OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #16

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Worked for me also. I personally think it was a life saver. I know it's misused by a lot of people but there are people that use it properly and get straight.

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I think that's likely what the initial poster meant.. That many get addicted to that or Methadone and abuse that. I had a friend that was getting clean with Methadone. He did good for awhile until they started trusting him with a weeks worth of medication at a time.. He OD'd on Methadone and died. But I've seen them both help SO many people as well. But it is abused by many too. I'm only assuming that's what they may have meant. But I don't think it's only a "few" people that get helped from those medications if you really think about the amount of people on them. I also think a lot of it is if you want to be clean or not.. My cousin has relapsed so many times because she continues to surround herself with her "friends" that continue using around her. Many factors go into those who succeed and those who can't win the battle. JMO.


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I think that's likely what the initial poster meant.. That many get addicted to that or Methadone and abuse that. I had a friend that was getting clean with Methadone. He did good for awhile until they started trusting him with a weeks worth of medication at a time.. He OD'd on Methadone and died. But I've seen them both help SO many people as well. But it is abused by many too. I'm only assuming that's what they may have meant. But I don't think it's only a "few" people that get helped from those medications if you really think about the amount of people on them. I also think a lot of it is if you want to be clean or not.. My cousin has relapsed so many times because she continues to surround herself with her "friends" that continue using around her. Many factors go into those who succeed and those who can't win the battle. JMO.


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Yeah. I had to move an hr and a half away and get away from everyone I knew. The "people, places, things". That is also the possible reason I had thought gary was staying with Chris...if he was on hard drugs maybe he went there to be around family that supported him and kept his mind busy working on cars.

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Yeah. I had to move an hr and a half away and get away from everyone I knew. The "people, places, things". That is also the possible reason I had thought gary was staying with Chris...if he was on hard drugs maybe he went there to be around family that supported him and kept his mind busy working on cars.

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I wonder if that would have made anyone angry?
 
Thank you, I don't want to rock the boat and I know that people get defensive when info is scarce. I came back to sleuthing reluctantly because I end up spending so much time thinking about it and exploring the possibilities. Once and a while it pays off though and I find it satisfying when one of our thoughts or discoveries provides a lead to LE. This case is very different from any other I have sleuthed, Like others, I keep expecting to hear details that will help the public identify a suspect. But this one is odd all the way through. I don't think LE was oblivious to what was going on at the Rhodens. I think they were benefiting from it somehow. Even if rogue cop had nothing to do with it, I think LE is busy building a case that protects their own.
 
Yeah. I had to move an hr and a half away and get away from everyone I knew. The "people, places, things". That is also the possible reason I had thought gary was staying with Chris...if he was on hard drugs maybe he went there to be around family that supported him and kept his mind busy working on cars.

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Absolutely. If I didn't move away, I don't think I ever would have broke my habits. I think I would have fell back into it after I had my son. I moved 3 states away and never looked back. I've sadly had to revisit for many funerals, but I stay for the day and leave. I just don't ever want to put me back into a tempting situation. I have too much to lose. But it's hard, as I'm sure you know. I have ZERO desire to do drugs and have been clean for almost 10 years, but I still worry about being in the wrong place at the wrong time and being tempted, so I just avoid it.


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Thank you, I don't want to rock the boat and I know that people get defensive when info is scarce. I came back to sleuthing reluctantly because I end up spending so much time thinking about it and exploring the possibilities. Once and a while it pays off though and I find it satisfying when one of our thoughts or discoveries provides a lead to LE. This case is very different from any other I have sleuthed, Like others, I keep expecting to hear details that will help the public identify a suspect. But this one is odd all the way through. I don't think LE was oblivious to what was going on at the Rhodens. I think they were benefiting from it somehow. Even if rogue cop had nothing to do with it, I think LE is busy building a case that protects their own.
I don't agree with your theory, but I always appreciate your input and lines of thought.
 
I wonder if that would have made anyone angry?
I guess it's possible. If he was a middle man selling H or somethin for a big timer and owed him money . I can't see it makin someone mad enough to off 7 other ppl though.

