I was looking over the Oklahoma StatutesWas the decision to hold defendants without bail held-over to the morning? Hopefully there is no bail for any of the defendants.
Cora's daughter is the prime witness, perhaps supported by a 5th possibly participant in the murders. I think her parents and their friends should remain in jail for her protection.
^^bubmAPR 16, 2024
The suspects are due to appear before a Texas County judge at 9:30 a.m. They will hear their charges and be advised of their constitutional rights.4 suspects in Texas County double murder case to appear in court
The four suspects linked to the murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley are expected in court Wednesdaywww.koco.com
The possibility of bail may be discussed, but it has been set for the four suspects, and they have not yet bonded out of jail.
^^bubmBail has been set but none have yet bonded out? Whaaaaaa?
Anyone see how much the bail is?
Regardless of what anyone said or didn’t say was “necessary”, it seems like anyone could still choose to do hand offs in the parking lot of the police station. I guess both parties would need to agree to that though.In one of the court documents from the custody case, it says that they used to have LE there at the child exchange time for safety reasons, and that this was by VB's request. HOWEVER, it also says that they stopped doing that, despite VB continuing to request this, because the cops decided it was UNNECESSARY! So they thought she was just saying they needed to be there, probably to make TA and/or Wrangler look bad, when really she was at no risk from them, so no need for LE to come anymore. And this is documented, on record, of them saying this, so I hope this comes up later.
Yes.Do you guys know what the scoop on Wrangler is? I mean is it confirmed he was in rehab?
What an awful thought to think that he'll ever be out in the community, again, because my impression was that he knew a murder was planned (told his grandmother).Yes.
The two children were in Adams' custody when Butler and Kelley disappeared, and investigators confirmed that their father was in an Oklahoma City rehabilitation facility.Affidavit reveals possible motivation behind plot to kill 2 Kansas women in Oklahoma Panhandle
Newly released court documents provide new details about the investigation into the disappearance of two Kansas women who went missing in late March while in Oklahoma.www.wlwt.com
Do you have a link to that document?In one of the court documents from the custody case, it says that they used to have LE there at the child exchange time for safety reasons, and that this was by VB's request. HOWEVER, it also says that they stopped doing that, despite VB continuing to request this, because the cops decided it was UNNECESSARY! So they thought she was just saying they needed to be there, probably to make TA and/or Wrangler look bad, when really she was at no risk from them, so no need for LE to come anymore. And this is documented, on record, of them saying this, so I hope this comes up later.
Yep, it's a no brainer. They're not going anywhere. MOOMy Opinion. I'm confident in saying ,
None of them will have bond !
There's just too much to all of this !
I doubt whether prosecutors offer a plea deal to everyone. I think it's pretty strategic, sometimes they want to avoid a trial because it will require painful testimony from too many, sometimes they want to guarantee convictions so will offer a deal to one person in exchange for testimony against.the others...I think they decide on deals on a case by case basis, balancing public interest vs risk of losing a case.I also think they will take a plea deal so that all of their skeletons don't come out. I can easily see this getting pled down and no trial, which means the public will never know the depths they went to, who was all involved, and for how long.
That’s a curious thought because the optics are sketchy. Something had to be at play to get him there. It wasn’t just a coincidence so he decided to resign and get out quick.The suspects might have realized that an arrest was pending, so one suspect phone an old friend, the Judge, to step in and take charge? Did this judge know about the warrants?
Is bond granted in death penalty cases in Oklahoma?In Oklahoma, common types of bail include:
- Surety Bond: A surety bond is bail posted by a third party. A bail bond company may post the bail amount due with the court for a 10 percent or 15 percent payment. Notably, surety bond will not be refunded to the defendant or their family members, as the bail bondsman keep that amount as their fee.
- Cash Bond: A cash bond is as simple and straightforward as you think. In Oklahoma, a defendant may be allowed to post cash bail with the court. Assuming they attend all court dates, their cash bail will be refunded.
