OK OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

[Mapman]

I can guess, but have no statistical info on which types of sex offenders would be most likely to escalate to the murder of an entire family. If anyone does, I'm all ears.

I'm also only guessing, but it seems like all of them would be somewhat more likely to commit sex crimes than the general population. I'm thinking that the ones registered for violent offenses would be significantly more likely to murder a family than flashers. Many child molesters are not violent – they are perverts who take advantage of children. My opinion is that any person with a record of violent crime would be more likely to murder a family than the general population. I would further speculate that a person willing to murder a family of three already has violent criminal record.

 

[Mitch1]

Snipped by me.

I have to admit, Mitch1, this is the first time I've actually understood why you so strongly think WPP. I don't think that's what happened to this family, but that explained your argument pretty well IMO. Thank you.

Thanks, believe me, I know my theory is far from popular-I love the challenge though.
It's funny though-In all the posts I have written, I think that is the least thought I have put into explaining my theory. Go figure

 

[wfgodot]

Great stuff everybody. Consider all posts thanked. I really love what's taken place on this thread - a whole bunch of people, caring.

 

[OkieGranny]

I do have one more idea for you. Have you thought about emailing Andrew Knittle? He is the reporter who mentioned the coords being released by the Sheriff. I have wanted to email him several times, but my writing is horrible. Maybe he could at least get us an update.

Here's his address: aknittle@opubco.com

This idea is beginning to sound more and more tempting. If Tulessa isn't able to report good news tomorrow, I may have to shoot him an e-mail and see if he'll forward a copy of that incident report, because I am aching to explore that area with you guys and discuss the various possibilities and implications.

 

[TheCrankyChef]

There is also a possibility that a taser could have been used. Once someone is on the ground, it would be very easy to strangle or smother them if they are incapacitated. No bullets or knife needed.

Unfortunately, if they are indeed the Jamison's and it was foul play, this probably not the 1st time the person or persons has done something like this. I agree that this was personal but it must take a person with absolutely no remorse to murder a 6 year child.

Someone or someones, from the get go, didn't want anyone looking for this family based on some of the other forums I've read (THERE ARE NO MISSING JAMISON'S). I guess this made me feel really sad yesterday when I was making Sunday dinner that nobody in their family circle reported them missing.

 

[OkieGranny]

There is also a possibility that a taser could have been used. Once someone is on the ground, it would be very easy to strangle or smother them if they are incapacitated. No bullets or knife needed.

Unfortunately, if they are indeed the Jamison's and it was foul play, this probably not the 1st time the person or persons has done something like this. I agree that this was personal but it must take a person with absolutely no remorse to murder a 6 year child.

Someone or someones, from the get go, didn't want anyone looking for this family based on some of the other forums I've read (THERE ARE NO MISSING JAMISON'S). I guess this made me feel really sad yesterday when I was making Sunday dinner that nobody in their family circle reported them missing.

Well, I'm very glad you found your way to this forum, because you seem to have a knack for coming up with fresh ideas. Welcome to WebSleuths!

Hmm, a taser? That is an interesting possibility. Using a taser or a stun gun would definitely make it easier for a single perp to get three people under his control, with no noisy gunshots necessary.

 

[Dallen]

No word from Tulessa?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

There is also a possibility that a taser could have been used. Once someone is on the ground, it would be very easy to strangle or smother them if they are incapacitated. No bullets or knife needed.

Unfortunately, if they are indeed the Jamison's and it was foul play, this probably not the 1st time the person or persons has done something like this. I agree that this was personal but it must take a person with absolutely no remorse to murder a 6 year child.

Someone or someones, from the get go, didn't want anyone looking for this family based on some of the other forums I've read (THERE ARE NO MISSING JAMISON'S). I guess this made me feel really sad yesterday when I was making Sunday dinner that nobody in their family circle reported them missing.

Is there any other case like this in the general area with the same MO?

 

[Soulmagent]

Is there any other case like this in the general area with the same MO?

Which MO are we going with ?

Never mind..Yes to any MO you pick.

 

[OkieGranny]

No word from Tulessa?

No, not a peep. I'll try sending an e-mail to Mr. Knittle of The Oklahoman and see if he'll come through with a copy of that incident report for us.

Is there any other case like this in the general area with the same MO?

I went here

http://www.okruralhealthworks.org/

and looked up crime stats for Latimer and the surrounding counties around the time of the Jamisons' disappearance:

Latimer County, pop. 11,019
2008 1 murder, 1 rape
2009 1 rape
2010 1 rape

Pushmataha County (to the south), pop. 11,205
2008 3 rapes
2009 1 murder, 1 rape
2010 1 murder

Haskell County (to the north), pop. 12,938
2008 5 rapes
2009 2 murders
2010 1 rape

Pittsburg County (to the west), pop. 45,048
2008 3 murders, 8 rapes
2009 2 murders, 7 rapes
2010 3 murders, 11 rapes

LeFlore County (to the east), pop. 49,873
2008 2 murders, 20 rapes
2009 4 murders, 10 rapes
2010 2 murders, 5 rapes

I found no one else in these counties who went missing during these years, but Barbara Ann Durant went missing from Pittsburg County in 2012 and Heather Jeannine Patrick of Wilburton vanished earlier this year.

 

[Soulmagent]

For some reason it wouldnt let me url post this,but here is an addy that leads people to believe that people ,at least one time thought something was going on in southeastern OK.

