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Normrock said:
That's right Dudley. The truly only way to erase them is to destroy them totally, burn, scatter over miles etc. In WW2 the British could decipher charred letters, documents, etc. Just think of what can be done today.
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4094&context=jclc
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Some of my favorite methods:

Removing the platters and then using a bench vise to crush it into a ball of aluminum.

Use an oxyacetylene torch to cut the platters. Melts them up pretty good. :)

Blow it to smitherines as a rifle target. A couple of clips and it’s toast.

Solid state media - hit it with an arc welder. Total destruction. Just make sure to put the ground clamp on the circuit board ground and watch chips pop when you strike an arc on the leads.

My wife thinks I am nuts sometimes but I use safety equipment (safety googles, leather welding gloves, and a respirator when using the welders)
 
I have been thinking about the confidential source that SP AC was talking about and there is a good chance that it could be human intel that the prosecution wants to keep confidential. Another thing that bothers me is that SP AC’s body language looks like she was uncomfortable selling the revenge conspiracy at FW’s bond hearing. JMO
 
OsoTejano said:
I have been thinking about the confidential source that SP AC was talking about and there is a good chance that it could be human intel that the prosecution wants to keep confidential. Another thing that bothers me is that SP AC’s body language looks like she was uncomfortable selling the revenge conspiracy at FW’s bond hearing. JMO
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I listened to Dewine press conference again and I got the feeling someone may be able to apply for the reward money. He doesn’t outright say it but did anyone get the feeling someone might get the reward and if so I wonder if this is the source jmo
 
Myland said:
I am wondering since they have Wagner’s talking about killing Dewine and Reader and the other guy and an escape plan wonder if they have them talking about killing the Rhodens? Looks like if they felt safe enough to talk about Dewine and others they would have felt safe enough (as in no one knowing there conversation) to have mentioned something about that night. Like we should do this because of that kind of thing. Something must not have went completely as plan since Chris had signs of struggle. And that could be a reference point on how to take care of Dewine and reader. To make sure I am clear I mean a reference point to them in their planning their future targets. Jmo
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For sure LE has the W's talking about the R murders. LE isn't going to release this to the public until trial because they don't need to. LE released conspiracy to murder DeWine and Reader to substantiate their charge for indictment, of course. Are you a friend of the Wagners?
 
iridized said:
My opinion of the collection of unlawful debt would be the loaning of money to the Rhoden's for the initial costs incurred in the equipment needed for the growing of cannabis which was then not repaid.
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And, just dawned on me. Allegedly, W'd began planning Jan 2016. That would be the time the R's were probably beginning to move forward with the purchase of DR's new property.
 
Chelly said:
For sure LE has the W's talking about the R murders. LE isn't going to release this to the public until trial because they don't need to. LE released conspiracy to murder DeWine and Reader to substantiate their charge for indictment, of course. Are you a friend of the Wagners?
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No not a friend or family of them. Just interested in the case like everyone else here. I guess people might think I am because I am keeping an more open mind about the case but I promise you no friend or family of Wagner’s. I want justice served just like everyone else. I am just looking at it both ways. JMo but if they do have them talking about that night then it’s a slam dunk case jmo
 
OsoTejano said:
I have been thinking about the confidential source that SP AC was talking about and there is a good chance that it could be human intel that the prosecution wants to keep confidential. Another thing that bothers me is that SP AC’s body language looks like she was uncomfortable selling the revenge conspiracy at FW’s bond hearing. JMO
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Just as the lawyer argued against Jake's older brother not getting bail due to being the most enthusiastic and outspoken about a revenge plan, it might be Angela wasn't too keen on the idea and gently argued against it. I say gently because, it might have been 3 "for" and 1 "against" the plan. Two and a half years after the murders and now, under laser focus of LE, reality might have been setting in on her so she could finally see the desperate insanity of it all. Finally. (?) Yet, the lawyer could, in all fairness, bring it up because you never know what someone might do. They might change their mind and agreed to the plan later on.
Just a guess.
 
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Myland said:
No not a friend or family of them. Just interested in the case like everyone else here. I guess people might think I am because I am keeping an more open mind about the case but I promise you no friend or family of Wagner’s. I want justice served just like everyone else. I am just looking at it both ways. JMo but if they do have them talking about that night then it’s a slam dunk case jmo
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Keeping an open mind, do you have a theory on who else might have murdered the R's?
 
iridized said:
My opinion of the collection of unlawful debt would be the loaning of money to the Rhoden's for the initial costs incurred in the equipment needed for the growing of cannabis which was then not repaid.
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I'm not sure "unlawful" means what it usually means when it comes to legal terms. Now, realize I have no experience in law and am not insisting on anything here. I will put the legal definitions here (same for the legal term: "usury" and people can make of it what they will.)
Link at end of definitions.