- Property Bond: Oklahoma allows many defendants to use property to post bail. With a property bond, a defendant can usually real property—most of a home—as collateral to post the full bail amount owed to the court.
- Personal Recognizance Bond: For minor crimes (typically non-violent misdemeanor offenses), a defendant may be released on a “personal recognizance” or “own recognizance” bond. Also known as a PR bond, this type of bail only requires the defendant to sign a written agreement promising to return to court.
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Thank you, I was wondering why they didn't do this at the police station or at least a busy public area.In one of the court documents from the custody case, it says that they used to have LE there at the child exchange time for safety reasons, and that this was by VB's request. HOWEVER, it also says that they stopped doing that, despite VB continuing to request this, because the cops decided it was UNNECESSARY! So they thought she was just saying they needed to be there, probably to make TA and/or Wrangler look bad, when really she was at no risk from them, so no need for LE to come anymore. And this is documented, on record, of them saying this, so I hope this comes up later.
Confirmed rehab in the Arrest Warrant. However, there is a suggestion that Wrangler told a grandmother in February that his custody issues with Veronica would be solved and his mother knew where the Judge walked to work.Do you guys know what the scoop on Wrangler is? I mean is it confirmed he was in rehab?
Reference a possible type of flatbed truck up thread (I.e. post #1003 in three 3 and the antecedent message post #960 in thread #3) - link below:
I was attempting to clarify - that absent pictures of the vehicle - one cannot be certain, although it might be such as this image here. Typically referred to as a roll-back truck TMK, or flat bed ‘tow’ truck. I was not referring to a pick up truck or pick up flat bed, rather something larger. And which could be used to haul another vehicle or a skid-steer.
It is not certain what type of vehicle the witness was referring to, but IIRC it was only indicated as a ‘flatbed truck’. MOO
Post in thread 'OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #3 *Arrests*'
OK - OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #3 *Arrests*
I'm guessing that Cole Twombly's flat bed truck was used to transport the skid steer loader to the burial location, and then back to Twombly's cattle ranch. If so, and to be consistent with Tifany's claim that Veronica cancelled the visit, then the plan was to remove Veronica's car from Hwy 95 and Road L. Why bring a flat bed truck to a murder scene where the vehicle is evidence?
My guess the flatbed truck mentioned was about the size of an F350 and used to transport 2000 lb round bales to feed cattle. They are a flatbed but a very short flat bed. The Twombly's needed two vehicles for the diversion, one up the road for the lookout and the second for the road obstruction on HWY 95.That is why they needed 2 phones IMO.
Skid loaders are rarely moved on a flatbed because of the need for a loading "dock" to get the loader on and off the truck. Skid loaders are almost always transported on a "lowboy" trailer in which the skid steer can be driven on and off the trailer. One of the Twombly vehicles could have been towing a trailer (probably a cattle trailer) to block the roadway. JMO
IMO there was no skid loader at the incident site.
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(emphasis was already in the original text, not added by me) (This was part of a brief written by Wrangler Rickman's atty on Wrangler's behalf when he was seeking sole custody of their children.) ETA And it came from here: https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=appellate&number=DF-119621&cmid=130391Do you have a link to that document?
Gee, maybe the sheriff could have considered that the reason he never witnessed anything during the exchanges to concern him was because HE WAS THERE. AwfulView attachment 497707(emphasis was already in the original text, not added by me) (This was part of a brief written by Wrangler Rickman's atty on Wrangler's behalf when he was seeking sole custody of their children.) ETA And it came from here: https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=appellate&number=DF-119621&cmid=130391
I'm behind so maybe this has already been discussed downstream, but I'd like to leave a few points on this question, just to clarify, not that it makes a difference.LE wouldn't have to be responsible; the solution you mention in Virginia would probably work just fine. Looking at Google Maps, there's a police station right in Elkhart that would have been a far more appropriate place to do the handover, IMO. I just can't understand why anyone ever thought it was appropriate to tell this woman who was scared to death of her eventual murderer that she had to meet that woman out in the middle of nowhere and be a sitting duck.