Oscar Pistorius - Sentencing - 6.13.2016 #2

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His testimony was that it was obvious to "them" that a person was breaking into the house. Why would they need to discuss it.

I suppose much as it would be obvious if a car were coming toward them in the street that they didn't need a conversation other than maybe "Look out!"

Then first thing Pistorius would have done HAD it happened the way he said it, would have been to get his girlfriend out through the bedroom door AWAY from danger that he said he heard which was noise coming from down the passageway , around a corner and inside the bathroom , which was all off the bedroom. that they were in
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I think any Appeal by the Defence would be met by the Supreme Court with another rejection
Certainly if Judge Leach has anything to do with it.
Pistorius has had 3 years of rather an easy time of it because mistakes were made the first time round by Judge Masipa , making a laughing stock and attracting criticism from every quarter. He should have been incarcerated for far longer than a year for Murder not Culpable Homicide, so he's been lucky considering, in my opinion.
BIB - yes, he's been exceptionally lucky at being able to evade further imprisonment while he mounts appeal after desperate appeal and rakes Reeva's family through the coals over and over. Hopefully, his luck has run out now and on Wednesday he'll be back behind bars (where murderers belong) and will no longer be able to use prime time TV to whine about how his murdering Reeva has affected him and his life. He's young. He has a very long life ahead of him, of which only a small proportion will be spent in prison. Time for him to zip it and do the time.
 
I think any Appeal by the Defence would be met by the Supreme Court with another rejection
Certainly if Judge Leach has anything to do with it.
Pistorius has had 3 years of rather an easy time of it because mistakes were made the first time round by Judge Masipa , making a laughing stock and attracting criticism from every quarter. He should have been incarcerated for far longer than a year for Murder not Culpable Homicide, so he's been lucky considering, in my opinion.


a real sissy of a murderer........... and lowering himself in court using his stumps for pity, sicko............ NOT GONNA WORK:moo:

ETA: I think Reeva was onto "the real Oscar" and they fought.

RIP REEVA
 
This is worth listening to - checked it out this morning.
It's Lisa & Nick giving their thoughts on Day 3 of sentencing in an audio recording..

https://shakedowntitle.com/2016/06/24/oscar-pistorius-sentencing-hearing-day-3-june-15/


About 15 mins- 20 mins of in-court personal impressions of the Oscar that maybe you didn't see during the live broadcast.
I think the witness Nick is very watchful & perceptive of the "out-takes." Oscar's body language, reactions facial expressions, and his mass hugging of almost everyone as a big show, the "old lady" fans who cry on cue the moment starts his pity walk.

It starts just after the intro music.
Thanks to them for sharing their impressions with us.
Thanks for this, it's interesting listening to the view of those watching Pistorius in Court, especially the view that some of those in Court 'could have' been asked to 'audibly cry' when Pistorius walking on his stumps in Court.

Some points i picked out from the article link.

Roux says on Pistorius demonstrating walking on his stumps in Court

I don’t want to overplay vulnerability, that’s not what I want to do
.”


(but that's EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED TO DO)

Nel says

“A murder of what, my Lady, that ‘what’ is Reeva
.”


“If we want to talk about a broken man, we saw a broken man” – Nel talking about Barry Steenkamp

Nel then address the ITV interview. In addressing Oscar’s multiple versions, he says:
“I don’t know what will happen with ITV, my Lady,
but in this Court, there’s no acceptable explanation ever offered. He had the opportunity to do so
– he failed.
”


and this is very important to remember what Nel said in Sentencing Arguments (shown in the link), he reminded Judge Masipa of .....................

Nel reads from Masipa’s judgement:
“There was ever a feeling of unease on my part as I listened to one witness after another, placing what I thought was an overemphasis on the accused’s vulnerability. Yes, the accused is vulnerable, but has excellent coping skills. Thanks to his mother, he rarely saw himself as disabled and against odds, excelled as a top athlete, became respected worldwide and even came to compete against able-bodied persons. For some reason, that picture remains obscured in the background”


and Nel says

“If one takes that paragraph – ‘I know there’s somebody in the bathroom, I fired 4 shots through that, into the toilet door’ – why is that not very close to Dolus Directus? So we argue the accused’s degree of culpability is very close to Dolus Directus.”
 
Thanks for this, it's interesting listening to the view of those watching Pistorius in Court, especially the view that some of those in Court 'could have' been asked to 'audibly cry' when Pistorius walking on his stumps in Court.

Some points i picked out from the article link.

Roux says on Pistorius demonstrating walking on his stumps in Court

I don’t want to overplay vulnerability, that’s not what I want to do
.”


(but that's EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED TO DO)

Nel says

“A murder of what, my Lady, that ‘what’ is Reeva
.”