I think farther sleuthing from Little produced the it is in the water conclusion I currently hold. Although that alone shows you that people are drinking from the same pond.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91813&page=2

 

[Mapman]

For some reason it wouldnt let me url post this,but here is an addy that leads people to believe that people ,at least one time thought something was going on in southeastern OK.

I think farther sleuthing from Little produced the it is in the water conclusion I currently hold. Although that alone shows you that people are drinking from the same pond.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91813&page=2

Using the information from previous posts Latimer county had 1 murder and 3 rapes during the 3 year period from 2008-2010. If Latimer county has a population of 11,000 the statistics would be 3 murders/100,000 and 9 rapes/100,000 per year according to my questionable math. According to the internet the statistics for Tulsa for the same time period there were 57 murders/100,000 and 176 rapes/100,000 per year. I'm not seeing why Latimer county seems so scarey to people when its murder and rape rate appears to be 1/19 of Tulsa's rate. Maybe I goofed up on the math.

 

[OkieGranny]

Using the information from previous posts Latimer county had 1 murder and 3 rapes during the 3 year period from 2008-2010. If Latimer county has a population of 11,000 the statistics would be 3 murders/100,000 and 9 rapes/100,000 per year according to my questionable math. According to the internet the statistics for Tulsa for the same time period there were 57 murders/100,000 and 176 rapes/100,000 per year. I'm not seeing why Latimer county seems so scarey to people when its murder and rape rate appears to be 1/19 of Tulsa's rate. Maybe I goofed up on the math.

The numbers don't make it seem quite like the wild, wild West, do they? Perhaps the sense of danger is more perceived than warranted. I certainly have no desire to travel to that mountain, not without some serious weaponry and possibly an ex-Mossad bodyguard, but that's just me.

Received a reply from Mr. Knittle that the incident report with GPS coordinates from the LCSO will be forwarded shortly. Sent from his phone so I'm guessing he's out of the office at the moment. Stay tuned!

 

[Soulmagent]

Using the information from previous posts Latimer county had 1 murder and 3 rapes during the 3 year period from 2008-2010. If Latimer county has a population of 11,000 the statistics would be 3 murders/100,000 and 9 rapes/100,000 per year according to my questionable math. According to the internet the statistics for Tulsa for the same time period there were 57 murders/100,000 and 176 rapes/100,000 per year. I'm not seeing why Latimer county seems so scarey to people when its murder and rape rate appears to be 1/19 of Tulsa's rate. Maybe I goofed up on the math.

I suppose it is the history of cases . The mystery fires ,unlocated victims or offenders or both. Very awful cases that go years back. It didnt start being scarey in 2008.

I suppose alot of people would be kept off any mountain in oklahoma after Jody Wilson was found murdered on one ,35 miles(not exact) from where this family went missing from.

Then I dont know that I would be excited about going over to a town who's Sheriff was arrested for rapping inmates (or however they worded whatever Holly was actually charged )

Or where an officers brother killed a man and stuck him in a barrel ,or the dispatcher was arrested prescription fraud (or something close) .

2009 alone was a scarey time Neff, Jody, The Jamisons.

 

[OkieGranny]

Okay, this is the incident report released to the press by the LCSO. I blacked out the name of the civilian who found the remains, and also the name of the Drug and Violent Crime Task Force agent just to be on the safe side, in case he ever works undercover or something. I would want to keep a low profile if I had that job.

Maps to follow.

 

[Soulmagent]

Anyone care to guess what they mean by "field woods fenced in enclosure'' ?

 

[OkieGranny]

In this first image, I've marked the GPS coordinates recorded by the LCSO and also the coordinates posted last week on FTJ that were reportedly provided the by the state ME's office. As you can see, they are in relatively close proximity, about 500 feet apart. I wouldn't be surprised if both sets of coordinates are more or less correct, with bones found scattered between them:

The second image gives a sense of the topography of the immediate area. The red dot marks the location of the remains:

The location of the remains in relation to the well site where the truck was found:

And a topographical view of the larger area. I am apparently unable to draw a straight line, but the blue line is meant to emphasize the formidable terrain the Jamisons would've had to navigate in order to travel on foot from one point to the other. Just keep in mind that the closer together those wavy little lines are, the steeper the slope:

 

[OkieGranny]

Anyone care to guess what they mean by "field woods fenced in enclosure'' ?

My guess is that the remains were found on private property that was surrounded by a fence, more or less level, with a lot of trees on it.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

It looks like the remains were found within a little "peninsula" of land, 3/4 surrounded by trails or roads of some kind? So...accessible with the proper vehicle?

 

[OkieGranny]

It looks like the remains were found within a little "peninsula" of land, 3/4 surrounded by trails or roads of some kind? So...accessible with the proper vehicle?

If anyone is not yet aware, the remains of JaRay Wilson may have been found just north of Weatherford, OK. A terrible day for her family, so please say a prayer for them.

Shamus, there are lots and lots of dirt roads criss-crossing that area and it was difficult to determine which might be main routes on and off the mountain, so it finally occurred to me to let Google Maps decide. So I entered the truck coordinates and had it show me the routes from the well site to Wilburton, to Panola, to Red Oak, to Kinta, to Quinton, and to several other smaller communities in the surrounding area. Then I traced the roads it showed me in red, along with any alternate routes offered.

There may be shortcuts or other routes the local residents prefer to use but, to the best I was able to determine, I think the routes traced in red are likely to be the main ones.

And, yes, the roads surrounding the location where the remains were found would be accessible by a proper vehicle. Preferably a truck equipped with four-wheel drive.