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I guess it's possible. If he was a middle man selling H or somethin for a big timer and owed him money . I can't see it makin someone mad enough to off 7 other ppl though.

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Unless he took some product with him and wanted to freelance with it? I don't get that feeling really though. I think the only thing he took with him was a secret he sucked at keeping.
 
Absolutely. If I didn't move away, I don't think I ever would have broke my habits. I think I would have fell back into it after I had my son. I moved 3 states away and never looked back. I've sadly had to revisit for many funerals, but I stay for the day and leave. I just don't ever want to put me back into a tempting situation. I have too much to lose. But it's hard, as I'm sure you know. I have ZERO desire to do drugs and have been clean for almost 10 years, but I still worry about being in the wrong place at the wrong time and being tempted, so I just avoid it.


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Congrats on 10 yrs. I'm 4 yrs in, it does get easier with time but it's still hard. I moved and started over somewhere that I knew absolutely nobody. I just started working a full time job again and I've been afraid to really get to know anyone too well. It would only take one person with the right **** and I could be back into it just like that. I'm thankful everyday for how fortunate I am to even hav the chance to do the right thing now.

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Congrats on 10 yrs. I'm 4 yrs in, it does get easier with time but it's still hard. I moved and started over somewhere that I knew absolutely nobody. I just started working a full time job again and I've been afraid to really get to know anyone too well. It would only take one person with the right **** and I could be back into it just like that. I'm thankful everyday for how fortunate I am to even hav the chance to do the right thing now.

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Congrats! It is definitely hard. But it does get easier every year. Especially thinking back to when I was using, just my total disregard for reality and all of the stupid decisions I made on top of using. I'm not proud of the person I was. So thankful I'm not in that state of mind anymore and that I know there is more to life.


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Unless he took some product with him and wanted to freelance with it? I don't get that feeling really though. I think the only thing he took with him was a secret he sucked at keeping.
I guess if he ripped someone off of a big enough score. I would like to think someone wouldn't kill an entire family over that but in mason WV a woman and her cousin were shot in the head and buried in the woods. Her husband still has never been found. Their trailer was set on fire before they were killed. Supposedly all of that was because he had stole like $10000 worth of oxy.

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Congrats! It is definitely hard. But it does get easier every year. Especially thinking back to when I was using, just my total disregard for reality and all of the stupid decisions I made on top of using. I'm not proud of the person I was. So thankful I'm not in that state of mind anymore and that I know there is more to life.


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Absolutely agree.

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My thoughts exactly! I never knew this even existed...you would have to know it existed to use the feature...
Perhaps someone talked to family after the fact and family got in touch with FB?

Surely they all didn't have it set to be changed in the event of their death. If so that's odd...

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Dewine IS a career politician and likes the spotlight. I see no reason for him to have toured the murder scenes other than being nosey. If it gets solved he'll say see what happened with me in office!!!

Just a friendly tip. Yesterday (Thurs.5-26-16)Dewine "inadvertently" said he was running for governor of Ohio. Ha! Many knew this since last year but he always acted like that was the last thing on his mind. When this all went down in Piketon.....and seeing Dewine with all the pressers and face time....it sealed it in my mind that this situation was going to be somewhat used for political purposes. I feel he has handled it well (the murders.) So far. Should be interesting. Sorry guys - - no linky on his slippy but it IS out there.:thinking:
 
I guess if he ripped someone off of a big enough score. I would like to think someone wouldn't kill an entire family over that but in mason WV a woman and her cousin were shot in the head and buried in the woods. Her husband still has never been found. Their trailer was set on fire before they were killed. Supposedly all of that was because he had stole like $10000 worth of oxy.

