GUILTY OH - Two women & child killed, 13yo abducted, Apple Valley, 10 Nov 2010 #5

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This part was interesting too. Also from the article you have posted.
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“a spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Corrections said Tuesday that he (Hoffman) had received 11 disciplinary actions between 2001 and 2007. Those included three for assaults, damage to property and threats against another inmate. He also was penalized four times for refusing to work.”
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Seems as though this guy has been a problem all of his life, unfortunately cumulating into this tragedy.
 
I wonder what was in the bags found yesterday with the tarp. Apparently not clothes since they're releasing pictures of those today. It doesn't seem that he tried to really hide anything, he left Tina's truck at a college campus, the trashbags and tarp near a bike path, and had Sara in his own basement. It seems he left evidence right out in the open to be found.
 
I wonder what was in the bags found yesterday with the tarp. Apparently not clothes since they're releasing pictures of those today. It doesn't seem that he tried to really hide anything, he left Tina's truck at a college campus, the trashbags and tarp near a bike path, and had Sara in his own basement. It seems he left evidence right out in the open to be found.

Still wondering if the trashbags, etc, are a red herring. Combined with having him sit nearby in his truck a few days earlier around the time they found Tina's truck, as if taking joy in seeing that he fooled LE by having them look in the wrong place. I hope this isn't the case and they do find all three nearby and soon.
 
I heard on 2 local stations this morning that the tarp and trash bags were found AT THE HOME where SM was being kept.

Both stations said the same thing verbatim. I'm looking now to see if I can find the entire statement.
 
His propensity to climb trees, hang out in trees and having his own gear as his former boss said...I wonder if searchers should be looking UP for bodies, rather than on the ground.
 
His propensity to climb trees, hang out in trees and having his own gear as his former boss said...I wonder if searchers should be looking UP for bodies, rather than on the ground.


Very chilling thought, but possible
 
Here is the statement from the Cleveland local news channel....

MOUNT VERNON, Ohio - 3:43 p.m. Update : A sheriff in central Ohio says a tarp and trash bags were taken from the home of a 13-year-old girl who was found bound and gagged in the basement of a man's home about 10 miles away.

Did the media screw up again?
 
His propensity to climb trees, hang out in trees and having his own gear as his former boss said...I wonder if searchers should be looking UP for bodies, rather than on the ground.

I mentioned that awhile back... creepy though, huh? I thought it was farfetched but aftered posting it, a few people said they had the same thought as well. I would make sense - especially with the reports that he owned his own climbing gear (ropes, ladders, etc).
 
Here is the statement from the Cleveland local news channel....

MOUNT VERNON, Ohio - 3:43 p.m. Update : A sheriff in central Ohio says a tarp and trash bags were taken from the home of a 13-year-old girl who was found bound and gagged in the basement of a man's home about 10 miles away.

Did the media screw up again?

Isn't it possible trashbags/tarp were in both places? He had four victims. He could have also used them to get Sarah transported and into his home unnoticed.
 
I heard on 2 local stations this morning that the tarp and trash bags were found AT THE HOME where SM was being kept.

Both stations said the same thing verbatim. I'm looking now to see if I can find the entire statement.

The search group leader who found them was on the FB page and he said the same as the article below:

They were on the side of Lower Gambier Road near Rt. 229, about a half mile from where Tina Herrmann's car was found abandoned on Thursday. The silver-and-black tarp is about 20 feet off the road near the edge of a woods. Agents with the Ohio Bureau of Identification and Investigation are on the way to check out the bags, a Franklin County deputy said.
http://www.lineofduty.com/the-blotter/109711-oh-sheriff--was-watching-missing-family


Unless the police found a different set of trash bags and tarp at the Columbus Dr. house.
 
I think this is the first time we've heard of multiple tarps, correct? IIRC, they were saying the receipt showed a Wal-Mart purchase of just one tarp.

More local Cleveland news:

Jessica Shirley, 35, got to know Hoffman and his former girlfriend over the last year when they would visit her friend, who lived next to the couple. She said he was smart and controlling. "He was kind of like the intellectual," she said. "Kind of crazy."'

He wouldn't let his former girlfriend smoke or allow her son to eat junk food, Shirley said. He also made a woman who lived with him until recently join a gym, she said.

The two worked out together, she said. "That was the only normal activity I know that he did," Shirley said. Dawna Davis, 35, who lives next door to Hoffman, said Hoffman would sit in a tree and listen to them talk.
"He was just different. He was very different," she said. Still, she'd give him food once in a while.

He gets weirder the more I look at him.
 
It sounds like he likely had lots of trash bags in his home, possibly vehicles, etc.

From what I had read, he would stuff walls with trash bags full of leaves for insulation. It would stand to reason that they would find significant numbers of trash bags in his home.

They likely collected the leaves from the site at Foundation Park to compare them to leaves found in his home and possibly leaves found in bags that were dumped along Old Gambier.

They are also likely comparing the trash bags found in the home to trash bags found along Old Gambier Road to determine whether or not they came from the same roll and can be tied directly to Hoffman.
 
I am not going to be the least bit surprised if these poor people are found somewhere, somehow, in or right around Hoffman’s home.
But I’m sure LE is taking it apart piece by piece!!
They have likely had dog’s all over that place like white on rice!
 
He had no computer no electricty.... but maybe he had a lap top with an air card. I see this guy has reader(don't know why just do.

Do we know if LE has a computer of his?

We don't know for sure LE has any computer of his. If he had one there, they do.

I based what I said on another post which quoted a report of the neighbors talking about MH- saying he "was really good with computers". IMO, folks that are really good with computers usually have at least one, if not more. Also reports have said things to the effect "until his electricity was turned off". That leads me to believe that he HAD electricity, and had it shut off. Just going off news reports/articles.
 
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That's the thing, though. It wasn't just searching his house -- the sheriff said they KNEW Sarah was there. For a fact. They did not know if any of the others were there or not, but they KNEW she was. So... how?!?

Since they *definitely* knew she was in there, I'd say surveillance with a direction microphone. They got to that point maybe from prints on the beercans coming up hot on a registered felon.
 
http://www.mountvernonnews.com/local/places/missing-persons<<<<has a pretty good time line of a sorts. and pictures.

from news article: Fowler and Donna both noticed a large silver pick-up they had never seen before was parked in front of Hoffman’s house since Wednesday. The truck was removed by law enforcement Sunday.

the blood in the house may have been the dogs. More scaring the family into doing what he said.

Looking up gives me the creeps already this am., but we have to remember the leaves are falling really good right now, and what about smell? Its been one week today. It should be notible from quite a distance now, it really hasnt been cold enough to freeze. jmo..should be able to smell a dead body from at least 50 ft.
 
Search continues for missing trio

events
Sheriff Barber will hold a press conference at 3 p.m. Wednesday, November 17


Knox Co. search enters 7th day
As search efforts continue in Knox County for three people missing since last week, more details emerged about a man charged in connection with the case.
The mother of Matthew Hoffman said on Tuesday that she was hopeful that her son would include her on his jail visitation list and open up to her, 10TV's Ashleigh Barry reported.
More...
 
Since they *definitely* knew she was in there, I'd say surveillance with a direction microphone. They got to that point maybe from prints on the beercans coming up hot on a registered felon.

I wondered about the surveilance as well. I do think evidence was at the scene that implicated him ,I also supect that someone may have called in about him in addition to what they found. I really believe both things happened, Maybe a witness from the restaurant after the news broke they were missing?
 
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