OK OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

[little726]

Little, no I have not made it yet; holidays and a little too cold, snowed again today, its colder on the this lake, than my house in montana. I think ill have to reconsider my winter home.

Zollie, I'd like to hear your thoughts on SH long line of businesses.

 

[zollie]

Little, I like the one called carrill cuarto de milla reminds me of ruidoso downs or sallisaw.

 

[little726]

Little, I like the one called carrill cuarto de milla reminds me of ruidoso downs or sallisaw.

Please explain!

 

[Mapman]

There is no doubt to me that the thing on the left is a "Camo-painted" something. I almost wondered if it is a camo holster holding a pink gun and we may be seeing the bottom of the gun's handle + clip pointing at us. Or maybe a pink stun gun in the holster.
But just not sure if that is a pink gun in a holster or not. Or the pink item could just be a separate item to the right of the camo item.

The camo item could also be a GPS or 2-way radio, as I have seen Camo painted GPS devices before.

It seems a lot of things are painted camo these days, but usually they are hunting oriented items like GPS, guns, 2-way Radios, Holsters, etc.

Im going to try to search for any pink colored guns to see if I see a handle clip area that may look like that pink thing's bottom.

I cropped and re-sized the picture of the red device and camo thing in the dash compartment with the hope of seeing more detail. The shiny objects to the left of the camo thing do appear to be coins as mentioned by a previous poster. The camo thing is beginning to look like a zip-up pouch that has been left opened towards the red device. Across the side of the pouch facing the camera is what looks like a small strip of cloth probably sewn to the front and back faces of the pouch, possibly for stress relief. It looks like writing similar to the letter W or number 46 or 56 and some smaller writing is on this strip. Faintly visible is what appears to be a zipper pull-handle hanging downwards from where the two halves of the pouch opening come together, and the small hole in the end of the pull-handle can be seen right over the bottom edge of the pouch next to the lower end of the small cloth strip. I don't know how much detail is visible in the attached pictures because they lose resolution during the upload process.

If this is a zipper pouch I would think that the black colored edge facing the camera is elastic or something similar sewn across the sides of the pouch. It doesn't make sense that the sides would be open if the pouch zips closed. Perhaps this is a small general purpose zip-up camo pouch. It might not be designed specifically to be a holster or even recognizable as a holster, but it could possibly be used to carry a very small .22, a small gps, or a variety of other small objects. It now appears to me that the pouch is probably empty because the red device can be seen behind and through the opened end of the pouch. If the red device is a typical size cell phone, the pouch is small because it appears to be about as deep as the red device is in length.

I don't believe that the red device is the handle of a pistol because the bottom of it is not symmetrical, and it has a small irregular shaped hole that appears more intended to accept a cable or electrical cord than a bullet magazine. Normally a magazine is inserted into the bottom of a semi-auto pistol handle and you can either see the mostly rectangular outline of the magazine opening or sometimes the flat base of the magazine will completely cover the bottom of the handle. There should not be a small irregular shaped hole in the bottom of a pistol handle.

The meta-data contained in the well sign picture indicated that the picture was taken with a Blackberry 9000. The phone in the attached picture of the money and phone looks very much like the picture of a Blackberry 9000 also attached. Unless someone has seen another phone somewhere else in the pictures that have been made available it seems very likely that the red device is Sherilyn's phone or possibly a shocker although the case with open sides isn't like any case that I'm familiar with.

 

[Solitaryone]

I've been wondering something. I don't remember where I read this, but maybe one of you will. When the Jamison's truck was first reported to LE, didn't the caller, who as far as I know was never identified, just report the truck as being on the mountain in a casual way, but then this person or someone else, later called LE back to emphasize just how long the truck had been parked up there? Does this sound familiar to anyone?

I was/am wondering just WHO reported the Jamison truck the first time AND the later call. It seemed to me that whoever the caller was, may not have wanted to mention how long the truck was there in the first call to LE, but may have had an interest in making sure the truck was found, and maybe LE wasn't responding as quickly as this person wanted, so they called LE back to tell them how long the truck had been there. Why not mention this in first call to LE? Could whoever have made those calls have some knowledge of what happened to the Jamison's?

( Not sure if Maisy was mentioned in one or both calls.)

