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I think the boy's outside activities may hold a huge clue to these killings. Was he involved in scouting, karate, church youth outings, swimming, gymnastics, art classes, etc., etc? Did he meet someone at one of these gatherings that fixated on him? Had he emailed or called this person telling him to "leave him alone" thereby angering the person?
 
Just giving the thread a bump, more or less.
I do think some thinking outside the box is needed here. Sufficient time has elapsed and I think we need to assume that LE has exhausted the angry med student angle also possibly the angry patient thing. When you do that, what's left? Either a random act which I'd reject out of hand, way too brutal and angry a crime, or something provoking anger against the boy or his family. I think we can discount the housekeeper- maybe that's a mistake but I'd guess the odds are that this was directed against the Hunters. I would think LE especially the FBI, checked out phone and internet records. It's difficult to imagine something along those lines not being preceeded by a threat, but possibly this was a verbal or written one. Makes you wonder: if so, did or has the family shared this with police? If so, maybe that is the lead I feel they are working on. If not, and one exists, why hasnt it been reported to LE?
No implications intended here- just speculating.
 
If the young boy had been threatened by phone or a written message, he might not have told his parents about it. Perhaps he did something that they would not have approved of and was keeping it to himself. It could have been something as simple as making fun of someone. Some people are very sensitive about things like this......look at Columbine.
 
Just thinking and typing.....How about we brainstorm motives? These murders were 'passionate' IMO. Have we any info as to how FBI has classified the murders? For example, FBI stated the killer in the Sandra Cantu was a 'disorganized killer'. I'm no expert but this double murder seems calculated. The perp must have been an 'organized killer' who planned and thought this through very thoroughly because it seems LE isn't releasing information of progress. Why would someone want to take away the young son of the Hunter's? Had one of the Hunter's 'taken' something from the perp, from the perps point of view? Did someone resent the young Hunter son and all that the Hunter's lifestyle represents? These are tough questions but we should sleuth all angles, IMO.

Respectfully, matilda
 
Hi, I am a resident of Dundee, I live just blocks away from the crime scene, one of my best friends lives directly behind the Hunter’s house. I was in the neighborhood within the first 24 hours keeping an eye out, I have been studying this case for some time. These murders really hit me hard, I still lose sleep thinking about it, I am paranoid constantly, and sometimes when I take the garbage out at night I see things that aren’t there. I have read through this thread and viewed interesting theories, the one I played with in my mind the most is the one about an online gamer coming in contact with Thomas, I see this as a possibility but a very slim one, in online games you play people from around the world, to find someone in your city, to engage with them, and for the person to be a psychopath or someone mentally unstable enough to carry out a cold blooded killing is highly unlikely, but a good theory and one of the best so far, because it seems that Thomas talked to the killer in the dining room before he was actually killed judging by his body placement, the paused video game and the and the housecleaners body placement near her cleaning supplies as if she left the killer and Thomas talking in the dining room, though the video game could have been on pause before the killer even arrived and Thomas could have already been on the main floor before the killer entered the house. A theory that that’s been nagging in my brain is this, the target in my mind was Thomas: a child, now the Hunters’ are both doctors and ive heard all the angry med student and patient theories but think of this: Someone’s child dies under the medical supervision of one of the Hunters’ I mean this stuff happens, what if the child’s parents felt that the proper measures were not taken, that one of the Dr’s was cold and unsympathetic and could have prevented the death of their child, what if this was a person with wealth and bought a semi-professional hit man to kill their child as revenge, this occurred with a friend of mine where my friends mother delivered a miscarriage and the parents threatened to kill my friend as a baby and drove by the house etc, it got to the point where they had to have police protection and have a restraining order. People are doubting that the killer was a professional, I have to say this guy knew what he was doing, to walk in a house without suspicion, coax a maid into letting you in, summon a child, murder both of them with just a knife without causing a commotion or making much noise, then exiting cool clean and collected, I’d like to see any of you pull that off, most people after committing crimes/murders out of passion shake and get extremely sloppy, they certainly wouldn’t take their time leaving the scene, clean and not raising any suspicion. People talking about the knives being left behind, you don’t know if he brought them with him, hell he could have had some in his suitcase and decided to use the ones in the kitchen, and if he did use the ones in the kitchen then he was smart to leave them, if he’s a drifter like people think then he’s better off not taking anything suspicious with him. I personally don’t think we’re messing with an amateur here, there’s a reason police are baffled, he was slick and now he’s invisible, try to pull that off. Other things I’ve heard, when I was talking to a man whose wife works for the Omaha World Herald, she said that she read the full police report and it was much more gruesome than police had told the public, that it was bloody, and mutilation was involved, she wasn’t aloud to say much more. I am still very creeped out about this case the fact that this killer is still out there, a very likely psychopath, among us not only scares me but makes my blood boil.
 
