OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

[flute4peace]

Thinking more about this obit which is really starting to bug me.
Maybe he thought that by not submitting an obit to their local paper, it would make him appear more suspicious so that’s why he felt he needed to submit something?

To me though, the obit reads like whoever wrote it did so in a hurry, not taking much time or thought. Just wanted to get it done and get it submitted ASAP. Also the writer seemed very detached from the person that they couldn’t even include their education, their hobbies or anything at all about their life. Just very strange especially if the obituary was written by a spouse of 53 years.
JMO


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It looks like a canned obit - or one that was a filled in template. More of a death notice than an actual obit. In some papers a death notice is free, longer obit costs money. Here when someone dies, the funeral home puts up a bare-bones notice similar to this, then will add a full obit once the family's had a chance to write it out.

JMHO, of course.

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[perfectingpink]

Bobbie's obit reminds me so much of my grandmother's. It was written by her oldest son who could not wait until she died. (I was lectured many times about how I was interfering too much with her and my grandfather's medical care and how medicine has just gone too far in keeping people alive.)

 

[meanmaryjean]

?Just one more thought...Can dementia come and go? My mom had surgery and she went into a pyschotic(I hope this is the right word) state afterwards. Oh my!! She is fine now.
...but when asked ?'s she came up with some doozies but after 2 or 3 answers would answer correctly.?

Delirium ( caused by pain meds, surgery, even bladder infections in the elderly) comes and goes. Dementia does not.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Delirium ( caused by pain meds, surgery, even bladder infections in the elderly) comes and goes. Dementia does not.

Thanks!

 

[LaLaw2000]

What sort of newspaper prints an obituary without proper documentation of a death? Can anyone just take an obituary to that newspaper and have it printed? I asked a local reporter for our newspaper that I had been emailing/speaking with about a local matter that question and he said that had never happened. He stated that all obituaries printed in our paper were submitted by local funeral homes even in the case of Cremation. He stated that it is irresponsible to print without documentation and the newspaper would never print it having been brought in by anyone, much less a family member.

The reporter whom I have talked with is someone I have been in contact with for well over a year concerning an ongoing community problem. Very reputable.

You can't just print anything you want to in a matter as serious as the death of someone. There have been a couple of instances where no obituary was printed other than a news article of someone shooting themselves after having shot another person.

This just does not happen and I think it to be very careless of that newspaper.

MOO

 

[Gussified]

Obit mystery solved:

Me:
I am curious if your paper printed this obituary. I am concerned about what happened to her, and can't figure out Where this newsclip came from. Any ideas?

Thank you very much for your assistance.

That’s an odd response to the question you posed.

 

[Steelslady]

That’s an odd response to the question you posed.

Almost like they didn't want to name who brought it in. The "he brought it in to us" leaves a question without a clear answer- just who was "he". We can most likely assume it was her husband, but it's like the person doesn't want to give a name for some reason My hinky meter is going off again.....

 

[meanmaryjean]

What sort of newspaper prints an obituary without proper documentation of a death? Can anyone just take an obituary to that newspaper and have it printed? I asked a local reporter for our newspaper that I had been emailing/speaking with about a local matter that question and he said that had never happened. He stated that all obituaries printed in our paper were submitted by local funeral homes even in the case of Cremation. He stated that it is irresponsible to print without documentation and the newspaper would never print it having been brought in by anyone, much less a family member.

The reporter whom I have talked with is someone I have been in contact with for well over a year concerning an ongoing community problem. Very reputable.

You can't just print anything you want to in a matter as serious as the death of someone. There have been a couple of instances where no obituary was printed other than a news article of someone shooting themselves after having shot another person.

This just does not happen and I think it to be very careless of that newspaper.

MOO

When my father passed away- I had his obituary printed in my local paper, even though he lived many hours away and had NEVER lived in my community. No 'proof' was asked for- just payment. An obit is not a legal document, it is just a notification to family and friends of one's passing. Nothing more.

