpoena issued to Barbara Moore 7 Brittany Coon. 10/17/22: Motion #113 defendant's motion for cautionary instruction filed by Nash & Parker. 10/18/22 Subpoena issued to Shawn Floyd, FCSO. 10/21/22: Motion & order for sealing filed. Request for Court paid expert expenses (sealed per court order). Subpoena issued to Elizabeth Armer. 10/25/22 Return of service of Subpoena to Elizabeth Armer-served 10/21/22. 10/25/22 Withdrawal of defendant's Motion 112 filed. #112: Defendant's motion to allow witness to testify remotely. 10/26/22: Subpoena issued to Gregory W. Myers & William J. Mooney (Jake's attorneys). 10/27/22: Subpoena issued on Gregory W. Myers.
10/28/22 Update: Jake's lawyers filed Motion to Quash subpoena for their notes citing attorney/client privilege. Hearing was held in chambers. Motion to quash subpoena-granted.
10/28/22 Friday, Trial Day 32: State witness: Defense attorney John Parker on cross examination of Edward Jacob “Jake” Wagner, brother of George. Opted out on audio & video.
For more info see posts #926, 929 & 937 (Motion to Quash) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-80.641348/page-47
For more info see posts #987, 988, 993, 998 & 1000 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-80.641348/page-50
for more info see posts #19 & 20 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...e-4-members-wagner-family-arrested-81.641769/
Defense attorney John Parker on cross examination & redirect by Angela Canepa & re-direct of Edward Jacob “Jake” Wagner.
For more info see posts #70 & 80 (article) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-81.641769/page-4
For more info see post #111 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mbers-wagner-family-arrested-81.641769/page-6
Also, at the end of the day, Wagner's attorney asked for the death specifications to be removed from his aggravated murder charges. Prosecutor says they will discuss that but not in a public forum. Trial continues on Monday, 10/31/22.

 

[Betty P]

Not a lawyer and cannot see the actual plea deal on paper: BUT
If it has been accurately described: BW and GW4 and their lawyers are in a very strange position....if the W's get convicted at trial, and JW's testimony is considered true by the Prosecution: the worst outcome in terms of sentence is LWOP.
If JW is proven to be lying, that deal comes off the table....That would leave GW4 and by extension BW exposed to the DP. So the only way that GW4 and presumably BW can gain at this stage is to let JW tell the story and then prove that 1) the prosecution has not made a sufficient case to satisfy Reasonable Doubt whether JW has lied, or not; or 2) prove that they are each entirely innocent.

We’ve gone over this a few times, but GW4 and Billy became eligible for the DP as soon as they made the decision to go to trial.
That’s why they are both being represented specifically by death penalty qualified attorneys, at taxpayer expense. All of this was argued and decided in court during pre trial hearings.

LWOP is only available if the thugs enter a plea agreement. If they go to trial, the judge determines the sentence.

Apparently there are some reporters who are getting this wrong.

 

[Betty P]

Dang - I can not access the article - can someone give me the name of the gun expert from OBCI ?? Thanks! :0

and @arielilane - hoping you will grab the tweets for today - kind of busy this morning!

Last name White? Matthew White.

Firearms expert connects spent ammo from crime lab to crime scenes in Pike County murder trial

Expert thinks SKS 7.62x39, Colt 1911 22 pistol used in 2016 Pike County massacre

www.wlwt.com

 

[Niner]

Last name White? Matthew White.

Firearms expert connects spent ammo from crime lab to crime scenes in Pike County murder trial

Expert thinks SKS 7.62x39, Colt 1911 22 pistol used in 2016 Pike County massacre

www.wlwt.com

I think there are 2 Whites in this trial... if I am remembering correctly.

 

[Betty P]

I think there are 2 Whites in this trial... if I am remembering correctly.

I think the firearms guy, the one with the stylish beard, is Matthew White, per the article above. I’m assuming he would be the most qualified to put the guns back together.