OR - 6 women found dead near Portland, most in secluded, wooded area, Feb 19 - May 8, 2023 *POI of 4*

[dub]

Charity was found in a culvert, that means drainage ditch off the road. which means hard to see! concealed.

You’re not wrong, but re-read the post you quoted. I wasn’t saying that the bodies weren’t concealed at all, just that they weren’t moved far off the road or concealed very carefully.

Although if it’s true that JS was in fact found outside of the barn, rather than in it, it’s possible that she truly was not concealed at all. I’m pretty curious to know specifics around that.

 

[dub]

which 3?

JS, CP, BW

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Yes

But, there are lots of explanations provided for California. Border state, mixed population, gangs, whatnot. Everything preparing us to not be surprised by the numbers. However, these are raw numbers. When I googled the population of California and divided the number of disappeared by the population, and then did the same for Oregon, Oregon was over twice as high.
Washington was also disproportionately high. And there are no factors that should play a role for Oregon or Washington, except for "Ted Bundy lived here", or "Green River killer lived here", but this is not convincing. Maybe "farmland mentality", but we have to discuss it.

The Pacific Northwest has for a long time held the unfortunate distinction of serial killer capital of the United States, according only to my mother, in her opinion, way back in the 1970s pre Buddy and pre green river killer. .she worked as a reporter , covered homicides . No idea why this phenomenon exists if it truly does. The weather? Tree coverage? Peculiar propensity? Does anyone know?.Thank you.

 

[dub]

The Pacific Northwest has for a long time held the unfortunate distinction of serial killer capital of the United States, according only to my mother, in her opinion, way back in the 1970s pre Buddy and pre green river killer. .she worked as a reporter , covered homicides . No idea why this phenomenon exists if it truly does. The weather? Tree coverage? Peculiar propensity? Does anyone know?.Thank you.

Good question, and I have no idea what the answer is. It could be either of the things you mentioned to some degree, or it could be total happenstance.

It may also be that the particular serial killers in the PNW have just gotten more media attention than those in other places, so while maybe it does have a higher per capita % of serial killers, it’s not by as wide a margin as pop culture would lead people to believe.

It is interesting that you mention the PNW having that reputation even before Bundy, that I was not aware of. I always thought Bundy was the one who really brought serial killers as a concept into the broader public consciousness, but maybe that’s wrong.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Good question, and I have no idea what the answer is. It could be either of the things you mentioned to some degree, or it could be total happenstance.

It may also be that the particular serial killers in the PNW have just gotten more media attention than those in other places, so while maybe it does have a higher per capita % of serial killers, it’s not by as wide a margin as pop culture would lead people to believe.

It is interesting that you mention the PNW having that reputation even before Bundy, that I was not aware of. I always thought Bundy was the one who really brought serial killers as a concept into the broader public consciousness, but maybe that’s wrong.

They’ve been around for ever….sadly. Jack the Ripper etc. Dracula was based on a count who killed. Human nature at its worst.

 

[dub]

They’ve been around for ever….sadly. Jack the Ripper etc. Dracula was based on a count who killed. Human nature at its worst.

Oh for sure, I just meant like before Bundy serial killers were considered extreme anomalies.

This is just from stuff I’ve read, again not sure if it’s actually true, but I think Bundy was the one where society and LE both were like “wow, there’s actually probably a lot of these dudes out there”.

 

[Charlot123]

The Pacific Northwest has for a long time held the unfortunate distinction of serial killer capital of the United States, according only to my mother, in her opinion, way back in the 1970s pre Buddy and pre green river killer. .she worked as a reporter , covered homicides . No idea why this phenomenon exists if it truly does. The weather? Tree coverage? Peculiar propensity? Does anyone know?.Thank you.

Just my opinion. The history. The Oregon Territory, Hudson Bay company, fur trappers, then missionaries. The country of small, distant farms. What happens there, whose word it the law, all stays in the family. The Seattle we know now is very new. It started growing in the time of the Gold Rush, as the last big port before Klondike. And, for many years, even when Ted Bundy hunted there, it was the same. No Microsoft yet, only Boeing, and farmlands. Think of how Bundy, Keyes or GRK were raised. Totally abnormal, but no one probably even knew.
Now, the development of tech industry in California and WA are somehow spilling into OR, but the same principle. Essentially, scattered farmlands and low population density.

