OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[Sly Scorpio]

I've said it a few times before and I'm still thinking that this has nothing to do with the immediate family at all. I get the warm fuzzies looking at their family pictures. My SM loved me like her own. It is possible for that to happen and I see no indication that there is fowl play here by the SM. Of course, I see nothing wrong with considering any theory and everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

I do have to agree, when taking everything LE has said and dissecting it, it really does seem like it could be a family member by the statements they are making. I really don't think it is, I can't tell you why I think that... I wish I could come up with some kind of light bulb idea here as to what other possible thing could have happened to Kyron keeping what LE has stated in mind. The only thing I can think of is that they are being misleading purposefully, and that only they know why-- possibly some kind of strategic move. I've got nothing!

Common sense (according to what LE has said) points to family member, my heart points to something else. MHO

 

[Katarina]

Anyone? They don't have to be qualified teachers?

I help in our school every week.

Yes we have desks in the hallways. Many times if a student still needs help in multiplications, teacher sends me out on a hallways with the student and I just do flashcards over and over

Othertimes it's words/minute reading. I test a kid, write down the score send the kid back to classroom and tell him who to send next

These are all done in the hallways where the noise level is lower than in the class.

And I am only parent, volunteer. I don't have any education background. Besides growing up and spending my first 30 years in communist Czechoslovakia I have a pretty heavy accent too.

 

[KariKae]

But why would only custodians wear them? In that case, everyone should be in uniform - teachers, principal, administrative staff, cafeteria workers, and the students!

In which case, I might add, it would possibly be even easier to "blend in" by simply putting on a uniform. (Altho it would make it less likely for crimes of opportunity to occur). I have to say, more crimes against children in schools happen at the hands of people who DO work in the school than strangers popping in and out.

In my girls' school, all school personnel wear a name badge to identify themselves.

And the kids wear uniforms.

 

[Astrella613]

No, they don't have to be qualified teachers. But lilligator said it better when she said they are reading to them. That's what is done here: you sign up to read to a kid and listen to them read to you. It's called "tutoring" and "mentoring" b/c it does help the child learn to read better but you also form a positive relationship with that child.

FYI, I don't want to get stuck on this topic since it's about Kyron...

It does relate to Kyron. A "tutor" or "mentor" could develop a relationship with the child. An adult in the school who is not an employee and was "known".

 

[seeking truth]

What you were seeing were posts in the Related Global Posts on the Sauvie Island FB page, those related posts were from the Missing Kyron Horman FB page. The related global posts embedded in the Sauvie Island page. The related posts are identified with Sauvie Island in bold.

Thanks for responding, ketelOne. I'll go back and try and understand what you're telling me. I appreciate your help.

 

[Nellie]

Anyone? They don't have to be qualified teachers?

NO, just a volunteer who has passed inspection...

 

[BeanE]

I haven't seen anything that categorically states it isn't an abduction. 4 days ago the Sheriff's office said that there is no evidence of an abduction:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007450-504083.html

However, 3 days ago the Sheriff's office said that they haven't ruled out an abduction:

http://kdrv.com/page/177456

This leads me to believe that an abduction is still a possibility but that, as of 3 days ago at least, LE did not have compelling evidence that pointed to an abduction being the most likely possibility. At this point they might not have any theory that stands out as the most plausible.

Thank you for finding that!

 

[raeann]

/snip/

LE stated that it is an isolated case and implied that other children are not in danger from this perp. Ask yourself why only the Horman's child was in danger from this perp?

I would assume that would be because never in any other case has a child been abducted from a school/mall/park/playground and then the abductor returned within days or weeks to pick up another child in the exact same way from the exact same location.

That is where the FBI Card team expertise comes in, they know the behaviors of these perpetrators, and the history of other cases. It is why their participation is needed and valuable, since local LE does not have the numbers of cases needed to build this kind of experience (thankfully). Their profile of this case probably indicates to them many things, which gave LE assurance that the children were safe. Not to mention that LE was in and around the school in obvious places, and new security measures were instituted by the school, and all staff were on high alert. That tends to assure that no other child is in danger. What LE has been saying is geared to not induce panic or undue stress on the kids by overly paranoid parents. They have never said NOT to be cautious of children's safety at all, just that extreme measures are not necessary.

 

[Calliope]

It does relate to Kyron. A "tutor" or "mentor" could develop a relationship with the child. An adult in the school who is not an employee and was "known".

I also wonder if there were any student teachers or college students helping out, perhaps preparing kids for the IB fair? They might not have been officially working that day, but their presence wouldn't necessarily be questioned. And they'd certainly be familiar with the school and students.

 

[sofia76]

I totally agree. Even "stranger danger" teaching could be ambiguous to a kid. Who is a stranger? Someone you've never seen before? Someone whose name you don't know/remember? Someone you've never had a conversation with? Someone who seems creepy? This reminds me of a situation my husband describes happened to him and his brother when they were little kids.

They were in a park together with their parents and ran ahead up the path. They were walking along when they passed an older man sitting on a bench. He offered them some candy. My brother in law said, "Ooh, yes!" and reached out immediately to take it from the man's outstretched hand. My appalled husband grabbed his brother's arm, jerked him back and shouted "No!" At this point their parents joined them and all was worked out. My husband said he was so shocked that his brother responded to the guy because their parents had explicitly taught them not to talk to or take candy from strangers. His brother's response? "He wasn't a stranger - he had candy!"

