OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[dgfred]

I wonder if BW was always armed around CR.

 

[Cool Cats]

He shouldn't have worried too much... he could have just buried them or sunk them on his/their property. Worried about dirt? Gosh

We know he burned them but this wouldn't work if he had Peterson Rd dirt on his shoes, then the Peterson Rd dirt gets on the victim's floors. I think he was worried about tracking something from the bottom of his new shoes onto the floors of the victim's homes or porches or even outside their homes.

It is possible to wear shoes at your own home then something from your home sticks to the bottom of your shoes, then you go to someone else's home and it comes off your shoe and gets left at that other person's home. Could be dirt, sand, cleaning chemical, food particles, pet hair or who knows what. Any number of things get stuck in the tread of shoes.

But being that concerned about his shoes - yet not trying to cover up or at least smear - his footprints at Chris's is odd. To walk in blood and not seem to care your leaving bloody prints is very careless.

And I wish we knew why they moved the bodies to the back bedroom, that can cause all kinds of forensic evidence transfers. All I can think of is that they were afraid, before they finished at the other homes, that someone would stop by super late and peak in the windows because no one would answer the door.

 

[dgfred]

You are right CC... but the dirt could have been there before on one of their many 'visits'.

 

[PrairieWind]

I wonder if BW was always armed around CR.

It wouldn't surprise me. They were in the drug business. It wouldn't surprise me if both weren't' always armed.

 

[Cool Cats]

You are right CC... but the dirt could have been there before on one of their many 'visits'.

I do not think Jake was going over to Chris's, I don't see any reason he would. I can see why Billy would, but not Jake or George. It could have been a long time since Jake was even in Chris's house.

Also, if Jake left dirt or animal hair - or any number of other things - ON TOP of any blood, that shows that the dirt (or anything else) was left AFTER the murders.

It's only after the murders that anything could possibly be left on top of the blood.

I remember this from a Columbo TV show. A man was shot and killed and it was made to look like he committed suicide, but Columbo found the victim's blood UNDER the dropped gun, not ON TOP of the gun. If the victim committed suicide he would have shot himself, dropped the gun, then dripped his blood on top of the gun. The victim was found sitting at his desk and had been bleeding. The gun was on the floor next to him. The killer set the gun on the floor on top of the blood.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Mr. JUNK
Please use your outside voice.

I don't know why I am always so far off when I picture people just based on their name...I thought he would be tall and dark haired and a Sam Waterston type guy, sort of sharp in the courtroom. Eh, way off.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't know why I am always so far off when I picture people just based on their name...I thought he would be tall and dark haired and a Sam Waterston type guy, sort of sharp in the courtroom. Eh, way off.

HA! But we have some posters comparing the other male prosecutor (Andrew Wilson) to Clark Kent!

Cases of Wagner family accused in Ohio murders take years to prosecute, cost taxpayers thousands of dollars

Family accused of Ohio murders will spend years in court

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Sam Waterston - Wikipedia

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Sam Waterston and Rob Junk

 

[Betty P]

It wouldn't surprise me. They were in the drug business. It wouldn't surprise me if both weren't' always armed.

When BCI processed the scene at Chris Sr's home, I don't think he had any guns laying around. He had quite a few locked up in a gun safe, but that was it. Kind of surprised me, but not everyone who lives in the country keeps a gun around all the time.

It was the same with their tox screens. Many assumed that people in the MJ business would be getting high, yet, with the exception of Gary Rhoden, none of the other victims had anything more than caffeine in their systems. No booze, no MJ, no drugs.

 

[ohioexpat63]

When BCI processed the scene at Chris Sr's home, I don't think he had any guns laying around. He had quite a few locked up in a gun safe, but that was it. Kind of surprised me, but not everyone who lives in the country keeps a gun around all the time.

It was the same with their tox screens. Many assumed that people in the MJ business would be getting high, yet, with the exception of Gary Rhoden, none of the other victims had anything more than caffeine in their systems. No booze, no MJ, no drugs.