 

[findlisa5]

Apologies in advance if this gets lengthy...

I was thinking more today about how LE (and us here) might go about narrowing down a pool of suspects in this case.

It occurred to me that, in the absence of DNA or something, the easiest case to solve should be AR's, because Eagle Creek is by far the most important location--it's a place not all that many people know well, and whoever dumped AR's body there almost certainly does.

So first I'm looking at people who:
a.) have lived or worked in Eagle Creek
b.) have close family or friends who have lived there

Hi dub. Have you considered "worked" as in, committing crimes there? If you are open to this definition, then I have an interesting one for you to look at. I can't identify him here by name, but I encourage you check out the "path" to where AR's body was found. Then look what other crimes happened there. Yeah, you will find someone there to add to your list. As you said above, this makes sense because this scene is remote, so not many people know about it.

 

[findlisa5]

Charity was found in a culvert, that means drainage ditch off the road. which means hard to see! concealed.

<modsnip: no source link/discussing non approved source> I could see the south side of both culverts in Google Streetview and the north side of identically sized RR culverts that lead to both HYW culverts. So yeah, hard, but definitely not impossible to see.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Every one of these women was thought to have resided or spent time frequently in Oregon. In fact, on one particular day, two bodies were discovered. And remarkably, two of the women were located less than three miles apart in Southeast Portland.

Majority of Six Women Tragically Deceased Discovered in Isolated Oregon Forest Areas

We've got some pretty heavy stuff to discuss today - a mysterious and disquieting series of events in and around Portland, Oregon, that is causing concern. Over the past three months, six young

thatoregonlife.com

Its been alleged investigators are now looking at potential connections between JoAnna Speaks, 32, Charity Lynn Perry, 24 and Bridget Leann Ramsey Webster, 31.

The three women 'had been known to frequent Southeast 82nd Avenue and an area near the Clackamans Town Center,' the source told Oregon Live.

Three of six women found dead in secluded wooded areas in Oregon, Washington are believed to have 'frequented the same places in the months prior to their deaths'

Three of six women found dead in Oregon 'may share connections'

Three of six women found dead in secluded wooded areas in Oregon, Washington are believed to have 'frequented the same places in the months prior to their deaths.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

The source said Perry, Webster and Speaks had similarities in their personal lives, but did not specify what those similarities might be.

Possible link between three of six women in Portland deaths

A source said three of the women found dead near Portland, Oregon, had similarities in their personal lives.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A couple of cases I found to ponder linking six women:

OR - OR - Niqola 'Niqi' Cavanaugh-De Calderon, 42, Transgender Female, Rhododendron, 26 Feb 2022

On February 26th, 2022, Niqi walked away from her mother's home in Zig Zag, Or and hasn't been seen since. She is thought to have been wearing yoga clothes and a backpack. She is a white transgender female with light pink hair, blue-grey eyes, and a dancer's build. Approx. 5'9" and 110-130lbs...

www.websleuths.com

OR - OR - Amelia Patterson, 16, Portland, 18 Apr 2023

April 21, 2023 article - indicates she is believed to be in “extreme danger.” I was confused at first because she had also went missing in 2020. https://www.kptv.com/2023/04/22/missing-portland-teen-may-be-extreme-danger/ […] Amelia Patterson, 16, was last seen April 18, according to DHS...

www.websleuths.com

Found Deceased - OR - Ashley Real, 22, last seen at fast food restaurant, Portland, 27 Mar 2023

The Portland Police Bureau's Missing Persons Unit is seeking help from the public with information about a missing woman. Ashley Real, 22, was last seen at a fast food restaurant in the 12000 block of Southeast Division Street on March 27, 2023. We have information that she may have also been...

www.websleuths.com

Found Deceased - OR - Kristin Smith (Reedus), 22, Portland , 19 Nov 2022

Gresham police seek public's help in finding missing woman MISSING ADULT FROM PORTLAND OREGON KRISTIN LEANNE SMITH (AKA REEDUS) LAST CONTACT DATE 11-19-22 DOB 4-24-2000 AGE 22 GENDER FEMALE RACE WHITE SKIN LIGHT HAIR COLOR LIGHT BLONDE LIGHT BROWNISH EYE COLOR BLUE HEIGHT 5'2" WEIGHT 100 lbs...

www.websleuths.com

Found Deceased - Multnomah County/Portland, Oregon - Female Indigenous Doe, 25-40 YO, Found Deceased on April 24th, 2023.

