GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

[MySweetRiley]

No offense MySweetRiley, but that's about enough of that. While reasonable to assume, there has been no mention of pornographic addiction on the part of JH. Your posts are starting to sound like you have personal experience with a sex/*advertiser censored* addicted person. I feel for you. But please, that's enough.

I'm sorry if I offended you. My husband is a pastor so we know firsthand of the problems that young men face dealing with this struggle. It was just my opinion did not want to make anyone upset.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

No way should that be a problem. Your posts are thoughtful, logical, and very helpful. I feel strongly about this case -- but I go about my anger and sadness by drilling down and getting every detail. If it's from a credible source -- I'll churn it until I come up with something that makes sense and posit it here for scrutiny. I am on Websleuths to SLEUTH -- not theorize! My ex-boyfriend is long-time hardcore LE (FBI violent crimes task force) and he used to say "everyone has a theory, what are the facts? Where's the logic?" So I don't bother with baseless theories -- they waste precious brain-power (and posting space). I literally walk through scenarios using Google Earth streetview. I take Printscreens of all places shown on News footage, show the relationships, why this can happen/can't. What must be known/not known to what individuals. If I'm wrong on my facts, point it out -- no problem. I've worked with the media for many years. Reporters are unbelievable sleuths -- but they could use our help. They are on Websleuths watching our posts and likely so is law enforcement -- I know this from other forums. So when Websleuthers make a claim or theorize -- they should base it on fact and reason and then SOURCE, SOURCE, SOURCE right here so LE & MSM can vet your source. If the pieces are properly vetted and put together, it can help serve justice for Whitney and any other victims.

Thank you so much for this, Neptune--I'm having to backtrack in the thread to read everything and just now saw your response. I'm encouraged (and surprised) that LE would even read any of this. My husband thinks I have too strong a passion for justice, and he's probably right...my mind grabs on like a bull dog and won't let go sometimes.

 

[sunnysider]

What if his motive wasn't sexual? Maybe his target was CH. If he was jealous of the relationship CH had with his wife and resented him for it. Maybe the rage was directed at the husband. The loved ones left grieving are hurt the most by the murder.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

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Originally Posted by CabinFever View Post
or, maybe Oregon is one of the States that now require that you also pass your Nationals test before being allowed to work as an EMT? It's possible that he didn't pass...yet....
also, a past post (way back) said that a drug charge was brought up (& a surprise to his wife) during a background check. That would explain why he was not able to practice in that field - at least not in California.

There are so many possibilities but I don't think being an EMT relates to this crime....
He is just a very disturbed individual that needs to be locked up so that he doesn't ever kill again, no matter his religion or employer or education or otherwise.

I thought the drug charge was CH's, not JH's. I looked it up and there is one, albeit very minor.

You are correct. It was my post on an earlier thread that mentioned that CH allegedly had a possessions charge. There is no indication on record or from personal accounts made public that I've found that JH has ever used or possessed.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

I'm sorry if I offended you. My husband is a pastor so we know firsthand of the problems that young men face dealing with this struggle. It was just my opinion did not want to make anyone upset.

No offense taken. Just was becoming a repeating theme in your posts. Like I said, very reasonable to assume, but we don't know that yet.

 

[Glow]

My husband is a pastor so we know firsthand of the problems that young men face dealing with this struggle. It was just my opinion

Sadly when dealing with cases like this there is usually
an underlying way of "feeding the addiction" the Internet is the perfect place to provide *advertiser censored* of course (as we all know). You are definitely right that none of his behavior exists in a vacuum. I am sure the authorities are looking at his computer and I have no doubt that what you are saying will be proven true.

I appreciate your post.

 

[Ronso]

Well considering I haven't met a single man who can truthfully say they've never watched *advertiser censored*, it is safe to assume they'll find *advertiser censored* on his computer.

JMO though.