Ryuzaki- welcome to the thread. We have a couple other Omaha people posting as well as interested parties from as far away as the UK. If you don't mind my asking, how did you find us?
A bit of history here- I started this thread last Summer. My wife's family lives in that area- she actually has been in that house, although prior to the time the Hunter's moved there. There was that factor and also by then the feeling that I and lots of others had that nothing at all was being done on the case. In my gut I know that's probably not right. This has had to be a mighty difficult job for OPD and even with the FBI involved it's still unsolved.
I have a son Tommy's age- this whole thing got to me on a personal level so I decided to try to do what I could. My understanding is that local LE is reading these posts, I also suspect strongly the victims' families are as well. Some of the stuff on here has not perhaps in retrospect been well put and some baseless speculation has been posted, some of which could have been hurtful to any of the families viewing. I have had my share of such postings, but it's been a trial and error thing, all of us are feeling our way for answers and sometimes you have to look under rocks for those. BTW, someone close to the investigation told me the perp may be reading our posts as well.
I do not at this time believe this was a random thing, and I do not think the perp is local. He may not have been a pro but he sure acted with a hell of a lot of intelligence and planning. I also believe Tommy was the target. Those should make anyone in Dundee sleep a little better, but it probably won't.
I floated my idea about the on-line thing some time ago. I agree that those games are played by participants all over the world and this being someone local would be unlikely. Still some of the interactive games have capabilities to meet local participants.
I have a very strong feeling, for reasons I will not go into here- that the police are closer than we think on this thing. I also heard the same thing about the brutality involved. This guy is a psychotic and needs to be taken out of circulation.
Thanks again and we hope to see you as a regular on here, it's a nice bunch of people.
 
I agree with all of your statements, i also considered whether the perp was reading these posts, i wouldn't be surprised. I stumbled upon this blog the other night when researching the case, some key words led me to it i think like family names etc. I am very happy to have found this thread because i am the only person i know who has not let this case rest, people have gotten sick of me talking about it theorizing etc.. the kids in my neighborhood, younger brothers of my good friends ran around with Tommy, it is personal. Thank you for taking your time to make this a lot of us needed this.
 
Hi Ryuzaki:
The professional "hit man" is a possibility. A stranger well dressed and carrying a briefcase (good cover). It doesn't sound like he'd been to the house before from the reports that he seemed to be looking for an address. The out of state license plate points to someone from out of town or someone driving a rental car. If he was a professional, he would bring his own knives because he would want them to be sharp and would not want to waste time going through the house looking in drawers for a knife. He would come prepared to carry out the job. And I believe a professional would leave the knives behind in case he was stopped by LE for some reason and his car searched. Professional killers don't come cheap, so who had the money to hire one? Someone affluent perhaps.........???
 
Thanks for the welcome: Snick and T-Rex, i am very pleased to join you

Yellow Dog:
i would agree it would have to be someone with excessive money, that is definitely something to look into when doing background checks on past patients, a wealthy family possibly carrying big clout in Omaha, that is only a theory though.
 
