Don’t throw rocks at this statement, I live in an entirely different area, a different state. I have no ties to the area or the people of this case. I have followed quietly along on the T site, and now on this site.
Having said all that, if you want an unbiased perspective I will share my thoughts.
First, it is logical for the vests to be bought out of fear, especially if you have easy access to money. She and her lawyer says they were both bought after the murder. To me, I don’t care if it was amazon or eBay, and could see that as a reasonable mistake. I also understand not easily finding the receipt . So that makes me lean towards not guilty for her. With this being more a squeeze method. Tell us what happened or the grandma gets it, so to say.
I have no opinion on RN yet. I was shocked at someone tieing her to a apparently profitable feed store, as earlier mentioned.
Next, I could see how the 4 could be religious zealots and it certainly seems they were, biased on a video we won’t discuss, I think it spoke volumes as to the church in AK. Clearly to me attending that church makes it possible that they were zealots. So, with that said, and the news of the ‘boondock saints’ movie makes me think the two boys may have lived out a delusional fantasy of cleaning the world of the bad people. Makes me lean towards guilty.
What I don’t know is why would Dewine come out and give the laser focus speech if he wasn’t very sure. Another point that makes me lean to guilty.
I also don’t know what the source was used to hear the ‘revenge talk’, I don’t see someone, mainly AC saying that there was those discussions, tell about them and they be false. Makes me lean towards guilty.
I found it interesting originally bw4 lawyers said the state had dna and now the state says no they don’t. This plus the after the fact bpv purchase and the state not checking ebay transactions makes me worry the case is so complicated, little mistakes like this could impede justice.
What make you (everyone’s opinion wanted and welcome) lean one way or another at this point? I think it would be really interesting to hear you guys thoughts
I think you present a fair opinion. I appreciate the unbiased nature. To be honest I couldn't imagine completely saying "YES GUILTY" at the level of death penalty based solely on what we know today. I feel evidence will come though. So I will simply offer where I am leaning towards at the moment and based on what we do know.
Jake I am leaning toward yes. He dyed his hair, he appeared to be unable to keep media stories straight, HR appeared to express domestic violence concerns, I believe he really had issue with HR moving on to CH, he had social media posts prior to the murder that didn't align with his behaviors after the murders. A few other things..
George 4, I struggle with. However I did see some photos on Facebook of things he was doing days before the murders that could fall under suspicious. I don't think I can post them because of TOS around social media. These apply to the surveillance. I feel like he already had his world, his son. I think he's the wild card that could have been influenced to get on board or ????. Again- only based on what we publicly know today.
Angela- I lean to very involved. She appeared at the front end with a lot of research and action, my guess is she played a big role in the custody docs getting notarized, and the Ford excursion was hers. She also began selling many things in different public forums across many areas of southern OH just before and after the murders. She included mentions in her ads that she moved, though it was way before they moved. The foot print analysis combined with her boot research, Walmart shopping etc is huge in my mind. Especially given the strategic shopping method across multiple Wal-marts. I do find it strange her info was not included in the Latent print analysis section, however maybe hers were already on file due to being in the military.
Billy- I lean to yes. I wonder what is written on his tat release form per discovery. His cell records seem very important to the case, and I do believe he and Chris were business partners as reported. It is said DeWine referred to him as the mastermind.
FWagner, I honestly don't know. Her history is so shady and she has gotten out of many lawsuits etc based on what seems small technicalities in the past. I feel she is pushing religion a bit too staged and at the same time is a very intelligent, creative, and business savvy woman. Her statement during the searches "Jake didn't do it" (no reference to others), and her recent media event makes me question her tremendously.
I can see both sides of possibilities with her testimony to the grand jury on the BPV purchase. In the end, I think her interest is protecting her and her families name. This interest could work both toward knowing in advance or just covering in the end. As a stretch to be unbiased- This interest could have led to even purchasing the vests after the murders for reasons other than to protect Billy. If Frederickas name goes down, I think she will be sure it's one for the history books. If that woman ends up in jail... oh my lands...I feel for the guards and others that will have to deal with her furrry day in and out. I could also see a new prison religion formed and led by Fredericka; again one for the history books.
Rita, I am torn on. I do believe she likely notarized the documents, however I also feel AW could have accessed her stamp/seal. I think it's going to require Rita being straight with the court because if she didn't do it, she needs to explain how someone else did.
With drugs being an under current and Angela's dad having a history of arrests and prison time for such, I am torn on wondering if this was historical activity from AW's side. I haven't seen anything that confirms other Wagners being involved in drugs.
My opinion on the grandmothers- I see Rita as someone who could be manipulated fairly easily; VERY different from Fredericka. Within days of the crimes however, I have no doubt these two grandmothers had put some pieces together in their minds and had a pretty good clue.
