@ArtisPoor women were terrorized by those goons before dying. Whatever jury they get is going to hate their guts.
Likely that juries (plural) will hate their guts and ALL parts of their anatomies.
imo
@ArtisPoor women were terrorized by those goons before dying. Whatever jury they get is going to hate their guts.
@MyBelle Thanks for your response.I wasn't aware there is a difference between a taser and a stun gun. I also didn't realize a Taser is a brand name but the news articles I've read say TA purchased tasers.
JMO
When that failed, Adams bought burner phones and tasers and plotted to kidnap and kill the victims.Document: Grandmother admits to role in murder of 2 women found dead in Texas County
A grandmother admitted to her role in the murder of two women found dead in Texas County, Oklahoma.According to the motion to hold Tifany Adams without bail, afabc7amarillo.com
Coming in late on this but, from NN wrote this in the article . Court papers ? Haven't seen those . IF you put in (blood was found on the roadway and edge of the roadway near the car) you'll find a lot of news outlets writing the same , but, saying per News Nation. If that's true, then it appears both driver and passenger side women were bleeding a lot. This article seems to cover a few reporters .Brian Entin, Damita Menezes, Jeff Arnold, Laura Ingle ,Devan Markham, Nancy LooWas "pools of blood" ever confirmed? We heard that very early on from "unnamed sources" and people picked up on it and ran with it, but was it confirmed? That's a heck of a lot of blood, which would lead me to believe knives were used. I can see some blood outside the car, if they were bludgeoned, but "pools" sounds like major arteries were sliced wide open.
@simlyme Blood or Pools of Blood?Coming in late on this but, from NN wrote this in the article . Court papers ? Haven't seen those . IF you put in (blood was found on the roadway and edge of the roadway near the car) you'll find a lot of news outlets writing the same , but, saying per News Nation. If that's true, then it appears both driver and passenger side women were bleeding a lot. This article seems to cover a few reporters . Brian Entin, Damita Menezes, Jeff Arnold, Laura Ingle, Devan Markham, Nancy Loo
Kansas moms killings: What we know
New details have emerged about the killings of two Kansas mothers whose suspected killers had a violent history, according to court documents.www.newsnationnow.com
Was blood found near their located vehicle?
Court papers revealed that blood was found on the roadway and edge of the roadway near the car.
Butler’s glasses were also found on the roadway by the car near a broken hammer, according to the probable cause affidavit.
Investigators also said a pistol magazine was found inside Kelley’s purse in the car but that there was no gun found.
“An examination of the vehicle and area surrounding the vehicle found evidence of a severe injury,” the affidavit stated.
^^rsbmDidn't Veronica have to pay for the supervisor, regardless of whether the supervisor had been chosen by TA or VB? If so, perhaps Brune had to contact VB to say she wasn't available for those weeks and to find a replacement. Imo.
Generally, a Court Order for supervised visitation provides the names of the individuals sanctioned by the Court as supervisors, and also defines the instructions for changing the schedule and the deadline to do so. This is to prevent last minute mockery, etc.
From the AA, pages 4-5, we know that TA lied to VB when she stated that CB was not available to supervise visitation on March 30 and requested VB furnish an alternate supervisor from those previously named by the Court:
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IMO As I understand the "confession" by TA was more like an off the cuff remark and not a normal signed confession. Maybe someone has a link to a definite signed confession but to my knowledge there is not one. IMOI don't know if this has been mentioned, but could TA's confession be seen as connected to a motive?
As in, not wanting VB to have custody, just that, not caring if she herself suffers, dies, or gets charged with murder.
Like, " Yeh I killed her, she ain't ever having custody now".
ETA:
If so, it can be added to the unbelievable actions these people have committed.
I think TA's confession was recorded by LE after she was read her rights.IMO As I understand the "confession" by TA was more like an off the cuff remark and not a normal signed confession. Maybe someone has a link to a definite signed confession but to my knowledge there is not one. IMO
I believe with the use of the stun guns and the number of people involved that the perps planned to get away with it and the women and the car would just disappear. IMO TA wanted Veronica out of the way period!! JMO If VB goes away the problems for TA as she saw them would go away. JMO
IMO As I understand the "confession" by TA was more like an off the cuff remark and not a normal signed confession. Maybe someone has a link to a definite signed confession but to my knowledge there is not one. IMO
I believe with the use of the stun guns and the number of people involved that the perps planned to get away with it and the women and the car would just disappear. IMO TA wanted Veronica out of the way period!! JMO If VB goes away the problems for TA as she saw them would go away. JMO
Thank you.I'm not familiar with any reference to a signed confession of the charges filed against the defendant by TA.
However, from both the AA and the Motion to Hold Defendant Without Bail, we know that following TA's arrest on April 13, she made recorded statements to LE during a custodial interview that she was responsible for the deaths of the victims.
IMO, the Court did not discount TA's statements as "off the cuff" when the statements were used by the Court to deem the defendant not eligible for bail consideration pursuant to the Oklahoma Constitution.
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I have been to Oklahoma and Western areas and found people there wonderful. The addition of the fifth arrest has put me into even more horror than before. Perhaps it is the realization of just what complete and total thugs these 5 people are going after 2 women. Maybe it's the kid in me whose feeling of some nobility and inherent goodness in "cowboys" has been destroyed.I was thinking of something, I have never been to Oklahoma, but just going by the FB groups many Oklahomians/ or *this particular area pips* seem deadly serious and highly Christian and don't f with anyone like those. None of these arrested people were granted bail which makes me think there will be no plea deals, they will all be found guilty and all sentenced to death (possibly the women will be spared due to being women and mothers).
This was a planned torture and murder and (what they hoped to be) disappearance of an innocent pastor's wife and mother who took her Easter Day off to help another mother in need. No way are they ever going to see the sun again. Even if the trial was moved to NY. Or Canada. Or Iran! Nowhere. They did the most evil a person can do.
bbm. That's exactly what I was saying.I have been to Oklahoma and Western areas and found people there wonderful. The addition of the fifth arrest has put me into even more horror than before. Perhaps it is the realization of just what complete and total thugs these 5 people are going after 2 women. Maybe it's the kid in me whose feeling of some nobility and inherent goodness in "cowboys" has been destroyed.
A surprise attack, an ambush, by FIVE grown, active, strong people against two women heading to a kid's birthday party? A gang of thugs, lower than animals. Adding that fifth person takes the horror of this up a notch for me.
Good points !I don't know if this has been mentioned, but could TA's confession be seen as connected to a motive?
As in, not wanting VB to have custody, just that, not caring if she herself suffers, dies, or gets charged with murder.
Like, " Yeh I killed her, she ain't ever having custody now".
ETA:
If so, it can be added to the unbelievable actions these people have committed.
Maybe they still think they can be freed by a jury of their peers? Wonder if they think there are enough "Sovereign Citizen" proponents the state and DA will not be able to find 12 people in the county who will vote to convict them.Good points !
Aside from the obvious cruelty of the crime, there's perhaps an element of selfishness ?
I.e., "My way or the highway."
It continues to astound me that they thought they could get away with this !
Omo.
I have been to Oklahoma and Western areas and found people there wonderful. The addition of the fifth arrest has put me into even more horror than before. Perhaps it is the realization of just what complete and total thugs these 5 people are going after 2 women. Maybe it's the kid in me whose feeling of some nobility and inherent goodness in "cowboys" has been destroyed.
A surprise attack, an ambush, by FIVE grown, active, strong people against two women heading to a kid's birthday party? A gang of thugs, lower than animals. Adding that fifth person takes the horror of this up a notch for me.