Those sterotypes....

 

[justtrish]

Recent items on the docket. Silas Wagner has been subpoenaed by AC.

Here is where you can search if you'd like to look up each person. I try to check every other day or so.

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/searchresults.page?x=K6TyAus*dv7TdLYAP-yavKTdFcsLhGoNRwYCRaV6KBGpFf0qmLl*k6l85qpf8wkenjauysWKE*VgNHvjGS68hg

10/31/2022	JOURNAL ENTRY - THIS CAUSE CAME ON FOR HEARING ON OCTOBER 28, 2022; THE COURT FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT EDWARD JACOB WAGNER HAS NOT WAIVED THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEDGE AND THAT THE ORAL MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTED BY THE DEFENDANT IS NOT WELL TAKEN, AND THE SAID ORAL MOTION IS OVERRULED AND DENIED; HOWEVER, ATTORNEYS FOR DEFENDANT SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE CROSS-EXAMINATION OF EDWARD JACOB WAGNER, WITH BROAD LATITUDE BEING AFFORDED; THE COURT FURTHER FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT THE MOTION TO QUASH FILED BY ATTORNEY GREGORY W MEYERS IS WELL TAKEN AND SAME IS GRANTED, AND IT IS ORDERED THE ABOVE-MENTIONED SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM ISSUED FOR ATTORNEY MEYERS ON OCTOBER 27, 2022 IS QUASHED
10/31/2022	MOTION AND ORDER TO SEAL FILING (ALL SEALED BY ORDER)
10/31/2022	SUBPOENA ISSUED TO SILAS WAGNER Attorney: CANEPA, ANGELA R
10/31/2022	SHERIFFS RETURN ON SUBPOENA -- SILAS WAGNER SERVED 10/31/22

 

[snickums]

Who is Silas Wagner? Never heard of him

 

[Johnny B Bad]

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Who is Silas Wagner? Never heard of him

Billy Wagners uncle! JMO

 

[Betty P]

Who is Silas Wagner? Never heard of him

The guy they bought the murder truck from?

 

[justtrish]

Who is Silas Wagner? Never heard of him

I believe it was said today in court that they bought the truck they used that night off Silas Wagner. I think that is Billy's dad's youngest brother (so Billy's uncle).

 

[gizmobtj]

I don’t know, I haven’t listened to it. It probably spread around on social media. The recording and release of it are probably under investigation by BCI.

Possibly but in Ohio, first offense of criminal contempt of court is 30 or less days in jail or a $250 fine or both. And Ohio's Shield Law provides the reporter almost absolute protection from turning over information that would reveal a source. So, seems hardly worth it or feasible ...

Section 2705.05 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

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Ohio Protections for Sources and Source Material | Digital Media Law Project

www.dmlp.org

 

[gizmobtj]

If her assault happened as a young girl, age 18/19, over a thousand miles from home? Well, yes, she was a victim of the person who assaulted her. I've been assaulted. It happens to stay with you. Thankfully one of the most scaring, was by a drunk, and I got away. That was not the first time, and I was barely over 18. I never discount someone's view, who's been physically/sexually assaulted, of the world around them. That's just me though.

Totally possible to a victim, a prep and a rescuer. Most people have a little of all three in them

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Recent items on the docket. Silas Wagner has been subpoenaed by AC.

Here is where you can search if you'd like to look up each person. I try to check every other day or so.