“If we want to talk about a broken man, we saw a broken man” – Nel talking about Barry Steenkamp

Nel then address the ITV interview. In addressing Oscar’s multiple versions, he says:
“I don’t know what will happen with ITV, my Lady,
but in this Court, there’s no acceptable explanation ever offered. He had the opportunity to do so
– he failed.
”


and this is very important to remember what Nel said in Sentencing Arguments (shown in the link), he reminded Judge Masipa of .....................

Nel reads from Masipa’s judgement:
“There was ever a feeling of unease on my part as I listened to one witness after another, placing what I thought was an overemphasis on the accused’s vulnerability. Yes, the accused is vulnerable, but has excellent coping skills. Thanks to his mother, he rarely saw himself as disabled and against odds, excelled as a top athlete, became respected worldwide and even came to compete against able-bodied persons. For some reason, that picture remains obscured in the background”


and Nel says

“If one takes that paragraph – ‘I know there’s somebody in the bathroom, I fired 4 shots through that, into the toilet door’ – why is that not very close to Dolus Directus? So we argue the accused’s degree of culpability is very close to Dolus Directus.”

Couple all of that with -

From the SCA


In these circumstances I have no doubt that in firing the fatal shots the accused must have foreseen, and therefore did foresee, that whoever was behind the toilet door might die, but reconciled himself to that event occurring and gambled with that person’s life. This constituted dolus eventualis on his part, and the identity of his victim is irrelevant to his guilt

And

thus not only did he not know who was behind the door, he did not know whether that person in fact constituted any threat to him. In these circumstances, although he may have been anxious, it is inconceivable that a rational person could have believed he was entitled to fire at this person with a heavy calibre firearm, without taking even that most elementary precaution of firing a warning shot (which the accused said he elected not to fire as he thought the ricochet might harm him). This constituted prima facie proof that the accused did not entertain an honest and genuine belief that he was acting lawfully, which was in no way disturbed by his vacillating and untruthful evidence in regard to his state of mind when he fired his weapon.

Note: 1. The identity of the victim is irrelevant to his guilt

2. He did not KNOW who was behind the door ( so although he thought he did not know)
 
Re: the TV interview, I really needed a green bucket when the murderer 'nostalgically' recounted (between chuckles) how Reeva had told him to go brush his teeth the night he murdered her. It was as if she had died from a long slow illness rather than being shot to death in a toilet - by him! Did he or his family actually watch it before it was aired? Does anyone have any awareness in that clan?
 
saw it on Twitter
might come in handy on Weds.

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Re: the TV interview, I really needed a green bucket when the murderer 'nostalgically' recounted (between chuckles) how Reeva had told him to go brush his teeth the night he murdered her. It was as if she had died from a long slow illness rather than being shot to death in a toilet - by him! Did he or his family actually watch it before it was aired? Does anyone have any awareness in that clan?
I haven't watched it, can you believe that!? :smile: I'm just not interested for some reason, propaganda is always hard to stomach I guess.
 
I haven't watched it, can you believe that!? :smile: I'm just not interested for some reason, propaganda is always hard to stomach I guess.
BIB - yes I can definitely believe it!

You didn't miss much, apart from him helpfully pointing out exactly what Reeva didn't do to prevent her own murder. She didn't open the door. She didn't shout. Funny, but he didn't point out anything he could have done to prevent it - like, hmm, checking where she was before charging down the hall with a loaded gun? Nope. Apparently the onus was on Reeva. He was sly enough to add that it 'wasn't her fault' though - as if that negated the responsibility he'd just put on her. In short - OP was a victim and Reeva should have done more to stop herself being murdered.
 
Still all about not accepting responsibility. He even had the nerve to try and put words in Reeva’s mouth from the grave by suggesting if she could communicate it would be her wish he did not spend any more time in prison.

I might suggest if Reeva could communicate it would be to tell a completely different story along the lines of ‘You lying *advertiser censored*, you know full well you shot me in cold blood just after I locked myself in the toilet and was about to phone the police for help because you were in such a foul temper’
 
Still all about not accepting responsibility. He even had the nerve to try and put words in Reeva’s mouth from the grave by suggesting if she could communicate it would be her wish he did not spend any more time in prison.

I might suggest if Reeva could communicate it would be to tell a completely different story along the lines of ‘You lying *advertiser censored*, you know full well you shot me in cold blood just after I locked myself in the toilet and was about to phone the police for help because you were in such a foul temper’

Or maybe just 'you stupid b**stard, if only you had just thought to check I was there before jumping to conclusions... '
 
when Reeva, in an earlier period of her life, think it was in P.E., had robbers besieging her neighbourhood, her tweet to the community was

"if you catch them , crack the shet out of them, they' re cowards"

That's Reeva's attitude to wanton violence.
 
when Reeva, in an earlier period of her life, think it was in P.E., had robbers besieging her neighbourhood, her tweet to the community was

"if you catch them , crack the shet out of them, they' re cowards"

That's Reeva's attitude to wanton violence.