I hope someone knows what I'm talking about and where to read that account. It's been awhile since I read it, so if I got anything wrong, I apologize in advance.

To all here, thank's for keeping this case going here! Very impressed with all the hard work!

 

[wastrel]

it seems very likely that the red device is Sherilyn's phone or possibly a shocker although the case with open sides isn't like any case that I'm familiar with.

I remember reading somewhere Sherilnns friend the one who runs the FB page saying the pink thing in the glove box was her pink cell phone holder/cover.
ll try to find the link. https://www.facebook.com/FINDTHEJAMISONS somewhere.

 

[Hatfield]

I cropped and re-sized the picture of the red device and camo thing in the dash compartment with the hope of seeing more detail. The shiny objects to the left of the camo thing do appear to be coins as mentioned by a previous poster. The camo thing is beginning to look like a zip-up pouch that has been left opened towards the red device. Across the side of the pouch facing the camera is what looks like a small strip of cloth probably sewn to the front and back faces of the pouch, possibly for stress relief. It looks like writing similar to the letter W or number 46 or 56 and some smaller writing is on this strip. Faintly visible is what appears to be a zipper pull-handle hanging downwards from where the two halves of the pouch opening come together, and the small hole in the end of the pull-handle can be seen right over the bottom edge of the pouch next to the lower end of the small cloth strip. I don't know how much detail is visible in the attached pictures because they lose resolution during the upload process.

If this is a zipper pouch I would think that the black colored edge facing the camera is elastic or something similar sewn across the sides of the pouch. It doesn't make sense that the sides would be open if the pouch zips closed. Perhaps this is a small general purpose zip-up camo pouch. It might not be designed specifically to be a holster or even recognizable as a holster, but it could possibly be used to carry a very small .22, a small gps, or a variety of other small objects. It now appears to me that the pouch is probably empty because the red device can be seen behind and through the opened end of the pouch. If the red device is a typical size cell phone, the pouch is small because it appears to be about as deep as the red device is in length.

I don't believe that the red device is the handle of a pistol because the bottom of it is not symmetrical, and it has a small irregular shaped hole that appears more intended to accept a cable or electrical cord than a bullet magazine. Normally a magazine is inserted into the bottom of a semi-auto pistol handle and you can either see the mostly rectangular outline of the magazine opening or sometimes the flat base of the magazine will completely cover the bottom of the handle. There should not be a small irregular shaped hole in the bottom of a pistol handle.

The meta-data contained in the well sign picture indicated that the picture was taken with a Blackberry 9000. The phone in the attached picture of the money and phone looks very much like the picture of a Blackberry 9000 also attached. Unless someone has seen another phone somewhere else in the pictures that have been made available it seems very likely that the red device is Sherilyn's phone or possibly a shocker although the case with open sides isn't like any case that I'm familiar with.

Thanks for the blow-up pic, and I agree with most everything you mentioned.

I agree the shiny things are coins, and that helps scale the other items. The items are smaller than I thought because the coins give us a feel for how small the items are.

I also agree that camo thing seems to be more of a "zipper purse" type thing. It does seem to have a zipper enclosure and your pic shows that clearly.

I also agree that the pink thing is most likely NOT a gun because that black end does seem to be a place to plug in something like a charger-cord plug or something.

The pink thing is most likely either a phone or a stun gun, or like the other poster said, maybe a phone case. Some cases do have openings to allow things to be plugged in through the case.

What makes all the things that LE found in the vehicle so strange is it seems that the Jamesons would not leave all these things in the vehicle like this, unless they were close by the vehicle. Normally, if you leave a vehicle to go on a hike, you would make attempts to cover up items like that pink thing.

It is so strange this case. 3 lives. It is so sad and that poor little girl. We desparately need answers to what happened to them.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Thanks for the pics and info on the Blackberry.

I'd like to point out that the Blackberry's main power button is on the front of the phone, as opposed to being on the side. It's the red hang-up button. IMO the dog could easily step on that to turn the phone on. Like I said in a pervious post, when you turn on your phone a notification may pop up about new voicemails and one press on the trackball in the middle of the phone would probably dial it.

