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You can't. None of it."big voice in repub party" yet claims to be Sovereign Citizen. Make it make sense.
You can't. None of it."big voice in repub party" yet claims to be Sovereign Citizen. Make it make sense.
At the time that the visitation terms (exchange of children) were ordered (?), was there possibly a viable business located there? Early on, in this case, I saw/heard reference to "The Trading Post," (possibly) at the location that subsequently closed down, at some point.With such a contentious custody battle going on I am shocked that no one thought that an abandoned gas station in the middle of nowhere might not be a safe place to make an exchange. Perhaps there should be a requirement for public location custody exchanges when one is embroiled in a custody battle. People can get very emotional and do stupid things in these situations. moo
abandoned gas station
In most cases, ranchers have the knowledge and ability to process their stock for personal consumption. Just like a hunter knows how to dress a deer. The meat is for their own, not for sale to the public. Public sale requires certification and is subject to USDA stds.Has the "butcher" thing been confirmed? I've heard one of them owns a cattle company, but that's not the same thing as a "butcher" in my mind.
MOO This was a planned murder. Often the contentiousness is first and total, getting away with it takes backseat in planning.With such a contentious custody battle going on I am shocked that no one thought that an abandoned gas station in the middle of nowhere might not be a safe place to make an exchange. Perhaps there should be a requirement for public location custody exchanges when one is embroiled in a custody battle. People can get very emotional and do stupid things in these situations. moo
abandoned gas station
Bolding mine.I felt as though the women were no longer here but let myself believe they were disposed of (apologizing in advance-gruesome) intact and well hidden. Now I am not so sure. Dismemberment may be possible (Hard time even typing that). I would like to think as evil as the four “not so young and restless” are, and for the kids’ sake, I hope they did not go that route. But OMG, if they did….Epitome of evil.
Look at all the children holding hands in the prayer lines and circles. How on earth do their parents explain the unexplainable?
Former Okie here. The women will probably end up at Mabel Bassett Corrections Center in McCloud, OK. It has the women's death row facility.McAlester Oklahoma
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I wonder how much the two children know and what T may have told them.Yes, so many people affected.
I would add prayers for the Twombly children. They will likely face cruel remarks from other children and will have to come to terms with how their parents, whom they presumably loved and trusted, could do such terrible things.
A woman I knew hired a hit man to kill her husband. It was successful. She was closer to an acquaintance than a friend, but it messed with my head for several years (trying to understand how I could not have seen she would be capable of doing something like that, realizing we can't always see people's true nature and then not trusting people as easily). I can't imagine how children can process something like this.
Veronica's children have both lost their mother (presumably) and will have to deal with their grandmother having done it.
Jilian's children at least have the knowledge that she died helping someone, though they of course have the trauma of losing their mother.
And all of these children, as well as children in the area who are aware of this case, have lost some of their innocence.
Such a senseless, horrible crime.
This is what I think happened. TA knew CT COULD do this. Even if he just helped with the killing...they still could have buried them on any of their massive land holdings.In most cases, ranchers have the knowledge and ability to process their stock for personal consumption. Just like a hunter knows how to dress a deer. The meat is for their own, not for sale to the public. Public sale requires certification and is subject to USDA stds.
<modsnip: Quoted post was modsnipped> ... IMO, this was 1000% about control.<modsnip: quoted post was removed>
What’s even worse, this is MOO, but I have a hunch the only reason the grandmother wanted custody over the children was likely for her own gain—perhaps state benefits $ or worse.
And sadly, the loss of a mother is what these children will vividly remember around this time of the year. I will continue to wonder what these killers think is going to be the final outcome? You are going to be caught! Destroying lives for absolutely no reason.So it goes - children are 9 and 6 years of age. At that age usually grandma’s have some influence.
Feb, 2017 child’s father initiated shared custody. Instead the Court awarded VB full custody, child’s father given visitation rights.
- Then in 2021 Child’s father appealed, requesting joint custody in the best interests of the children.
- VB did not file an Answer Brief to the appeal, appeal proceeded on the basis of child’s father Brief only.
- Appeals Court reversed custody decision and remanded it to the lower court “with instructions to enter into a shared custody arrangement”.
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Then what happened? How did it come to pass that VB’s visits with her children were required to be supervised, meanwhile the child’s father (who appeared only to have wanted joint custody) spiralled downward out of control, requiring rehab. Who had custody? Couldn’t have been the father. Grandma?
The past is the past but whatever occurred, the seeds were planted resulting in both VB and JK having to drive to pick up the children to celebrate a birthday the fateful day they were murdered.
I think she COVETED them....<modsnip: quoted post was removed>
What’s even worse, this is MOO, but I have a hunch the only reason the grandmother wanted custody over the children was likely for her own gain—perhaps state benefits $ or worse.
I love this. Look for the helpers. Managing feelings. Kids need to hear this.Look for the helpers. The wonderful Fred Rogers often talked about how when he saw scary things on the news, his mother would tell him to look for the helpers, because there are always people who are helping. That may be the best thing we can do as parents: help our children look for the helpers. In all of the recent tragedies, as in all tragedies, there were so many helpers and heroes. When we concentrate on those people, not only do we give our children hope, but we may empower them to one day be helpers too. *brings so many happy memories of my kids watching him
Talking to children about tragedies and scary headlines in the news - Harvard Health
When news of the world is overwhelming and awful, our first instinct is usually to shelter our children and not say anything about it to them at all, a strategy that's usually not viable...www.health.harvard.edu
With control comes power. What a megalomaniac!I agree with all you say- with the exception of wanting the kids for financial gain. IMO, this was 1000% about control.
If she hadn't been popped for the murders, Tifany would have eventually sought full-custody, icing out her own son. JMO.
Totally agree with you...planned. I also wonder why the regular person to supervise the visit, the one that the grandmother favored, was unavailable.MOO This was a planned murder. Often the contentiousness is first and total, getting away with it takes backseat in planning.