"Under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, an unlawful debt is defined as “a debt that is (A) unenforceable under state or federal law in whole or in part as to the principal or interest because of the laws relating to usury, and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money or a thing of value at a rate usurious under state or federal law, where the usurious rate is at least twice the enforceable rate.” Proctor v. Metro. Money Store Corp, 645 F. Supp. 2d 464 (D. Md. 2009)

"Usury: Usury Law and Legal Definition. Usury is a civil or criminal violation involving charging more than the maximum interest rate allowed by law. ... If a court finds that the rate of interest on a loan is usurious, the interest due becomes void and only the principal of the loan needs to be repaid."

Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.
 
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iridized said:
My opinion of the collection of unlawful debt would be the loaning of money to the Rhoden's for the initial costs incurred in the equipment needed for the growing of cannabis which was then not repaid.
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I have read this and the “collection of an unlawful debt” is the second part of “pattern of corrupt activity or collection of an unlawful debt”. The key word here is “or”. The wording follows what is in the ORC. Doing a little more research, I found that corrupt activity could be basically any felony in Ohio. Given that, I read it like this group of people worked together to commit and/or facilitate a bunch of felonies. JMO

ENGAGING IN A PATTERN OF CORRUPT ACTIVITY: STATE RICO CHARGES BECOME MORE PREVALENT IN OHIO

The Wright Blog: Engaging in a Pattern of Corrupt Activity
 
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And to go out further on a limb I might guess that Wagner the 3d lent money to Chris Sr... at an unlawful rate of interest. Chris Sr might have put the money down on Dana's new place rather than doing what he told Wagner the 3d he was going to do with the money. That would have caused a little explosion in Wagner the 3d's head. Jake was probably swerving all over the road when as he rushed home to tell Mom and Dad and Big Brubber that Chris Sr just bought the place down the road from his house for Dana and her kids. Now how would they get custody of S? How many people here guessed that new home for Dana was the catalyst for the murders? Things were already hot custody-wise and that would light the fuse. You bet they'd be looking for any cash they could find in those houses during the murders... probably went through people's pockets and purses, too. Maybe Kenneth was made to contribute to the cause and they were in such a hurry they had to leave what they dropped. I always assumed if a guy keeps his gun under his pillow, his money can't be too far away either.
Anyway... just a guess.
 
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pepper 34 said:
And to go out further on a limb I might guess that Wagner the 3d lent money to Chris Sr... at an unlawful rate of interest. Chris Sr might have put the money down on Dana's new place rather than doing what he told Wagner the 3d he was going to do with the money. That would have caused a little explosion in Wagner the 3d's head. Jake was probably swerving all over the road when as he rushed home to tell Mom and Dad and Big Brubber that Chris Sr just bought the place down the road from his house for Dana and her kids. Now how would they get custody of S? How many people here guessed that new home for Dana was the catalyst for the murders? Things were already hot custody-wise and that would light the fuse. You bet they'd be looking for any cash they could find in those houses during the murders... probably went through people's pockets and purses, too.
Anyway... just a guess.
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Or skimming off the top jmo
 
pepper 34 said:
Just as the lawyer argued against Jake's older brother not getting bail due to being the most enthusiastic and outspoken about a revenge plan, it might be Angela wasn't too keen on the idea and gently argued against it. I say gently because, it might have been 3 "for" and 1 "against" the plan. Two and a half years after the murders and now, under laser focus of LE, reality might have been setting in on her so she could finally see the desperate insanity of it all. Finally. (?) Yet, the lawyer could, in all fairness, bring it up because you never know what someone might do. They might change their mind and agreed to the plan later on.
Just a guess.
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The SP AC that I was referring to was Angela Canepa the Special Prosecutor. I had my wife look at her during her arguments at GW4’s bond hearing without sound and my wife’s impression was maybe a lack of confidence on her part. Maybe it was just her hair getting in her face, I don't know.
 
Normrock said:
Does not like camera. Any theories on why no one sat behind Ws? Since Ws were supposedly so well like in area. I leaning attorneys for defense doesn't want trial to be moved." Look judge no one even came to support them" etc. Then get a friend on jury. It only takes one.
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With the office of special prosecutions involved, the jury pool will be so thoroughly vetted no “friend” will sit on the jury. I did some of that work and there isn’t anything lawyers don’t know about someone.
 
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