I believe another reason for the briefcase was to carry a pair of gloves so the killer wouldn't leave fingerprints on the knives. The dark overcoat would keep most of the blood from getting on the killer and he could have dumped that anywhere after the murder or even burnt it (which is probably more likely).

As far as the game being on pause, the boy could have known this person was coming to the house and was upstairs waiting for him and could have even been the one who answered the door. If that was the case, the maid would not have come toward the front of the house until she heard the commotion when the boy was being killed.

Someone in this family made someone very, very angry. Who was it though?
 
info on body placement and other long known facts about the case

Yellowdog: like your hypothesis, gloves in the suitcase thats very likely, as for the revenge hitman theory i too am not completely satisfied, theres defnitely too much still in the air to be sure
...Yes, i have read that...........i was hoping after reading your post #265 i was hoping perhaps you were going to b e posting something newer...........We all would like to see the official reports, especially the FBI reports........but we don't have that opportunity at the moment,.........so all we can do is go with what we know, and speculate from there.......we spend a lot of time, speculating on old information, information that may perhaps, now after so many years, or time that has gone by........doesn't even apply to this day, has been discarded and replaced with something newer..........unbeknown to the public of course...........its hard, to try and pick someone of interest\or motive etc, when we all lack updated and relevant information on a case...........the autopsy report?...did your friend tell you Exactly how the two were murder?.........the details that were not released as far as i know?..........can you add anything, that could validate some information by anyone whom has posted here..........if you have, information, obtained from the official LE report.................please, tell us something you know for certain, that was contained inside the report.........so we can get a better idea of the person\mentality we are trying to figure out...............thank you very much\
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oh well i figured you may have looked over that article it's been floating around this thread for some time, you just asked me for validation on body placement. I am very frustrated by the lack of fresh information, wish i could have brought something new, i mean I've heard someone with a connection say something about a suspect who is a Russian male somehow intertwined with the family in a weird way, nothing concrete, as for the way they were killed it is true they were stabbed in the neck, but the husband whose wife read the full police report said that it was far more vicious and gruesome than the police had revealed to the public, thats all he said thats all his wife told him, it was something meant to be kept to herself.
 
Ryuzaki,

:Welcome-12-june:

It's great to have your insightful input. I wanted to clarify that when I stated I felt these murders were 'passionate' I used a poor choice of words. Perhaps a better choice would be 'purposeful'. The killer was organized and felt no threat of being caught committing these murders. He also made sure they were dead, IMO, if the murders were as brutal as rumored.

~respectfully snipped from your post, 4-14-09 17:45~

People are doubting that the killer was a professional, I have to say this guy knew what he was doing, to walk in a house without suspicion, coax a maid into letting you in, summon a child, murder both of them with just a knife without causing a commotion or making much noise, then exiting cool clean and collected, I’d like to see any of you pull that off, most people after committing crimes/murders out of passion shake and get extremely sloppy, they certainly wouldn’t take their time leaving the scene, clean and not raising any suspicion.


I also agree with YellowDog about the killer bringing his own knives. Just trying to think like a criminal here but I'd want to have my own sharpened, cleaned and ready for the task at hand. I say this because as a former restaurant owner, I had my own set of knives that I always had sharpened and ready for all my slicing, dicing, chopping and mincing. This is the case with most chefs, it's easier to work with the ones that are a good fit for you.


I also feel the target was Tom. The timing of these murders is important IMO. I think this person knew Dr. C Hunter was out of town and the murders were carried out at such time so Dr. W Hunter would find the bodies. The vendetta is against Dr. WH from what I surmise. I keep thinking of a phrase another poster a few pages back (apologies, I can't remember who) used during discussion....an eye for an eye...... If this theory is correct, it leads me to ask myself. What could have occured that caused someone to take the most precious thing in Dr. H's life?

