OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

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I think she is Robin Wagner according to what others are saying. She is the daughter of Fredricka Wagner and aunt of GWIV. She is also Jake W's aunt and sister to Billy W and SIL to Angela W.
I thought that might be her, and i have actually sen her a few other places around and she looks so lost and i do feel very badly for her. I am also family of someone in the prison system and thankfully they did not kill anyone but you just feel as though everyone looks at you different now, even though you had nothing what so ever to do with what they did to get sentenced to prison, however that person is someone you have loved dearly and you can't just stop loving them, it is a horrible situation to be in.
 
So given the timeline that Betty posted, what is everyone's general consensus on when LE zeroed in on the Waggies? I dont have a link on hand, but I remember Dewine saying something along the lines of there was a major development about a month before the searches. The media asked him why the zeroed in on the Waggies properties & he said they had made progress on the case in the previous month. That wasn't Dewines exact quote, but it was along those lines. I believe that something happened in April 17 that turned the tide. Obviously it wasn't as concrete as the Silencer or parts discovered on 10/30, but something of great significance as far as circumstantial evidence. JMO

I will do some research this afternoon and come back w/ a more detailed post w/ links.
 
Moving to extend time to file motions indefinitely at present. Prosecution and court say ok. Will allow for discovery, may change later.

No contact order - same request for GW4 as for AW. Defense says they have cautioned their client not to do direct or indirect contact. Court approves "no contact" order for GW4 .

Expert fees - asking for appropriations w/o revealing to state what is being contracted (expert witnesses?) granted

Another motion? Didn't hear all.

Prosecution notes GW4 is in civvies, though permission had not been granted. Clothing approved by guards, says defense. No one seemed to have a problem with it.

Adjourned
 
I thought that might be her, and i have actually sen her a few other places around and she looks so lost and i do feel very badly for her. I am also family of someone in the prison system and thankfully they did not kill anyone but you just feel as though everyone looks at you different now, even though you had nothing what so ever to do with what they did to get sentenced to prison, however that person is someone you have loved dearly and you can't just stop loving them, it is a horrible situation to be in.

I feel ya, same here. I feel for RW, and her and her bro, and his family too.
 
So given the timeline that Betty posted, what is everyone's general consensus on when LE zeroed in on the Waggies? I dont have a link on hand, but I remember Dewine saying something along the lines of there was a major development about a month before the searches. The media asked him why the zeroed in on the Waggies properties & he said they had made progress on the case in the previous month. That wasn't Dewines exact quote, but it was along those lines. I believe that something happened in April 17 that turned the tide. Obviously it wasn't as concrete as the Silencer or parts discovered on 10/30, but something of great significance as far as circumstantial evidence. JMO

I will do some research this afternoon and come back w/ a more detailed post w/ links.
I believe just a month or 2 after the murders. When reader told the reporter there’s no evidence of a cartel and everything leads him to believe the killers are local. The reporter asked “100%?” Reader replied “that is my belief”
 
So given the timeline that Betty posted, what is everyone's general consensus on when LE zeroed in on the Waggies? I dont have a link on hand, but I remember Dewine saying something along the lines of there was a major development about a month before the searches. The media asked him why the zeroed in on the Waggies properties & he said they had made progress on the case in the previous month. That wasn't Dewines exact quote, but it was along those lines. I believe that something happened in April 17 that turned the tide. Obviously it wasn't as concrete as the Silencer or parts discovered on 10/30, but something of great significance as far as circumstantial evidence. JMO

I will do some research this afternoon and come back w/ a more detailed post w/ links.

That's a very interesting topic for discussion. Still a mystery to me, but yes, there seemed to be a turning point around that time . JMO, the GPS trackers on JM's truck and his arrest for tampering, etc. made no sense to me. Unless JM knew something and became and informant for LE (which I still doubt) it didn't accomplish much except to publicly disgrace the Manleys. LE had no guarantee that JM would destroy the GPS, allowing them some leverage against him to obtain secret info.

JM would had no incentive to collaborate with the Wags, JMO. And after his arrest, JM would have no value when it came to getting in with the W's and learn what they were up to.

I'm still really confused by the whole thing. o_O
 
I believe just a month or 2 after the murders. When reader told the reporter there’s no evidence of a cartel and everything leads him to believe the killers are local. The reporter asked “100%?” Reader replied “that is my belief”

I recall an interview, with DeWine IIRC, who said something about Dept of Homeland Security investigating and found there were no connections to international cartels, etc. That still wouldn't rule out US based cartel activity, maybe DEA investigated and also determined no cartel involvement. Just putting this out there as a possible part of the reason.
Remember, though, DeWine's statement at the arrests that there was and "undercurrent of drugs".

Pike County Murders: 'The People Who Did It Are In Custody'
 
That's a very interesting topic for discussion. Still a mystery to me, but yes, there seemed to be a turning point around that time . JMO, the GPS trackers on JM's truck and his arrest for tampering, etc. made no sense to me. Unless JM knew something and became and informant for LE (which I still doubt) it didn't accomplish much except to publicly disgrace the Manleys. LE had no guarantee that JM would destroy the GPS, allowing them some leverage against him to obtain secret info.

JM would had no incentive to collaborate with the Wags, JMO. And after his arrest, JM would have no value when it came to getting in with the W's and learn what they were up to.