I came across "Unidentified Female" after looking into rumors of a serial killer in the Portland, OR area. "Unidentified Female" is the only one of the current six in question who seems to not be getting as much attention (I have some theories but won't speculate at this time). I've decided to...

www.websleuths.com

Found Deceased - OR - Charity Lynn Perry, 24, Multnomah County 24 April 2023

Woman found dead near Ainsworth State Park; suspicious death investigation underway Woman found dead near Ainsworth State Park; suspicious death investigation underway

www.websleuths.com

*who did I miss?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Couple others:

OR - OR - Kaitlyn Dupuy, 30, last seen March 2022, Cheney, getting on a bus headed for Tacoma, 11 Jan 2023

30-year-old Kaitlyn Dupuy was first reported missing on Jan. 11, 2023. After a police investigation, they learned she was last seen in March 2022 in Oregon. The Cheney Police Department (CPD) is asking for the public’s help in locating a missing woman with ties to Cheney. Despite being reported...

www.websleuths.com

OR - OR - Vickie Diaz, 24, last known to be planning trip to Seattle with unknown acquaintance, Gresham, August 2022

Gresham Police Department is asking for the public’s assistance in helping locate 24-year-old Vickie Diaz. Diaz has not been seen or spoken to her family since August, who say she usually checks in with them frequently. The last time Diaz and her family spoke she was planning a trip to Seattle...

www.websleuths.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Another:

OR - OR - Portland, NtvFem, 25-40, Buddha tattoo on back and music note w/ letter "V" on upper chest, found in Lents neighborhood, April'23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12172139/Three-six-women-dead-Oregon-frequented-places-months-deaths.html https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/or-6-women-found-dead-near-portland-most-in-secluded-wooded-area-feb-19-may-8-2023.680137/page-6#post-18363592 Indigenous Doe has been...

www.websleuths.com

eta:

Identified! - WA - Seattle, WhtFem Early-Mid 20's, Found on stairs of University Heights Center, Heart Tattoo on Left Hip, *Sketch*, Apr'23 - n/a

Unidentified remains - King County (Case #23-1039) Sketch "Found April 4, 2023, on the stairs of University Heights Center, 5031 University Way NE, Seattle" Sex - Female Race - White Age - 20-25 Location - University Heights Center, 5031 University Way NE, Seattle DBF - April 4, 2023 Height...

www.websleuths.com

*how many of these women have tattoos?
“If you look at the history of serial killers, they always prey on the most vulnerable and specifically people who are drug users, homeless or prostitutes because they’re transient,” he said. “People aren’t really looking for them after a certain period of time, and the groups that those individuals hang around with, whether it’s the drug scene or the prostitution scene, are not really that friendly with the police.”

A search of the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System database revealed at least four other Jane Does were found in the region in 2022: a woman in Lowell, Oregon, in May; another in Salem, Oregon, in November; and two more women in Woodland, Washington, in March and April. One of them had been struck by a train. Two were found on the side of rural roads and the fourth was found floating in the Columbia River.

“If a serial killer was involved in any of this, he or she has the perfect cover,” Giacalone said. “We have people coming from different countries, different parts of the state, the open-air drug scene, maybe prostitution, and all these other things, and you have the city that has the ‘abolish the police’ movement. Talk about a serial killer’s sweet spot.”

The city has established an illegal campsite reporting system at pdxreporter.org/. Residents can also call 311.

Dozens of missing women, girls in Portland-area raise ‘red flag,’ cold-case expert says

Police in a statement last week downplayed concerns of a serial killer after the bodies of six women were discovered in and around the city in a five-month span.

www.kptv.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

…However, Joseph Giacalone, a retired NYPD sergeant and now an adjunct professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said the sheer numbers should be considered a public safety concern even if no foul play is suspected.

