OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

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PIKE COUNTY, Ohio —

A town woke up one morning to the horror that eight people were brutally killed. The Rhoden family suffered an unthinkable loss eight times over on one late April night in 2016. And years would go by before an arrest was made, and the massacre of an entire family still haunts Pike County, Ohio to this day. On April 22, 2021 Edward Jake Wagner pleads guilty and agrees to testify against family members.

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[Tiff23fr]

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Starting new thread for testimony in Wagner murder trial in Pike County. Also just learned appeals court ruled in media's favor allowing us to photograph and video any exhibit or evidence shown in court. It's up to us whether to publish or broadcast. Thanks
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[Tiff23fr]

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[justtrish]

They finally finished for the day. Resuming the evidence stuff tomorrow at 8am and the jury reports at 9. They agreed they would come in early to get through some more of this and then possibly resume after the witnesses tomorrow to see if they can finish up admitting the evidence. Agreed to work around the jurors/witnesses since they are set to arrive at 9am. Sounds like a good plan.

 

[Tena]

This trial is so baffling to me and I have sat in a few murder trials. Not has tedious as this one though. I have never seen defense witnesses testify before the State rest their case. I always thought whatever exhibits were marked evidence before the jury, were just that...State's evidence and the jury would have access during their deliberations. Why are the proceedings we are seeing now not done before the trial began...smh

 

[Cool Cats]

I was googling some things about defendants taking the stand and I came across one statement that said generally I'd only put the defendant on the stand if they were the equalivent of Mother Teresa and needed to prove self defense or if the client insists. It's never a good idea to give the client over to the total control of the state.

Mother Teresa = George.. I think not. So I think unless George insists, it will likely be a no.

Mother Teresa = George.......Had to chuckle at this!

 

[justtrish]

Mother Teresa = George.......Had to chuckle at this!

HA! As I read that I just had flashes of George ranting and threatening BCI agents, him screaming at his son about the bad people going to take him, him yelling at Jake for 45 minutes.. I thought yeah probably not thinking he's the Mother Teresa of Ohio.

I doubt many of us would fall in that category of the Mother Teresa like person so it wasn't specifically meant to say it's just George, but after hearing what we have, I just don't think they'd advise him to take the stand. Especially since his mother and brother did. Maybe the defense hopes the dislike for those 2 will be a factor and putting George on the stand might just give the jurors the idea they are all 3 the same. I think those recordings definitely didn't help separate him from the others. Maybe them calling everyone that has good things to say about George is their way of showing he is different?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I don't know... I see Zero defense of the actual charges. What are they going for anyway?

They better hire Raisin as a consultant... and fast.

Wow why me?

 

[iridized]

This trial is so baffling to me and I have sat in a few murder trials. Not has tedious as this one though. I have never seen defense witnesses testify before the State rest their case. I always thought whatever exhibits were marked evidence before the jury, were just that...State's evidence and the jury would have access during their deliberations. Why are the proceedings we are seeing now not done before the trial began...smh

This is definitely not how it is done in my state. And we have had trials with scores, yes scores, more victims. Then again,we have modern courtrooms with computer access (along with judges that know how to use them), audio/visual equipment (along with courtroom personnel that know how to use them), and everything else one might expect to use in this year of 2022. And it has been that way for years along with sunshine laws. If nothing else, this trial has shown how backward this county's court system is, and the state throwing money at it as they did sure did not help.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have suspected that maybe the defense thinks he was involved. Let's say the believe he was involved, they can't ask questions that they know will produce a lie right? They can't present an alibi witness because if they know he was with them, then anyone they present to say George was with us, will be a lie. So instead they are presenting the suggestion that he was home. They have put on witness after witness about George being a nice guy, George was a good worker, etc.

I'd say they will put the BCI agent on the stand that said you are a witness or a participant or something like that to show BCI wsa trying to manipulate him into saying he was involved. They have picked apart each state witness to show they might be lying. Then they have an expert say it's possible one person can do this alone, but that person can't say for sure it was only 1 person. They aren't suggesting only one person did it either, they were trying to show Jake admitted to all 8 and this expert says it could have been done by 1.

I am starting to think they are defending him in a way that is legal to do even if they believe he did it.

IANAL so I could be wrong, but just what we've seen so far maybe it isn't so much trying to present him an alibi because that would be a lie and they know it?

Lots of assumptions on what the defense knows and is thinking in your post. I like to deal in facts. The fact is we do not know what George told his attorneys. So saying the defense attorneys is tailoring their defense on the assumption that George told them he was guilty is just plain wrong.


JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

What I meant by what i posted is I believe that SW was in a safe and loving home living with Hanna May Rhodens! JMO
the defense is trying to make the victims look horrible!

I understand what you meant. AC keeps wanting to introduce pics from FR and HG's home showing messiness, so IMO both sides are guilty of wrongs.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Just to add to the confusion; At least mine, anyway.

There was a size 11, and based on a toe impression, a 10.5, shoe size left at CR1's. They found one size 11 print at DR's.

