Oscar Pistorius - Sentencing - 6.13.2016

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Unfortunately we have access to a video of him almost running on his stumps. Maybe he ought to take up acting when he is released. This display is appalling. It will be seen through by most BUT will Masipa see it like that?
 
David Dadic ‏@DavidDadic 3m3 minutes ago

But, as we know, the harder they come at him the harder Gerrie gives back. He's going to go all out here.
 
Someone on David Dadic's tweet feed just made an apt comment along the lines of can Nel ask him to hold a gun and pretend to fire a gun four times while on his stumps.

yes, Nel could do that couldn't he! or show the video OP made?
 
BIB He did not know the identity not that he did not think it was Reeva.

BIB Not so. SCA "He may have been anxious"

Leach also said when asked by Roux "Then why did he fire" said wtte "Because he was fearful"

SCA - "Identity of the victim irrelevant to his guilt".

"He may have been anxious" does not indicate acceptance of that. They are saying that it, too, is irrelevant.

You are also deliberately ignoring "He did not have a genuinely held belief that his life was in danger".

It's really a bit of a stretch to include questions and answers from the actual hearing. The judgement is what actually matters.
 
where this whole thing went wrong is we all got the wrong perception that Reeva was murdered, at 3am, in the dark, in the toilet , behind a locked door, by a gun loaded with Black Avenger Bullets that rip and tear and kill , held in the hand of god alone knows who, but it wasn't Oscar, ... he fired the gun , yes but he was scared.

so we all have to adjust our perceptions.
 
Unfortunately we have access to a video of him almost running on his stumps. Maybe he ought to take up acting when he is released. This display is appalling. It will be seen through by most BUT will Masipa see it like that?

I honestly think it has less impact second time around.

nel may as well sink to their level/up the ante ( dep on one's opinion) and show the video running with the gun IMO
 
Pistorius replaces his prostheses as Roux tells the court:

I don’t want to overplay vulnerability, that’s not what I want to do. I don’t want to overplay disability. But the time has come that we must just look with different eyes, at least with unbiased eyes.

It doesn’t mean because he’s vulnerable that he can do what he likes. That’s not what we say.

But when we’re entering the field of sentencing, look at that man’s conduct … Please let’s understand … who is this man that you must sentence?

melodrama, the real drama was 14th Feb 2013.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ius-sentencing-live-day-three-reeva-steenkamp
 
...i thought this was about sentencing not going back through all the evidence etc......indecent and digusting are the two words that spring to mind right now.......
 
That is possibly the most gratuitous and humiliating thing I've seen on tv. Is there nothing roux won't stoop to to get OP off a 15 year sentence? Absolutely disgraceful.
 
'No purpose served' by sending Pistorius to prison - defence

Roux turns to the sentence:

South Africa is a progressive constitutional country where punishment must have a rational purpose.

The sentence needs to be appropriate to the individual, he says. The court needs to look for opportunities for rehabilitation. An excessive punishment could have the opposite effect:

Punishment is not meant to break the defendant … The accused does not fall into the category of offender who should be removed from society.

There is no purpose served.

He says a prison sentence imposed at this point is merely a “veil for retribution”. The deterrent effect has already been achieved by Pistorius’ first stint in prison.



Got my feed back intermittently, so frustrating

Duty to consider rehabilitating in sentencing
He repeats Masipa's reasonings from last sentence hearing, on purposes of rehab.

And Op has met his benchmarks for rehab as they are set down ( courses etc)

R says Op has been rehab already. he is no risk to society or else he would not have been released

12 months served. CS supervision. Stringent bail. Sensibly he cannot be detained any longer.

“We don’t have to be psychologists” to see Pistorius is a broken man, Roux tells Masipa:

He desperately does not want to hide behind fame … He wants to be treated like someone unknown, someone who has done wrong and must be punished.

Quotes Terreblanche texts on sentencing on deterrence

Deterrence has been achieved, Scholtzs says he is low risk, prison will only break him

Is retribution so imp in this case.
Nowadays we have moved away from retrib to correction and prevention.

Reads a minister's recent comments in media Cross the world - retrib does not deter crime, moral outrage etc doesnt repair anything for anyone incl. victims
Ubuntu is important
- we try to reconcile all the elements and then the diff task of deciding what is an apt sentence in this case.
 
Milton Nkosi Verified account ‏@nkosi_milton 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius -- Roux ends. Nel is up. Starts by reminding the court that the appeal court found that it was murder.
 
Erin Bates Verified account ‏@ermbates 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Gerrie Nel for State has begun arguing, says we saw Barry Steenkamp, "If you want to talk about a broken man..." @News24
 
Brilliant rebuttal by Nel on No.5 Barry, DD, but no anger/hatred from barry
 
Erin Bates Verified account ‏@ermbates 15h15 hours ago

Both the courts rejected the argument of self-defense, submits Nel @News24 #OscarPistorius
 
Jacaranda News ‏@JacaNews 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Nel says there is no basis for saying OP's studies would stop if he went to jail - says many people study in prison.
 
Nel explains that while OP may have accepted the SCA judgment he has yet to accept full responsibility.

Also explaining that Oscar was allowed a TV, why would he not be allowed a computer for his studies. Says hundreds of prisoners study while incarcerated. This is no barrier to a custodial sentence.
 
Karyn Maughan Verified account ‏@karynmaughan 15h15 hours ago

Nel argues #OscarPistorius was criminal convicted of violent crime during table banging fight with Mashabane
 
Nel is applying to show the photos of Reeva's injuries.
 
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