I'm still really confused by the whole thing. o_O

I now think the W's came to their attention fairly early. Right before Reader came out with the "It's locals" statement. That would have been after they ruled out any Mexicans or gang members out of the big city. I am going to say in the first couple of months.

I think James got dragged in because of the text. I think they found that text early on in their investigation of the W's and that GPS was to see if he went to their house or met them somewhere. They would have had to rule James out of the equation after they centered on the W's and I think that was their way of doing it.

JMO
 
Anyone else note the b&w clothing on the side of the Rs/HHG today? I'm wondering if it's sort of solidarity/mourning type of expression. I don't think it is happenstance, two hearings in a row. 'Course, I wear a lot of black myself and noted that LM does too, sooooo, could be they just like black too. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
 
Did anyone hear the Defense at the end when talking about street clothes? The one to our left as we looked said they had checked GWs clothing and found nothing untoward p, or words to that effect.

So who was writing on the clothing sent in to Angie? Hmmmm.
 
Did anyone hear the Defense at the end when talking about street clothes? The one to our left as we looked said they had checked GWs clothing and found nothing untoward p, or words to that effect.

So who was writing on the clothing sent in to Angie? Hmmmm.

Yes, I heard something like that. I can’t quote but it gave me the impression that there was a problem with something in or on the clothing. What clothing? Seemed as though it had to be clothing brought on Monday for Angela, as she appeared in non civilian clothes when we expected otherwise. I’m guessing “someone” may have put a note in a pocket or on the clothing and it was found by deputies. More interesting, what would the note have said? Incriminating info. ? Innocent chatter?
This is all my supposition after hearing the exchange ...
 
Yes, I heard something like that. I can’t quote but it gave me the impression that there was a problem with something in or on the clothing. What clothing? Seemed as though it had to be clothing brought on Monday for Angela, as she appeared in non civilian clothes when we expected otherwise. I’m guessing “someone” may have put a note in a pocket or on the clothing and it was found by deputies. More interesting, what would the note have said? Incriminating info. ? Innocent chatter?
This is all my supposition after hearing the exchange ...
Or wrote on the inside of it.
 
I made these notes for me, but thought maybe some of ya'll might find them useful too.

In order to give any of them Death Penalty, there are six steps;

Six Essential Steps in Ohio Death Sentence Process
When a criminal defendant elects a trial by jury, R.C. 2929.03 and R.C. 2929.04 establish the requirements of imposing a death sentence.

To face a death sentence in Ohio, a defendant must be charged with aggravated murder and at least one specification of an aggravating circumstance.

Next, Ohio’s prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of the aggravated murder and any specification. A jury must find the defendant guilty of both...

Once the defendant has been found guilty of both by the jury, the accused will be sentenced either to death or life imprisonment.

At that point, the trial enters the sentencing phase, and a jury is presented with information including presentence-investigation reports, a statement by the offender, evidence of aggravating circumstances that could lead a jury to issue a more severe sentence, and mitigating circumstances that could lead the jury to issue a more lenient sentence. For a jury to select a death sentence, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the aggravating circumstances outweigh the mitigating factors.

Once the jury finds the aggravating circumstances outweigh the mitigating factors, the jury must recommend a death sentence to the trial judge.

As the last key step, if the jury recommended a death sentence, the trial judge then independently assesses whether the aggravating circumstances outweigh the mitigating sentences. If the judge agrees with the jury, the judge can impose a death sentence... Unlike the jury, the trial judge must state in an opinion why the aggravating circumstances outweigh the mitigating circumstances.

Ohio Death Penalty Sentencing Process Ruled Constitutional
 
Hello...New poster but have been following this for awhile. Not from the area but this case is intriguing. First, I would like to commend Betty on the timeline...It will definitely be helpful down the road. I would just like to comment on today's hearing. The prosecutor brought to the Court's attention that the
Defendant was in civilian clothes. IMO this may have been because there has not been a motion filed for that request, or maybe there has been and not ruled on yet. Either way his attorney wanted to make sure that the Court knew the clothing had been checked...IMO
 
Moving to extend time to file motions indefinitely at present. Prosecution and court say ok. Will allow for discovery, may change later.

No contact order - same request for GW4 as for AW. Defense says they have cautioned their client not to do direct or indirect contact. Court approves "no contact" order for GW4 .

Expert fees - asking for appropriations w/o revealing to state what is being contracted (expert witnesses?) granted

Another motion? Didn't hear all.

Prosecution notes GW4 is in civvies, though permission had not been granted. Clothing approved by guards, says defense. No one seemed to have a problem with it.

Adjourned
Just to add, I believe the expert was referred to as an electronics expert.
 
Anyone else note the b&w clothing on the side of the Rs/HHG today? I'm wondering if it's sort of solidarity/mourning type of expression. I don't think it is happenstance, two hearings in a row. 'Course, I wear a lot of black myself and noted that LM does too, sooooo, could be they just like black too. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

One of the motions filed by the Wagner defense is asking the judge to ban the wearing or showing of messages that could be prejudicial against the W's. Some family members had been wearing shirts, etc. saying "Justice for Rhodens" etc. Maybe this is their way of expressing solidarity w/o causing trouble.

If so, it's a good idea. That and other motions filed by the defense haven't been ruled on yet, but Judge Deering said the other day they will probably do so by the end of this month.

JMO
 
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