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She was on her phone, well, on FB, according to JW Was she using her phone for FB? (Did he finish her post for her? View attachment 379958)

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• The brothers and their fathers then went to Dana Manley-Rhoden’s house. The door was unlocked, and they all went inside.
  
  
  
• He said George and Billy were both inside that house, and that George had his .40-caliber Glock pistol out and even had it in Jake’s face as he came out of a bedroom. Jake Testifies at bro's trial

I thought G4 was said to have used an SKS. His own iirc. What did Big Daddy Billy have?
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From link below: Jake indicated that he wore the size 10 and a half that night and that george wore the size 11 that night
um and you will see that that size 11 that i told you that was in scene 3 at dana's place is almost exactly where he
says that george was stationed to make sure that little chris didn't come out of his room. Jake's Proffer in Opening Statements

There is a high probability to link donor DNA to the shoe sole for up to 300-400 steps, regardless of the underground, blood location, and amount of blood. (that's .14 to .19 miles for an average 6' male) A lot of driving was done so there should have been some blood traces picked up by luminol, at DR's, if they were the same bloody shoeprints at CR1's, or so it seems, although I'm not a professional in that area by any means. Persistence of blood (DNA/RNA) on shoe soles under varying casework related conditions
JW says his father was standing right beside GW4, while JW was murdering all three people at DR's. They were concerned about the 16 y/o coming out and killing them? Nooo, I have never bought that.I'd have been more concerned about DR pulling something out of her bedside drawer, and firing when she saw JW (through her closed, oops, opened, uhm, closed, bedroom door ).

Out of curiosity, has anyone found a link, as to what size of shoe that G3 wears? I may be looking over his shoe info. TIA!

The only testimony about shoe size was I think by a BCI agent, maybe Ryan S, who said the pile of boots found at Browns during the search were size 12 and believed to belong to Billy.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

After really thinking about how they have presented the defense so far and what they said in opening, I think they might believe George is guilty. If that is the case they can't put in on the stand can they? I guess they could, but they can't ask him certain questions right? Or if they think he is going to lie they can't do that?

If he wants to testify, he probably can. People today don't always put much stock in honesty, but pretty sure the witness stand in court is still a place where you can go to jail for lying.

When people complain about the state objecting to playing the audio of GW4 lying...I mean, being interviewed by BCI at the Montana border, its only fair to suggest they allow him to testify in court to re-enact the experience.

 

[Betty P]

The only testimony about shoe size was I think by a BCI agent, maybe Ryan S, who said the pile of boots found at Browns during the search were size 12 and believed to belong to Billy.

JMO

I'll look that up. I recall his shoe size being 14. He's 6'5", pretty sure. Big guy.

 

[rsd1200]

My Post, Thread 83, Post #974.

There is a high probability to link donor DNA to the shoe sole for up to 300-400 steps, regardless of the underground, blood location, and amount of blood. (that's .14 to .19 miles for an average 6' male) A lot of driving was done so there should have been some blood traces picked up by luminol, at DR's, if they were the same bloody shoeprints at CR1's, or so it seems, although I'm not a professional in that area by any means. Persistence of blood (DNA/RNA) on shoe soles under varying casework related conditions
JW says his father was standing right beside GW4, while JW was murdering all three people at DR's. They were concerned about the 16 y/o coming out and killing them? Nooo, I have never bought that.I'd have been more concerned about DR pulling something out of her bedside drawer, and firing when she saw JW (through her closed, oops, opened, uhm, closed, bedroom door ).

The Point of my post, linked above, was NOT that they needed to track victim DNA, but that of the Persistence of blood on shoe soles. Luminol should have shown the victim's blood on DR's flooring, had there been any left on the bottom of the soles. I find that pertinent. It would have actually HELPED the prosecution. JM2 Link below.

Persistence of blood (DNA/RNA) on shoe soles under varying casework related conditions

Again; Out of curiosity, has anyone found a link, as to what size of shoe that G3 wears? I may be looking over his shoe info. TIA!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This trial is so baffling to me and I have sat in a few murder trials. Not has tedious as this one though. I have never seen defense witnesses testify before the State rest their case. I always thought whatever exhibits were marked evidence before the jury, were just that...State's evidence and the jury would have access during their deliberations. Why are the proceedings we are seeing now not done before the trial began...smh

Most of the disorganization of this trial can be laid at Canepa's door. The woman simply does not have her shyte together.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is definitely not how it is done in my state. And we have had trials with scores, yes scores, more victims. Then again,we have modern courtrooms with computer access (along with judges that know how to use them), audio/visual equipment (along with courtroom personnel that know how to use them), and everything else one might expect to use in this year of 2022. And it has been that way for years along with sunshine laws. If nothing else, this trial has shown how backward this county's court system is, and the state throwing money at it as they did sure did not help.

This trial could have been over in a week had it not been for Canepa's insistence that they show every piece of evidence against jake and Angie alone. She effectively tried Jake and Angie before the jury and proved their guilt to the jury. It might not be a good thing for her to have proved to the jury that Jake and Angie were proved guilty right before their eyes of murdering 8 people.

JMO