I have to say, my husband is into math and is very literal - you tell him something and he'll do exactly that and no more nor less. His brother is artistic (and dyslexic)- for him everything is open to interpretation and must be in context.

As a parent, you need to craft your warning messages for your children based on who your children are and how they see the world.

I think it could be a double edged sword.

Demanding a badge and a uniform could increase security and make people more suspicious of strangers without the uniform and the badge claiming to be staff. But the downside of it is that most workwear isn't really unique and some people will always be able to find a convincing uniform somewhere and fake a badge that a child can't tell from the real thing. The fake uniform and the fake badge may give them a false sense of security and they might trust a person that they wouldn't trust in plain clothes, thinking "I'm not supposed to talk to strangers but it's okay because he's the janitor and has got the badge". Also, the other people may pay less attention to someone in workwear who looks like they belong.

 

[Skully]

I've said it a few times before and I'm still thinking that this has nothing to do with the immediate family at all. I get the warm fuzzies looking at their family pictures. My SM loved me like her own. It is possible for that to happen and I see no indication that there is fowl play here by the SM. Of course, I see nothing wrong with considering any theory and everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

I do have to agree, when taking everything LE has said and dissecting it, it really does seem like it could be a family member by the statements they are making. I really don't think it is, I can't tell you why I think that... I wish I could come up with some kind of light bulb idea here as to what other possible thing could have happened to Kyron keeping what LE has stated in mind. The only thing I can think of is that they are being misleading purposefully, and that only they know why-- possibly some kind of strategic move. I've got nothing!

Common sense (according to what LE has said) points to family member, my heart points to something else. MHO

I agree with you, on the family and SM, I think maybe it could be someone in the outer circle of family or they know who it is and are not worried they are going to commit another crime. The perp could be behind bars for something else now, or they have a very close watch on them. JMO

 

[grayjay]

Wouldn't the custodial relationship of the school mean that when LE describes the situation and we think parental units, it could also apply to anyone who's on the school staff?

:couch: Just asking.

 

[Donjeta]

It's a good thing for the kids to know all the regular staff at their school but familiarity with the regular janitors wouldn't stop a perp from convincing kids (and maybe some inquiring adults?) that, say, he's the replacement for X who is very ill.

 

[mysticrose]

I am so frustrated !!!

 

[Pensfan]

This statement was added to alter my post in your quote:
"Only the Horman's child was in danger from this perp. Ask yourself "why"?"

Please do not alter my posts and then quote them as if that is what I stated, because it is not in my post AT ALL.

Dude, I am an old lady with bifocals. This comment was accidently put in the wrong spot for approx 10 seconds and then I fixed it.

 

[Astrella613]

I also wonder if there were any student teachers or college students helping out, perhaps preparing kids for the IB fair? They might not have been officially working that day, but their presence wouldn't necessarily be questioned. And they'd certainly be familiar with the school and students.

That's true. It could even be a neighbor who had been watching the family for a while and took the opportunity. We don't have enough information to get any answers.

 

[Skully]

Any one know if they are still at Sauvie Island searching today?

 

[Jules71]

Anything new other than:

Scaling back search efforts
It is now a recovery effort rather than a search and rescue
$25k reward fund
Criminal investigation
Candle Light Vigil tonight
Skyline's last day of school is today
Still searching Sauvie Island
Not an abduction - but might be an abduction (WTH?)

4 days ago the Sheriff's office said that there is no evidence of an abduction:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...50-504083.html

However, 3 days ago the Sheriff's office said that they haven't ruled out an abduction:

http://kdrv.com/page/177456

Any pc's planned for today? Anything else new?

 

[sofia76]

She cleared things up with this comment last night:



Can**ce B**ry: I apologize Carol...regardless of what people's feeings are, I hadn't stopped to realize this was just for you to update the public about the case. I know I'm not the only one talking about the suspects and am probably the only one that will admit wrong doing. I will not discuss further info on here. I was invited to this page by a friend and I can only use my cell phone to get on fb therefore I hadnt seen any page other than yours. Again thanks for what you are doing and I will no longer burden your efforts. I guess its hard to not let your emotions get involved here. I have been terrified to even let my son sleep in his own room at night since I heard this story because this world is so scary so that's where I am getting my frustration. Keep up the hard work!

I think this CB person is full of crap. S/he made a whole bunch of comments insinuating the SM was involved and how we should all see what happens in a few days and remember what s/he said. How does that jive with being terrified to let ones child sleep at night? I wouldn't be any more terrified than usual if I had inside info telling me it was a parent who'd done something to their own child. JMO, but CB sounds like a stick shirrer to me.

 

[cluciano63]

I honestly don't think LE would tell the public that they do not have to be extra careful and that this is an isolated case if the perp they have in mind was associated with the school, or especially if they did not have a perp in mind. That is just risking too much, as they were speaking to the general public, not just the parents of the kids of this one school. They were telling the public these things, IMO. It would be very irresponsible to say these things if they have no idea what happened here or who the offender might be.

And LE does not seem to be acting irresponsibly in this case in my opinion. As far as turning it into criminal investiation, this may have become necessary in order to obtain search warrants.