 

[scadder21]

This is just my opinion: I don't think that JH has always been troubled. In his wedding photo's I thought he looked genuinely happy and excited not just because he was smiling but I thought it showed in his eyes as well. Someone on here on the other thread posted a picture of him with his wife and in that picture I thought he looked very troubled it just showed everyone on his face. To me he looked like a completely different person from the wedding photos. It would be interesting to know when that picture was taken, how long ago after they married. The only other picture that I've seen aside from the wedding photos are the high school picture where he looks to be a normal teenage boy. So I am wondering if troubles started with him after he got married? It was stated on here too that he got married in the Hall of his church and to do that you have to be an upstanding person. Due to the rape in the case I am betting on the fact that he struggled with *advertiser censored*. And I think most of us are aware that there are some *advertiser censored* out there that is violent towards women. Maybe he was viewing *advertiser censored* before he got married but it escalated after he married. It has been studied upon and is a fact that *advertiser censored* gives men an unrealistic view of sex. He did marry pretty young and maybe he attained this unrealistic view of sex and marriage and his marriage and sex life didn't fit that picture so he just kept turning to the *advertiser censored*. I firmly believe that sin just leads into deeper and deeper sin. And I think that is what happened here. It's also been studied that men who are deep into *advertiser censored* will eventually get bored and will watch worse *advertiser censored*, attend strip clubs, etc. etc. Maybe he went to strip clubs when he had that break down? Maybe his wife didn't fulfill his nasty sexual desires and so he looked else where? By peeking into a neighbors window? And maybe fantasying about other women including WH? And maybe this plays into why he didn't attend church every week is because he was dealing with this horrible sin. I am with others who think he took Whitney for sexual purposes, took her by gunpoint because how else could he get her alone? And did what he did because like many of you have said maybe she did bit down, or because afterwards he knew she would tell and he would be caught. In a very sick way maybe the taking her unwillingly was a sexual rush for him. And maybe it was Whitney because it was someone who lived close by, who was attractive, and looked to be very happy with her husband. Who knows how many woman he has looked in on but very VERY sadly WH was the one who caught his eye.

I'm with you up until the *advertiser censored* part. It's possible but it's also just as possible he had some sort of mental illness and it was starting to take hold between his wedding photos and the other photo you showed.

BTW I do completely agree with you regarding the photos. One he looks happy and normal the other he looks vacant/troubled but not evil. The second pic it looks like he's struggling with something. Can you post that again but its very pronounced.

 

[MySweetRiley]

No offense taken. Just was becoming a repeating theme in your posts. Like I said, very reasonable to assume, but we don't know that yet.

You are right, there are a lot of things about this case and JH that we don't know about yet. I had seen what I wrote about mentioned on here before by others so I thought I would just give my full opinion like what everyone else on here does. It was just my opinion based on what I have heard and read about the case and JH and from helping to counsel couples.

 

[scadder21]

I also want to say that this mantra that Clint and Whitney were a perfect couple is about as cliched as Holt seemed so normal as a kid. People often see what they want to see. The neighbor may not have wanted to admit to himself that a neighbors son who your close with is troubled the same way people don't want to admit that a now murdered woman's marriage may not have been as perfect as people project.

One of the reason her case is so big is because they come off as a perfect couple. If Clint had beaten her in the past or had a record of drugs people noticed this case as much.

I think it's safe to say that people thinking the Heichel's were saints may not be completely true.

 

[scadder21]

Not bashing the victim just that preconcieved notions and appearances are very useful to get press and support for a rescue effort.

 

[MySweetRiley]

Sadly when dealing with cases like this there is usually
an underlying way of "feeding the addiction" the Internet is the perfect place to provide *advertiser censored* of course (as we all know). You are definitely right that none of his behavior exists in a vacuum. I am sure the authorities are looking at his computer and I have no doubt that what you are saying will be proven true.

I appreciate your post.

Thank you Glow I agree with you!

 

[iamnotagolem]

Well considering I haven't met a single man who can truthfully say they've never watched *advertiser censored*, it is safe to assume they'll find *advertiser censored* on his computer.

JMO though.

I respectfully disagree. Not all men watch *advertiser censored*. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is doing so for their benefit.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I also want to say that this mantra that Clint and Whitney were a perfect couple is about as cliched as Holt seemed so normal as a kid. People often see what they want to see. The neighbor may not have wanted to admit to himself that a neighbors son who your close with is troubled the same way people don't want to admit that a now murdered woman's marriage may not have been as perfect as people project.

One of the reason her case is so big is because they come off as a perfect couple. If Clint had beaten her in the past or had a record of drugs people noticed this case as much.