Great first post! Thanks for your input.

respectfully,

matilda
 
More years ago than I care to remember, I developed intense interest in the Sherlock Holmes stories, by Arthur Conan Doyle. It's an interest I still maintain and besides having a complete set of all the stories I also have all the Jeremy Brett episodes on DVD. I never tire of them.
One thing that I always remember from these stories is the quote from Holmes to the effect that, when you eliminate the things you know cannot be correct when investigating a case, that which is left, no matter how unlikely it may seem, has to be where the truth lies. Maybe we ought to apply that reasoning, here are a couple of what I think are incorrect theories in this case;
1. That it was a random act by a serial killer. If so, he has an unlikely MO. All wittnesses indicate he was looking for the address. I suppose it possible that one of these perps could be looking up addresses at random in the internet and targeting them that way but I just think that strains credibility.
2. That Shirlee's family was somehow involved- this was a popular theory being talked about early on. I don't think that it is very likely they would be putting up additional money to the reward fund if so. I think we can consign that to the trash bin, and I am happy to do so.
Once you get past these however you are in an area in which almost anything is possible. I agree with YellowDog- this looks to have been someone with a lot of rage toward the Hunter family or possibly toward William Hunter. If he struck when he did knowing that Claire was out of town that sure suggests to me someone with a knowledge of the family, perhaps some medical collegue? I tend to the belief that this killing was done by a semi-pro who was hired for the job.
 
His entrance into the Hunter home and his exit from the home has all the earmarks of a cool, calculated killer there to carry out a job and leave.

Has anything been printed about how long the killer was supposed to have been inside the house? I don't think a hired killer would spend much time in the house. Get the job done and leave as calm and inconspicuously as possible.

The possibilities in this case are endless. I feel like the solution is right before our eyes but we are unable to zone in on it.

The ethnicity of this person keeps coming back into my mind. From the description he appears to be other than caucasian. This in itself should narrow the field down if the drawing is at all accurate.
 
Yellowdog- If memory is correct- and neighborhood eyewittnesses as well- he arrived at about 3:20 PM and was seen leaving about 20 minutes later.
I have wondered a lot what he could have been doing in there, it wouldn't have taken long to do the deed. This may suggest some sort of discussion with Tom in the dining room, which in turn leads to the possibility that he was discussing something with the boy and things went bad, or possibly Tom had something he wanted. It would open up the possibility that he entered the home without murder being a foregone conclusion.
No I don't feel he was caucasion. This in turn leads me to think this may have been a hit- not racial, but just a pragmatic deduction.
I have wondered sometimes how people who hire killers find them- it's not like you go to the yellow pages. You have to do a lot of asking around, always running the risk of talking to an undercover cop.
One thought- could this guy have taken pictures for proof of what he did to give to the person who hired him?
I know what you mean- I sometimes think the answer to the whole thing is right in front of us.
 
Yellowdog- If memory is correct- and neighborhood eyewittnesses as well- he arrived at about 3:20 PM and was seen leaving about 20 minutes later.
I have wondered a lot what he could have been doing in there, it wouldn't have taken long to do the deed. This may suggest some sort of discussion with Tom in the dining room, which in turn leads to the possibility that he was discussing something with the boy and things went bad, or possibly Tom had something he wanted. It would open up the possibility that he entered the home without murder being a foregone conclusion.
No I don't feel he was caucasion. This in turn leads me to think this may have been a hit- not racial, but just a pragmatic deduction.
I have wondered sometimes how people who hire killers find them- it's not like you go to the yellow pages. You have to do a lot of asking around, always running the risk of talking to an undercover cop.
One thought- could this guy have taken pictures for proof of what he did to give to the person who hired him?
I know what you mean- I sometimes think the answer to the whole thing is right in front of us.


He could have easily carried a small digital camera in that briefcase. If it was a hired killing, the person doing the hiring would probably want proof.
 
YellowDog, I know that discussing such sensitive possibilities is required for sleuthing but the very thought of this sends shivers up my spine!
 
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