 

[KJ's Mamu]

?Just one more thought...Can dementia come and go? My mom had surgery and she went into a pyschotic(I hope this is the right word) state afterwards. Oh my!! She is fine now.
...but when asked ?'s she came up with some doozies but after 2 or 3 answers would answer correctly.?

My experience with dementia/alzheimers is that sufferers have good and bad days. A daily routine and adequate sleep are important to having good days. A change in routine, unexpected visitors, appointments that tire them or events that they find frightening may trigger a bad day with extra confusion and sometimes fear and anger.

Was your mom in and Intensive Care Setting after surgery? Often the ICU setting will cause what is called as "ICU Psychosis". Her is a link with great info on this ICU related syndrome. https://www.medicinenet.com/icu_psychosis/article.htm#what_causes_icu_psychosis

My mom was in ICU for three weeks suffering from Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome after a long and difficult surgery. After 4 days in ICU she began hallucinating and said and believed the most bizarre things (First Lady Laura Bush visited her and other things I knew to not be true). This lasted her entire stay in ICU but was resolved within 48 hours of being placed in a regular room. At first I was convinced she had suffered some kind of stroke or neural injury. After questioning the ICU staff they explained ICU Psychosis and told me to humor her. Unfortunately I wasn't very good at it. :notgood: I think my facial expression frequently gave me away and she would say "you don't believe me!" After her recovery we frequently laughed about Laura Bush visiting her....

Back to Roberta....I'm still hopeful she will be found and all the questions rolling around in my head about her death will be answered.....

 

[Steelslady]

My experience with dementia/alzheimers is that sufferers have good and bad days. A daily routine and adequate sleep are important to having good days. A change in routine, unexpected visitors, appointments that tire them or events that they find frightening may trigger a bad day with extra confusion and sometimes fear and anger.

Was your mom in and Intensive Care Setting after surgery? Often the ICU setting will cause what is called as "ICU Psychosis". Her is a link with great info on this ICU related syndrome. https://www.medicinenet.com/icu_psychosis/article.htm#what_causes_icu_psychosis

My mom was in ICU for three weeks suffering from Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome after a long and difficult surgery. After 4 days in ICU she began hallucinating and said and believed the most bizarre things (First Lady Laura Bush visited her and other things I knew to not be true). This lasted her entire stay in ICU but was resolved within 48 hours of being placed in a regular room. At first I was convinced she had suffered some kind of stroke or neural injury. After questioning the ICU staff they explained ICU Psychosis and told me to humor her. Unfortunately I wasn't very good at it. :notgood: I think my facial expression frequently gave me away and she would say "you don't believe me!" After her recovery we frequently laughed about Laura Bush visiting her....

Back to Roberta....I'm still hopeful she will be found and all the questions rolling around in my head about her death will be answered.....

There are times when anesthesia doesn't agree with folks- the longer they are put under, the more risk of complications such as pneumonia, respiratory issues and hallucinations, which are common symptoms. Depression is another symptom. Most are temporary and go away on their own, while others need antibiotics or medications to help recover from these issues. That's why they try not to keep people under for too long, or try to keep them semi-awake during surgeries to try and prevent these issues from happening.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

My experience with dementia/alzheimers is that sufferers have good and bad days. A daily routine and adequate sleep are important to having good days. A change in routine, unexpected visitors, appointments that tire them or events that they find frightening may trigger a bad day with extra confusion and sometimes fear and anger.

Was your mom in and Intensive Care Setting after surgery? Often the ICU setting will cause what is called as "ICU Psychosis". Her is a link with great info on this ICU related syndrome. https://www.medicinenet.com/icu_psychosis/article.htm#what_causes_icu_psychosis

My mom was in ICU for three weeks suffering from Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome after a long and difficult surgery. After 4 days in ICU she began hallucinating and said and believed the most bizarre things (First Lady Laura Bush visited her and other things I knew to not be true). This lasted her entire stay in ICU but was resolved within 48 hours of being placed in a regular room. At first I was convinced she had suffered some kind of stroke or neural injury. After questioning the ICU staff they explained ICU Psychosis and told me to humor her. Unfortunately I wasn't very good at it. :notgood: I think my facial expression frequently gave me away and she would say "you don't believe me!" After her recovery we frequently laughed about Laura Bush visiting her....