What do you think she meant by that?
 
when Reeva, in an earlier period of her life, think it was in P.E., had robbers besieging her neighbourhood, her tweet to the community was

"if you catch them , crack the shet out of them, they' re cowards"

That's Reeva's attitude to wanton violence.

That very day she was murdered by Pistorius she was due to give a speech wasn't she, on women being victims of violence
She must have been preparing her speech while at Pistorius' the night before, perhaps going through it with him, but as it was Valentine's Day (after midnight officially) i wonder if he wanted all the attention to be ON HIM , and something small turned into a massive row.

He has a history of having a short temper, which we know from incidences driving, the restaurant, what his ex Sam Taylor testified to, the olympics incidents,his behaviour towards Reeva when they socialised. I still think something was removed from that crime scene in his house that could have helped give the Prosecution a reason why Pistorius could have kicked off at her that night. We'll never know, but Reeva's family will always be wondering what it was because they know an argument took place. I think Judge Leach had he been the Judge would have deduced that too from the witnesses testimonies who heard a woman screaming.
 
when Reeva, in an earlier period of her life, think it was in P.E., had robbers besieging her neighbourhood, her tweet to the community was

"if you catch them , crack the shet out of them, they' re cowards"

That's Reeva's attitude to wanton violence.
I remember this, i think it was in her parents home and they all went into a room and locked the door terrified.
In SA robbery is common and often robbers carry weapons so it must have been very frightening experience, so anyone experiencing such an invasion in their own homes would view these people as cowards.
 
Couple all of that with -

From the SCA


In these circumstances I have no doubt that in firing the fatal shots the accused must have foreseen, and therefore did foresee, that whoever was behind the toilet door might die, but reconciled himself to that event occurring and gambled with that person’s life. This constituted dolus eventualis on his part, and the identity of his victim is irrelevant to his guilt

And

thus not only did he not know who was behind the door, he did not know whether that person in fact constituted any threat to him. In these circumstances, although he may have been anxious, it is inconceivable that a rational person could have believed he was entitled to fire at this person with a heavy calibre firearm, without taking even that most elementary precaution of firing a warning shot (which the accused said he elected not to fire as he thought the ricochet might harm him). This constituted prima facie proof that the accused did not entertain an honest and genuine belief that he was acting lawfully, which was in no way disturbed by his vacillating and untruthful evidence in regard to his state of mind when he fired his weapon.

Note: 1. The identity of the victim is irrelevant to his guilt

2. He did not KNOW who was behind the door ( so although he thought he did not know)

All of this . I hope Masipa has her head screwed on the right way on sentencing THIS TIME.
 
Still all about not accepting responsibility. He even had the nerve to try and put words in Reeva’s mouth from the grave by suggesting if she could communicate it would be her wish he did not spend any more time in prison.

I might suggest if Reeva could communicate it would be to tell a completely different story along the lines of ‘You lying *advertiser censored*, you know full well you shot me in cold blood just after I locked myself in the toilet and was about to phone the police for help because you were in such a foul temper’

If she was looking down she'd want Justice served - she'd have seen him insulting her memory and ruining her family's life and having taken hers in such an indescribable brutal way , because she would have suffered . I also think she knew that night that she wasn't going to stay with him (her bags were packed) and i think that's why he killed her,

I think she'd want Justice for women who are gunned down like she was,,, in a domestic violence situation and she'd want him to be held accountable for his actions. She'd also want that because he professes to be so religious yet swore on the Bible to tell the truth in Court -------------and he didn't.
 
If she was looking down she'd want Justice served - she'd have seen him insulting her memory and ruining her family's life and having taken hers in such an indescribable brutal way , because she would have suffered . I also think she knew that night that she wasn't going to stay with him (her bags were packed) and i think that's why he killed her,

I think she'd want Justice for women who are gunned down like she was,,, in a domestic violence situation and she'd want him to be held accountable for his actions. She'd also want that because he professes to be so religious yet swore on the Bible to tell the truth in Court -------------and he didn't.
BIB - I totally agree, and it was the final insult when he declared on national TV that the woman he shot dead would want him to live a life where he could help others. He likes Reeva to have a voice (his voice) when it benefits him. In his affidavit he claimed they were "deeply in love" and that "Reeva felt the same way." As she'd just been violently murdered by him hours before, I doubt it. Then he decides she wouldn't want him to waste his life in prison. Having Reeva 'sympathise' with him from beyond the grave is unreal.
 
I remember this, i think it was in her parents home and they all went into a room and locked the door terrified.
In SA robbery is common and often robbers carry weapons so it must have been very frightening experience, so anyone experiencing such an invasion in their own homes would view these people as cowards.

Bib - isn't this what the defence believe Reeva did?
Biu
- isn't this the very detail that fuelled the fear Pistorius claimed to have felt?
 
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