I think it's safe to say that people thinking the Heichel's were saints may not be completely true.

I do not see any purpose in speculating about the victims possibly imperfect life. There is nothing to indicate that they had anything other than a healthy, happy relationship. I do not see any benefit in trying to underhandedly suggest otherwise. They are both victims and should be respected as such.

 

[Ronso]

I'd say a man not watching *advertiser censored* is in the minority. I wholeheartedly believe if a man is telling you he's never watched *advertiser censored*, than most often than not, he's saying so for YOUR benefit (because he believes you will have an issue with it).

 

[iamnotagolem]

When we click the alarm fob in our hands for our cars, we all know it opens all the doors at once. This is a safety detail that goes largely ignored. Anyone can hop into the passenger side door - especially if they are laying down on the other side of your car when you do the chirp chirp. So if he didn't ask for the ride, he could have just as easily gotten in at the same time as her.


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RSBM

You can change your remote to only unlock the drivers door. It is a very simple thing to do that is very much to your advantage. It is one of the first things we do when purchasing a new vehicle. It is just too risky to unlock all doors at once. It only takes a second to hit the unlock button a second time to unlock all the doors.

 

[nikb]

I also want to say that this mantra that Clint and Whitney were a perfect couple is about as cliched as Holt seemed so normal as a kid. People often see what they want to see. The neighbor may not have wanted to admit to himself that a neighbors son who your close with is troubled the same way people don't want to admit that a now murdered woman's marriage may not have been as perfect as people project.

One of the reason her case is so big is because they come off as a perfect couple. If Clint had beaten her in the past or had a record of drugs people noticed this case as much.

I think it's safe to say that people thinking the Heichel's were saints may not be completely true.

While I agree to a point - I'm sure they aren't 'saints' - but IMO I do think they had a very happy life together overall. Whitney's FB pics are so touching. For me in particular the first time she did "xyz" - especially cooking related for some reason but the ones that stood out were her making homemade onion rings, baking a pie, a shrimp dinner for her hubby, making a strawberry daquiri - she seems IMO like a young lady/woman starting out her life, learning, becoming the wife she wanted to be. And of course the pics of her with friends/relatives' kids, and pics of her husband with kids, also get to me.

 

[Ronso]

I'd say a man not watching *advertiser censored* is in the minority. I wholeheartedly believe if a man is telling you he's never watched *advertiser censored*, than most often than not, he's saying so for YOUR benefit (because he believes you will have an issue with it).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/se...ch-*advertiser censored*-scientists-find.html

I also want to point out that I never said all men, I said the men I've met. I do know a couple men who have lied to their spouses about watching *advertiser censored*, because their spouses would have issues if they knew they watched it.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'd say a man not watching *advertiser censored* is in the minority. I wholeheartedly believe if a man is telling you he's never watched *advertiser censored*, than most often than not, he's saying so for YOUR benefit (because he believes you will have an issue with it).

I'm not going to argue with you over this, we obviously do not have dealings with the same kinds of men. While I agree a majority of men do watch *advertiser censored*, you are not accounting for men who simply have no interest in watching fake sex when they have their hot wife at the ready, you aren't considering people who consider it a sin, you aren't considering the Amish who don't use electricity, you aren't considering people who simply do not watch *advertiser censored* out of respect for their wives, there are certainly men who simply do not want to watch it.

Since we haven't heard anything from LE or MSM to confirm that JH viewed *advertiser censored*, it is probably a little early to start debating how it effected his warped mind.

 

[scadder21]

While I agree to a point - I'm sure they aren't 'saints' - but IMO I do think they had a very happy life together overall. Whitney's FB pics are so touching. For me in particular the first time she did "xyz" - especially cooking related for some reason but the ones that stood out were her making homemade onion rings, baking a pie, a shrimp dinner for her hubby, making a strawberry daquiri - she seems IMO like a young lady/woman starting out her life, learning, becoming the wife she wanted to be. And of course the pics of her with friends/relatives' kids, and pics of her husband with kids, also get to me.

Looks can be decieving and everyone wants to be seen as a perfect couple. Especially someone who is in a religous organization that values that purity. Anything other than being perfect may have been looked down on.