Back to Roberta....I'm still hopeful she will be found and all the questions rolling around in my head about her death will be answered.....

I think it had to do with the what they knocked her out with for the surgery. She was having pizza parties, shopping, and saying things that my mom would never ever say.
I just remembered she wasn't sleeping and when she finally did sleep she was back to her normal.

Sometimes parents don't tell children about illnesses but if she had terminal cancer than I would think it was shared.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

There are times when anesthesia doesn't agree with folks- the longer they are put under, the more risk of complications such as pneumonia, respiratory issues and hallucinations, which are common symptoms. Depression is another symptom. Most are temporary and go away on their own, while others need antibiotics or medications to help recover from these issues. That's why they try not to keep people under for too long, or try to keep them semi-awake during surgeries to try and prevent these issues from happening.

Thanks! I think she had 2 surgeries in a short amount of time.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Here is an article from January 13th with PS's photo with Bobby,

https://www.lintelligencer.com/philip-snider-police-probe-mans-claim-that-wife-died-on-graceland-trip-671-2018/

Not sure how old the photo is, but he does appear to be in decent shape physically.

I really wish there was a date on this pic. What is he PS writing in that notebook? I hate where my mind goes in cases such as this. Everything seems nefarious to me.

If it was recent was it the obituary he was writing? They both seem very pleased in the pic.

I can't get the thought of an assisted suicide out of my mind. I honestly do not know if there are any states that allow it other than I know my state doesn't.

I am outside of the norm because were I to be diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor, inoperable cancer, or terminal disease, I would seriously think about terminating my life under my own conditions. I have seen what a slow dying process does to a family and loved ones. I would not want my family to go through that. That's just me and the way I feel.

An assisted suicide? Does anyone else think this is even a possibility? My thoughts are either that or murder.

Any updates?

MOO's

 

[LaLaw2000]

When my father passed away- I had his obituary printed in my local paper, even though he lived many hours away and had NEVER lived in my community. No 'proof' was asked for- just payment. An obit is not a legal document, it is just a notification to family and friends of one's passing. Nothing more.

Did you name a funeral home or when the funeral was to be or where interment would be?

Was the 'notice' as generic as Bobbie's? Yours was apparently a notice whereas Bobbie's was an obituary.

 

[osu]

Here is an article from January 13th with PS's photo with Bobby,

https://www.lintelligencer.com/philip-snider-police-probe-mans-claim-that-wife-died-on-graceland-trip-671-2018/

Not sure how old the photo is, but he does appear to be in decent shape physically.

From the link:

‘He and Bobby packed up their white pickup and left early Jan. 4. They drove about 285 miles and stopped for the night at a Ramada Inn in Sparta, Ky.’
~snip

I haven’t read the entire thread but is there video from the Ramada Inn in Kentucky of Bobbie being there at that hotel?



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[Steelslady]

I honestly don't know what to think. I just feel something is very hinky with this situation and I just can't shake it off.

We don't even know if, for a fact, that PS has dementia- his brother-in-law said he thought he might have the beginning stages of dementia, not that he was diagnosed with early stage dementia. Did he say this because of the story PS told him about Bobby's death, thinking his brother in law was confused and was trying to justify his story and actions, or was there a specific reason that the brother thought he had it, such as Bobby might have told him that he was getting forgetful and confused lately? That doesn't make sense to me, though, as to why she would go with him if that were the case, on a long trip.

Right now, that's all that we have to go on, besides the last time anyone in her family talked to her- which was that same brother, on January 2. He knew she was going to Graceland, but he never said that his sister was going there for the last time because she was sick.

From what I have gathered, none of her family knew she was at the end stage of cancer. This was what PS told LE. We have not heard if she indeed was this sick or if he just said this to try and get LE off of his back.