Some of the disappearances may be linked to Portland’s liberal policies on homelessness and open-air drug markets, Giacalone said.

“You can’t have these tent cities and these open-air drug markets, which only breed this kind of behavior,” he told Fox News Digital. “It doesn’t need to be a nefarious reason, doesn’t have to be a homicide.”

He said he suspects that more bodies will be found, likely due to overdoses, possibly concealed after the fact by panicked fellow users who don’t want to attract scrutiny.

“If you think that these are the only six bodies in that area, I think you’d be mistaken,” he said. “There needs to be a full investigation, including cadaver dogs and everything else.”

Dozens of missing women, girls in Portland-area raise ‘red flag,’ cold-case expert says

Police in a statement last week downplayed concerns of a serial killer after the bodies of six women were discovered in and around the city in a five-month span.

www.kptv.com

*another:

OR - OR - Mekenna Reiley, 40, Blue River, 5 Apr 2023 * phone, purse, vehicle, and dog left at home / may be experiencing a mental health crisis*

CAN YOU HELP? | Sheriff's Office seeks public assistance locating missing woman [...] LCSO says 40-year-old Mekenna Reiley was last seen in the area of River Street and McKenzie Highway in Blue River on April 5th. According to authorities, Thursday evening, April 6, 2023, friends and neighbors...

www.websleuths.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Presumed Located - WA - Krystal Zuckerman, 33, Tacoma, 23 Nov 2022

Krystal Lyn Zuckerman Sex: Female Race / Ethnicity: White / Caucasian Missing Age: 33 Years Hair Color: Brown Eye Color: Green Height: 5' 4" Weight: 125 - 160 lbs Tattoo: Right arm: Sugar skull with roses, Wrist: Jesus fish tattoo, Foot: Flower, Back/shoulder: One love tattoo Date of Last...

www.websleuths.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

OR - OR - Breaja Daugherty, 21, using public transportation to travel from Portland to Sandy, 14 Apr 2023

SANDY, Ore. (KPTV) - Police are asking for the public’s help finding a missing woman believed to be traveling to Sandy. Sandy police said on Wednesday, it was contacted by the family of 21-year-old Breaja Daugherty. She has been living in Portland. On Monday, it is believed Daugherty was using...

www.websleuths.com

*eta:

OR - OR - LouAnn “Baby Lou” Marie Aiken, 31, Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians Tribe, Portland, 15 June 2023

Name: LouAnn Marie Aiken Tribe: Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians Nicknames: Baby Lou Age: 31 years old Height: 5'5 Weight: Approx. 200 lbs. Hair color: Light brown, naturally black Eye color: Brown Scars: left wrist, broken as a child Tattoos: diamond above breasts; children's names...

www.websleuths.com

*I’d be checking out tattoo parlors. I’m seeing an awful lot of these girls with tattoos.

 

[dub]

Hi dub. Have you considered "worked" as in, committing crimes there? If you are open to this definition, then I have an interesting one for you to look at. I can't identify him here by name, but I encourage you check out the "path" to where AR's body was found. Then look what other crimes happened there. Yeah, you will find someone there to add to your list. As you said above, this makes sense because this scene is remote, so not many people know about it.

Absolutely I’d consider that, if anything that would be even higher on the list!

By “path” do mean by road from Portland/Milwaukie, as in near 224 or something? Or like exactly in the immediate area she was found?

 

[dub]

OR - OR - Breaja Daugherty, 21, using public transportation to travel from Portland to Sandy, 14 Apr 2023

SANDY, Ore. (KPTV) - Police are asking for the public’s help finding a missing woman believed to be traveling to Sandy. Sandy police said on Wednesday, it was contacted by the family of 21-year-old Breaja Daugherty. She has been living in Portland. On Monday, it is believed Daugherty was using...

www.websleuths.com

*eta:

OR - OR - LouAnn “Baby Lou” Marie Aiken, 31, Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians Tribe, Portland, 15 June 2023

Name: LouAnn Marie Aiken Tribe: Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians Nicknames: Baby Lou Age: 31 years old Height: 5'5 Weight: Approx. 200 lbs. Hair color: Light brown, naturally black Eye color: Brown Scars: left wrist, broken as a child Tattoos: diamond above breasts; children's names...

www.websleuths.com

*I’d be checking out tattoo parlors. I’m seeing an awful lot of these girls with tattoos.