There was also question of why the voicemail calls post-disappearance appeared differently on the call log and I have a theory for that as well. While still alive, BJ probably dialed *86 to check his voicemail. I have mentioned that if the dog made the call, it would have been through a notification of some sort that told you there's new voicemail(s) and asks if you would like to check them. I'm betting that when you dial VM that way, the phone just dials it's own number, instead of the *86 (or whatever his carrier uses for VM) like BJ had been dialing.

Those "weird" VM calls showed up as BRISTO, OK on the call log. I don't have BJ's phone number so I can't verify this, but I would bet that his phone number was registered or originated from Bristo, and that's why you see Bristo on the bill.

 

[Mapman]

Thanks for the pics and info on the Blackberry.

I'd like to point out that the Blackberry's main power button is on the front of the phone, as opposed to being on the side. It's the red hang-up button. IMO the dog could easily step on that to turn the phone on. Like I said in a pervious post, when you turn on your phone a notification may pop up about new voicemails and one press on the trackball in the middle of the phone would probably dial it.

There was also question of why the voicemail calls post-disappearance appeared differently on the call log and I have a theory for that as well. While still alive, BJ probably dialed *86 to check his voicemail. I have mentioned that if the dog made the call, it would have been through a notification of some sort that told you there's new voicemail(s) and asks if you would like to check them. I'm betting that when you dial VM that way, the phone just dials it's own number, instead of the *86 (or whatever his carrier uses for VM) like BJ had been dialing.

Those "weird" VM calls showed up as BRISTO, OK on the call log. I don't have BJ's phone number so I can't verify this, but I would bet that his phone number was registered or originated from Bristo, and that's why you see Bristo on the bill.

This makes a lot of sense and would explain the VM anomalies.

 

[TooCurious]

I've also been bothered by the tire track next to the front driver's side tire of the truck. Because of the track's proximity to the truck tire it seems that it had to be placed there before the truck was placed in the position shown in the photo. The track also seems pretty well defined to have been through a 4” rain which suggests that it was placed there after the rain. It also seems strange that the track just stops near the truck tire which means that if it was left by another vehicle entering the location, the vehicle would have had to stop and back out over exactly the same track which seems unlikely. Also, there is a surprising amount of dirt/mud on the tread of the driver's side tire which suggests that the tire rolled through some mud after the 4” rain because so much mud remains on the tire. Furthermore, it appears that the truck is is not parallel to the road which seems odd because if Bobby was driving along the road and merely stopped, the truck would most likely have been fairly parallel to the road. Does anyone know for a fact that the truck was not moved between the time of its discovery and the taking of the photograph? Perhaps the track was made by the Jamison truck while being maneuvered forward and backward to get it out of the way. But how could the truck have been maneuvered unless LE had somehow obtained a key? Confusing.

I am glad you wrote this because another thing is bothering me as well and I noticed it after I read this. Look how those tires are positioned. There is a portion of the truck tire that is not protected by the truck. After 4" of rain, that tire should be just about clean if it was parked there before the storm. I am glad I am not the only one hung up on the rain/mud issue and the tracks.
Back to the phone. Are we to believe the dog stayed in the car 4 days without stepping on the phone and then stepping on it twice in 2 hours and not again for 5 days? Also, the records do not show anymore incoming calls between the 9th and 12th except for that time period the VM calls were made and none reported afterward either. Is this because the phone was turned off, then on, then back off? Are we to believe a dog did this? Or did LE not divulge all calls? I can't buy Iinto the dog scenario. Is it just luck then that there were 2 incoming calls in that time frame or is it more plausible that the phone was turned on then off after the time frame?

 

[TobyWong*]

djcoma that is a good theory re: the voicemail name variations. I'm not inclined to believe the dog did the pressing though. imo if the button was pushed like that it was whoever did the family harm and maybe knew that was their truck but kept a distance until they felt comfortable approaching it. I might then attribute the odd incoming call from this persons own cell (a throw away perhaps) or them asking a friend via text on their own phone to call the blackberry?? (again maybe a throw away or imo we would have info on whose phone it was coming from)
imo if they were murdered, imo it had to be a localish person who either took them from truck site and waited to return to that site. Or killed them while they were walking (but that doesnt explain to me why their stuff was all in truck) after killing them in the woods searched for their vehicle knowing the family had to arrive in area driving one. Maybe it took days to locate it. Or maybe locals were talking about abandoned truck for a few days and perp learned its location that way.