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I don't get the feeling it is that either but I know what you mean. They may have taken advantage of that Greenup to Detroit pipeline and gotten into something over their head. People will kill others for senseless stuff. A dealer was murdered not far from where I live, as the crow flies, when a couple guys showed up and he didn't have what they wanted, or wouldn't sell to them, whichever. They murdered him on the spot, and a friend that was there too, and shot 2-3 more that survived but then claimed they had no memory of what the guys looked like or didn't see them at all. It took them 8-9 years to solve that one and the only reason they did was from some dna left at the scene, and the assailants committed another crime years down the road that they were caught for, and they ran their dna. There were rewards, billboards, hot lines, everything, all that time, and nothing. At the time of the murders none of them were over 20 years old. I don't think this one is like that but it still runs through my mind that it could be something as trivial.
 
Yeah. I had to move an hr and a half away and get away from everyone I knew. The "people, places, things". That is also the possible reason I had thought gary was staying with Chris...if he was on hard drugs maybe he went there to be around family that supported him and kept his mind busy working on cars.

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You're right. ANY method you choose, be it Suboxone, Methadone, Vivitrol, Zsubsolv.....it works if you're ready to do it. Addiction is physical in the sense that your body tells you that it's going to get sick without it, but your head will always be the thing that does most of the driving. When you're truly ready to put it down and step away, you can. Basically, you're taking medicine to ease off those horrible physical symptoms (restless leg, body aches, chills, vomiting, those weirdo temperature fluctuations that feel like you're in menopause on steroids!).....while you're busy getting your thinking straight. Once you get to a place where your life seems NORMAL again...which takes different amounts of time for different people....you ween yourself down slowly and, eventually? You're free. There's definitely some struggle when it comes to letting it go at the end, but it's nothing like sitting down your "fun" drug of choice! I tried it cold turkey. Call me a pansy, but I just couldn't do it. If not for Suboxone, I would most likely be spending my days in a pine box right now.

I've wondered if maybe Gary was down that way to get something of the Methadone/Suboxone variety. I looked it up, and they do have clinics down there for both, though I'm not familiar with them. I know there is a Methadone clinic, as well as a couple Suboxone clinics, in Ashland, which is about a thirty minute drive straight down 23 from South Shore. The same is true for Ironton (right across the bridge) and Portsmouth, which is pretty close to South Shore. He might have had trouble finding a place close to Greenup because the waiting lists at these places are unreal...sometimes MONTHS...to get an appointment. Maybe he went down there because he found a place and had an appointment that next morning? Believe me, I've met people who happily drive a couple of house to get to these places, so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that he would go down there where family is close by if he had a place to stay.

Methadone is usually dosed daily. You get up, go to the clinic, and take your meds there every single day. I know after a while they'll let you start taking some of it home, but I'm not familiar with how many days worth they send? I know I've heard people say they made it to weekend take homes....and I knew a guy who got it a week at a time...but other than that, I'm not sure about it.

Suboxone works under stricter guidelines, and different clinics work different ways. I know where I went it was done in two week prescriptions, with mandatory group meetings. You see a doctor every two weeks and attend either weekly or biweekly group meetings for a LONG time and, once you've established yourself with clean drugs screens for X amount of time, some places will let you come monthly for your medicine, so long as you attend regular meetings and continue to screen clean.

Granted...this is all absolute speculation on my part. When he was busted shooting up in the parking lot at Dunhams, he did three days if I recall. Basically, he was in there just long enough to feel REALLY, REALLY bad-we're talking full swing withdrawals. I would say that by day 3...and I am speaking mostly for me....you'd be ready to run right out of there and find the first thing that will take the WD's away! No doubt the guy was feeling horrible.

Part of me wishes he was getting some help. There is a true hopelessness you carry with you when you're on drugs. You feel stuck....it's like quicksand. Your head is so full of the when and where the next time will come from...you have zero room for anything else. When you make ANY move to get away from it....you find that, for the first time in months or years or however long it has been...you have a little hope.

On that note...has anyone seen a RECENT picture of this guy? I've looked everywhere and I swear they all look like they were taken forever ago. I can't find him in any of the family pictures, just a couple of him by himself that look like they were taken earlier than even his FB profile picture, which tells me nothing about where he was on April 22nd. He was thin, and sobriety tends to make you a bit fluffier :shame:.....so I was curious if he'd put on any weight.
 
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