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/searchresults.page?x=K6TyAus*dv7TdLYAP-yavKTdFcsLhGoNRwYCRaV6KBGpFf0qmLl*k6l85qpf8wkenjauysWKE*VgNHvjGS68hg

10/31/2022	JOURNAL ENTRY - THIS CAUSE CAME ON FOR HEARING ON OCTOBER 28, 2022; THE COURT FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT EDWARD JACOB WAGNER HAS NOT WAIVED THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEDGE AND THAT THE ORAL MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTED BY THE DEFENDANT IS NOT WELL TAKEN, AND THE SAID ORAL MOTION IS OVERRULED AND DENIED; HOWEVER, ATTORNEYS FOR DEFENDANT SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE CROSS-EXAMINATION OF EDWARD JACOB WAGNER, WITH BROAD LATITUDE BEING AFFORDED; THE COURT FURTHER FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT THE MOTION TO QUASH FILED BY ATTORNEY GREGORY W MEYERS IS WELL TAKEN AND SAME IS GRANTED, AND IT IS ORDERED THE ABOVE-MENTIONED SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM ISSUED FOR ATTORNEY MEYERS ON OCTOBER 27, 2022 IS QUASHED
10/31/2022	MOTION AND ORDER TO SEAL FILING (ALL SEALED BY ORDER)
10/31/2022	SUBPOENA ISSUED TO SILAS WAGNER Attorney: CANEPA, ANGELA R
10/31/2022	SHERIFFS RETURN ON SUBPOENA -- SILAS WAGNER SERVED 10/31/22

I like it. I like it. He can put George at the "purchase" of the murder truck.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Totally possible to a victim, a prep and a rescuer. Most people have a little of all three in them

We know that some victims go on to victimize others, passing the trauma from generation to generation.

 

[gizmobtj]

jakes testimony/plea was a huge win for the families far as convictions go and no more gaslighting odd off the wall alternate theories by defense lawyers. however the results justice wise are disgusting. our criminal court justice system is an absolute joke. reasonable doubt has turned into "beyond a shadow of a doubt" these 4 freaks murdered 8 people in cold blood. anyone of them could have stopped it. it was a crime against humanity not just the rhodens. even with all the evidence and thorough investigation they still had to make a deal with the literal devil. this is due to the fact that convicting a murderer without dna or a video of the killing nearly impossible. the problem with precedant law in criminal proceedings is that it only increases the killers rights but never diminishes them. appeal results are either confirmig the previous precedent or increasing the protection of killers by the appeal court enhancing the precedent. slowly but surely this equation has benefitted defense lawyers pockets and the ease to commit murder without paying for it. the fear of a mistrial or appeal becomes so likely that during the initial trial so much deference is shown to the defendant so as to not have an issue on appeal. the problem is this comes at the expense of the victims and survivors. i would have rather seen the state roll the dice without jake if it meant taking the dp off for all 4. this deal is a travesty of justice and sign of the times. everyone seems to be obsessed with danger of "mistrial" in the incident of the recording has no effect on the fariness of the trial at all. except that it goes against deerings decision which i believe missaplied the law to begin with. how does jakes testimony being heard equal not having a fair trial??

I can get on board with a lot of what you are saying but we now using "Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt" as our standard? Really?

Only 2 percent of federal defendants go trial and federal conviction rate is more than 99 percent. It means more than 99.99 percent of federal defendants whose charges are not dropped are either convicted or plead guilty. And state conviction rates at trial range from 60 percent to 90 percent.

Yet, we continue to let out innocent people -- and those are only the ones where there is DNA, someone confesses or something wild happens.

If anything, we need to stop being sheep and have a little more doubt.

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants went to trial in 2018, and most who did were found guilty

Trials are rare in the federal criminal justice system: Just 2% of criminal defendants went to trial in fiscal 2018. Acquittals are even rarer.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[gizmobtj]

Very interesting about George. I do have a couple of the pics, but never saw the G3 tidbit. If he was 15, that would be around '76 and that would be around the time they inc. FWF (I think). I've seen info, unverified, of another male child. That may be G3. Thank you for sharing.

The only reason I can come up with, is the reason you cam up with. He'd never want T.C. to have 'vine back. His shoddy piece of paper was worthless in a court, I do believe, had he died that night. It's worthless now. His efforts to stop her from getting him after he was arrested were worthless. Seems surface research may have been all that they did.

It would have been 1986 that he was 15