I'm gonna backtrack on the perp having to be local. It could be someone they had known that knew exactly where they would be. Or even met them at their request (that we don't know about) who then had to leave the area after the murders to participate in their own lives as normal then returned to area and checked the truck/phone to see if anyone was looking for them. idk. I keep thinking if perp knew them, they would have searcued truck for cash.

 

[Mapman]

My knowledge of the phone calls comes only from reading the comments in these posts. Is there an actual call log that has been been made available?

 

[TooCurious]

My understanding is that Mtrooper was an "insider" and she provided the log. Maybe there were calls inbetween and after but I have never heard them mentioned.
I would like to see the call times to VM. If they vary, then we have to believe not only did the dog call VM but hung up and the called again and hung up again. If they are really close in time then the calls would have just timed out and no dog hang up necessary.
I never read anywhere that LE moved the vehicle before photos. Can anyone verify this? If it was moved are there pics of it in it's original position.

 

[Hatfield]

I tend to agree that the dog probably didnt make the phone calls by accident. Its possible, but just seems unlikely to me.

I keep thinking that someone knew that dog was in the vehicle and didnt want the dog to die. I know it is strange if a perp killed all 3 people that they would care about the dog more than the people, but i keep thinking that the calls to LE about the truck being there was someone knowledgeable that the dog was still inside.

Just a guess, but if a perp(s) killed all 3 people, and then went back to the truck and noticed there was a dog inside, they may have wanted to be sure LE saved that dog.

 

[TooCurious]

Even if they did move the truck the day they took the pictures, there isn't enough mud on the road to stick to the tires. 4" of rain=cleaner tires. Would it also wash the mud off of the doors? That rain storm is a big deal IMO. When was the earliest report of the truck on the mountain abandoned?

 

[deca]

I guess it depends on the type of soil in that area. Where I live we have MUD- thick clay and honestly! I have washed shoes and clothes in the washing machine and not been able to get the mud off.
So, is it sandy soil or clay soil up there?

 

[wfgodot]

Either silt or clay loam in that area it looks like.

 

[Mapman]

I don't know enough about how BJ's phone was set up or where it was located inside the truck to form a strong opinion about dog dialing. When I purchased my flip phone the sales person set it up to dial VM merely by pressing "1" for 2 seconds. Once initiated by pressing "1" my phone will call VM, log in, play my messages, and eventually disconnect without my pressing any other key. If BJ's Blackberry was configured in this way and the keyboard was not locked out, a dog could could have called VM many times if the phone happened to be located where the dog could step on the keys.

My opinion about the road grime at the bottom of the doors on the truck is that rain would not have washed it off. The door's curve might protect the grime from the rain, but mostly that kind of grime is often more difficult to remove than regular mud.

 

[Mapman]

When was the earliest report of the truck on the mountain abandoned?

I can't say that I know for certain, but I have been under the impression that LE responded quickly to the report of the abandoned truck. This makes sense if the reporting person informed LE that the truck had been there for 10 days and contained a starving and dehydrated dog. I assume that this would be the “discovery” date of October 17 in the Sheriff's press release dated 10/30/09. I'm also pretty sure that the presence of the truck was known by the locals from the time the Jamisons were last seen on October 8.

 

[Mapman]

I never read anywhere that LE moved the vehicle before photos. Can anyone verify this? If it was moved are there pics of it in it's original position.

I couldn't find any other picture that showed the position of the truck. I looked at some of the other pictures of the contents of the truck, but not enough of countryside was visible in these pictures for me to estimate the location. We know that LE discovered the truck on the 17th and we know that the OSBI executed a search warrant on the truck on the 29th in McAlester. Although the truck wasn't necessarily moved directly from Panola mountain to McAlester it seems to me that it would have been prudent to do so to preserve the integrity of any evidence in the truck.

I'm having some difficulty believing that the truck remained on the mountain for 12 days after its discovery, but if this occurred, it would have been plenty of time for the truck to have been moved between the numerous pictures that were taken. Perhaps the truck was transported to McAlester long before the 29th but the search warrant wasn't requested upon the truck's arrival.

A previous poster indicated that the truck had been moved before the picture was taken, but I don't know the basis for that statement.