LE said during the lie detector test, when they asked what he did with her body, that his answer that he "dumped her in the Tennessee River" showed he was telling the truth about that part. It's what LE is NOT saying about the rest of the questions that they asked that leads me to believe that he didn't pass other parts of the lie detector test (My opinion only). I would like to know when he went into the hospital- before or after the lie detector test? They didn't specify why he was in the hospital, so we don't know if he was genuinely sick with something or if he had a breakdown.

I don't buy his story. I don't know why, but I just feel there's more to this story than him being a hero, trying to help her with her last wishes. Dumping a body in a river to me means he harmed her in some way, and by the time he confessed to doing this, she probably is at the very bottom now without much chance of being recovered.

He said he put her body in trash bags- did he weigh her down with weights, too? Do they know when he bought those trash bags and where? If she had been in the trash bags for a day or two, meaning covered up well, why would he need to go to a car wash, when he had her in the back of the truck and already in trash bags?

 

[Steelslady]

From the link:

‘He and Bobby packed up their white pickup and left early Jan. 4. They drove about 285 miles and stopped for the night at a Ramada Inn in Sparta, Ky.’
~snip

I haven’t read the entire thread but is there video from the Ramada Inn in Kentucky of Bobbie being there at that hotel?



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LE confirmed that they were never at that hotel- the hotel said they were never there nor was there any reservation made in their name. That was false.

 

[ElementalLaura]

I really wish there was a date on this pic. What is he PS writing in that notebook? I hate where my mind goes in cases such as this. Everything seems nefarious to me.

If it was recent was it the obituary he was writing? They both seem very pleased in the pic.

I can't get the thought of an assisted suicide out of my mind. I honestly do not know if there are any states that allow it other than I know my state doesn't.

I am outside of the norm because were I to be diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor, inoperable cancer, or terminal disease, I would seriously think about terminating my life under my own conditions. I have seen what a slow dying process does to a family and loved ones. I would not want my family to go through that. That's just me and the way I feel.

An assisted suicide? Does anyone else think this is even a possibility? My thoughts are either that or murder.

Any updates?

MOO's

According to the Death with Dignity website, five states and the District of Columbia have physician-assisted suicide provisions:

1. California (End of Life Option Act; 2016)
2. Colorado (End of Life Options Act; 2016)
3. District of Columbia (Death with Dignity Act; 2017)
4. Oregon (Oregon Death with Dignity Act; 1994/1997)
5. Vermont (Patient Choice and Control at the End of Life Act; 2013)
6. Washington (Washington Death with Dignity Act; 2008)

Also: Montana does not currently have a statute safeguarding physician-assisted death. In 2009, Montana’s Supreme Court ruled nothing in the state law prohibited a physician from honoring a terminally ill, mentally competent patient’s request by prescribing medication to hasten the patient’s death. Since the ruling, several bills have been introduced to codify or ban the practice, none of which have passed.

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In each of these states (including Montana), a physician needs to be consulted and prescribe medication. States other than Montana have procedures that must be documented to demonstrate a patient is mentally competent, not in a suicidal state and not under undue pressure from family and loved ones.

I'm not aware that PS observed any of the controls in place where assisted suicide is legal, and, of course, he doesn't seem to have traveled to a place where it was (I think in many locations one needs to establish residency, but I haven't delved into the individual provisions, so rate that as MOO).

 

[Deleted member 158085]

LE confirmed that they were never at that hotel- the hotel said they were never there nor was there any reservation made in their name. That was false.

IIRC, LE has not said this. The hotel would not confirm it to a news organization, and a poster here said that is standard practice in the hotel industry.

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[Hippononymous]

Almost like they didn't want to name who brought it in. The "he brought it in to us" leaves a question without a clear answer- just who was "he". We can most likely assume it was her husband, but it's like the person doesn't want to give a name for some reason My hinky meter is going off again.....

The question wasn’t even answered...making the response even stranger.


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