Out of the cases you posted, Vickie and LouAnn are the ones I am keeping a close eye on.

Speaking of, for those keeping track of the timeline, I noticed that LouAnn has a missing date of 6/15, which looks like that’s when she was reported missing, but the poster says she was actually last seen on 4/15.

 

[dub]

Hi dub. Have you considered "worked" as in, committing crimes there? If you are open to this definition, then I have an interesting one for you to look at. I can't identify him here by name, but I encourage you check out the "path" to where AR's body was found. Then look what other crimes happened there. Yeah, you will find someone there to add to your list. As you said above, this makes sense because this scene is remote, so not many people know about it.

Been trying to figure out what crime you’re referring to, maybe I’m reading this wrong but are you talking about something that happened on the Eagle Creek Trail?

If so, that’s a different place. It’s not close to the town of Eagle Creek where AR was found, but it is, incidentally, just a few miles up the road from where CP was found.

But maybe I’m looking at the totally wrong thing.

 

[Charlot123]

Another:

OR - OR - Portland, NtvFem, 25-40, Buddha tattoo on back and music note w/ letter "V" on upper chest, found in Lents neighborhood, April'23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12172139/Three-six-women-dead-Oregon-frequented-places-months-deaths.html https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/or-6-women-found-dead-near-portland-most-in-secluded-wooded-area-feb-19-may-8-2023.680137/page-6#post-18363592 Indigenous Doe has been...

www.websleuths.com

eta:

Identified! - WA - Seattle, WhtFem Early-Mid 20's, Found on stairs of University Heights Center, Heart Tattoo on Left Hip, *Sketch*, Apr'23 - n/a

Unidentified remains - King County (Case #23-1039) Sketch "Found April 4, 2023, on the stairs of University Heights Center, 5031 University Way NE, Seattle" Sex - Female Race - White Age - 20-25 Location - University Heights Center, 5031 University Way NE, Seattle DBF - April 4, 2023 Height...

www.websleuths.com

*how many of these women have tattoos?
“If you look at the history of serial killers, they always prey on the most vulnerable and specifically people who are drug users, homeless or prostitutes because they’re transient,” he said. “People aren’t really looking for them after a certain period of time, and the groups that those individuals hang around with, whether it’s the drug scene or the prostitution scene, are not really that friendly with the police.”

A search of the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System database revealed at least four other Jane Does were found in the region in 2022: a woman in Lowell, Oregon, in May; another in Salem, Oregon, in November; and two more women in Woodland, Washington, in March and April. One of them had been struck by a train. Two were found on the side of rural roads and the fourth was found floating in the Columbia River.

“If a serial killer was involved in any of this, he or she has the perfect cover,” Giacalone said. “We have people coming from different countries, different parts of the state, the open-air drug scene, maybe prostitution, and all these other things, and you have the city that has the ‘abolish the police’ movement. Talk about a serial killer’s sweet spot.”

The city has established an illegal campsite reporting system at pdxreporter.org/. Residents can also call 311.

Dozens of missing women, girls in Portland-area raise ‘red flag,’ cold-case expert says

Police in a statement last week downplayed concerns of a serial killer after the bodies of six women were discovered in and around the city in a five-month span.

www.kptv.com

OK, it might be removed, but I have to say it. If anyone manages to name any tribe, any social formation, any society that existed without laws or some form of police, I’d be very much surprised. Real anarchists, believe me or not, had some form of police too. Decriminalizing drugs might be inevitable, only there should be: 1) cheap, maybe even free, alternatives to black market drugs, and 2) strong legal institutions ready to deal with some form of mafia that is always generated by the black market. Whether you call it “mafia”, “cartel” or “organized crime”, it exists. Call it “police”, “law enforcement”, or “legal institutions”, the society can’t survive without them. (No statement, just supporting of anything appealing to common sense and harm reduction).