PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #2

[Ghostwheel]

I find this interesting. I’m not sure most people’s minds would go there, unless they believed their son was capable of such a thing.

When something bad happens, a lot of people gather up the people close to them. If the people you love aren't right there, you might go look for them. If you found your gun missing while looking for your loved one, your mind might go there. A sequence of events can lead you to a place you never would have thought of.

 

[x_files]

I couldn't' find anything saying otherwise, unless I think the person you loan it to is barred from processing a firearm.

oh wow, I had no idea it was so lax it's harder to buy Sudafed at the drugstore!

 

[formerlyme]

oh wow, I had no idea it was so lax it's harder to buy Sudafed at the drugstore!

it surprised me too.

 

[photoprose1122]

I find this interesting. I’m not sure most people’s minds would go there, unless they believed their son was capable of such a thing.

I thought the same thing. Like, unless you know your kid is capable of that, why is it that when he was watching the shooting unfold his immediate thought was about his son and the gun?

 

[fred&edna]

So , effectively the protectant has a team of Secret Service which are his core protection but they rely on local authorities for the extra protection, so this is normal practice and Secret Service did its job. And the lesson learned is that the practice needs improvement and change. In my opinion. Current state of affairs would benefit from a larger presence.

The US SS relies on local LE agencies to do their jobs under their coordination. It can't be rocket science that the US SS coordinators should be fundamentally and completely aware of the capabilities and/or limitations of any agency with which they are working.

One would assume this coordination would include making certain all agencies and officers understand who is on first, who is on second, who is in the outfield, how they are equipped and their responsibilities. How many rooftop structures did the US SS have to protect out there?? Didn't look like that many to me. It wasn't in the middle of a major city with rooftops galore.

Fundamental lessons learned through loss of life and human injury... a shameful event.

jmo

 

[Leopard]

What is the referenced “progressive cause” he donated to in 2021?

The Progressive Turnout Project.

How a young man with no clear motive tried to kill former President Donald Trump

The FBI is still searching for a motive behind the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump during his rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday.

www.ktvq.com

 

[pandamonium]

I thought the same thing. Like, unless you know your kid is capable of that, why is it that when he was watching the shooting unfold his immediate thought was about his son and the gun?

I wonder if the parents had their son on a tracking app like Life 360. We have college-aged kids and we all share locations. If I were to hear/read about this, I would immediately check the app to see where they were and make sure they were safe.

 

[photoprose1122]

Not IMO. Son is over 18 and there was no intent on behalf of the Father.

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I will say there is precedent, for such a thing. The Michigan school shooter’s parents were convicted and are facing jail time. But not sure that they’ll find any evidence in this case to support any charges against the parents. (Nor do I believe they should face charges unless guilty of gross negligence to act).

eTA link to case

Parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley both sentenced to 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter

James and Jennifer Crumbley were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter in their son Ethan’s deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Pyrite]

Could the father be facing charges? letting the son take his gun?

I doubt it. As far as I know there is no law against allowing your adult son to borrow a gun to go to a range, at least as long as the son is allowed to have a firearm (non-felon, no known mental illness).

 

[Knox]

The F.B.I. said it had gained access to the would-be assassin’s phone, but it was not immediately clear if it had yielded clues.

Live Updates: Investigators Unlock Gunman’s Phone in Search for Motive in Trump Shooting

The F.B.I. said it had gained access to the would-be assassin’s phone, but it was not immediately clear if it had yielded clues. The Homeland Security secretary said the Secret Service would beef up Donald Trump’s security.

www.nytimes.com

Differing information as usual ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812938796310360221

 

[SophieRose]

US - Shots fired at Donald Trump rally in Pennsylvania as former president is seen with blood across his face, 13 July 2024

Minute-by-minute timeline: https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/timeline-trump-rally-shooting-dg/index.html

www.websleuths.com

The other thread closed before I could respond. Was this image was taken before shots were fired?
Everything else appears too normal to me. Security are in their usual positions etc.

Just wandering, if Trump spoke with his shoes off? (If so, I get it..I've got bad feet myself)

Grateful, defiant Trump recounts surviving ‘surreal’ assassination attempt at rally: ‘I’m supposed to be dead’

A grateful and at times defiant Donald Trump told The Post Sunday he’s “supposed to be dead” as he recalled the harrowing moment a would-be assassin shot him at a Pennsylvania campaign rally.…

nypost.com

He also cleared up a mystery about his shoes. On the video of the shooting and aftermath, as the burly agents tried to rush him off the stage for safety, he can be heard saying, “Wait, I want to get my shoes.”

As he explained in the interview, “The agents hit me so hard that my shoes fell off, and my shoes are tight,” he said with a smile.

 

[Seattle1]

Is


Is it legal to bring someone else's gun?

Thanks for this link. I just posted MSM citing TC joined a shooting range/club about a year ago.

 

[formerlyme]

I will say there is precedent, for such a thing. The Michigan school shooter’s parents were convicted and are facing jail time. But not sure that they’ll find any evidence in this case to support any charges against the parents. (Nor do I believe they should face charges unless guilty of gross negligence to act).

I guess since both parents work in behavioral health (as mentioned above) they could be held by DUTY TO WARN if son had made any statements which could have led them to call authorities and report son and gun missing . Of course anything along those lines is pure speculation as I have seen no evidence documenting such.

 

[Pyrite]

I will say there is precedent, for such a thing. The Michigan school shooter’s parents were convicted and are facing jail time. But not sure that they’ll find any evidence in this case to support any charges against the parents. (Nor do I believe they should face charges unless guilty of gross negligence to act).

The school shooter was underage and had suspected mental illness. I don’t think the parents convictions would be a precedent for the current situation.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2024-03-11/counselor-recalls-morning-of-michigan-school-attack-when-parents-declined-to-take-shooter-home

 

[margarita25]

The Progressive Turnout Project.

How a young man with no clear motive tried to kill former President Donald Trump

The FBI is still searching for a motive behind the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump during his rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday.

www.ktvq.com

Thank you, apologies for rehash.

“In January 2021, Crooks gave $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project, which is described on its website as “the largest voter contact organization in the country, specifically dedicated to mobilizing the Democratic Party and defending democracy.””

 

[steeltowngirl]

Differing information as usual ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812938796310360221

Perhaps your source has a more recent update. Or he meant the texts and calls didn’t reveal anything. Having the phone data itself may reveal more (notes, lists, Google searches etc)

"FBI technical specialists successfully gained access to Thomas Matthew Crooks’ phone, and they continue to analyze his electronic devices," the FBI said in a statement.
"The search of the subject's residence and vehicle are complete."
The bureau added that it has conducted nearly 100 interviews with law enforcement personnel, event attendees and other witnesses.
In a call with reporters on Sunday, FBI officials said they had still not yet been able to attribute an ideology or find evidence of a motive for the shooting.
The AR-style 556 rifle used by the shooter was legally purchased by his father and officials said there was no indication that the suspect suffered from any mental health issues.
They added that a preliminary review of recent calls and texts by the shooter did not shed any light on his motive, or on whether others may have had prior knowledge of his plans.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2024-07-15/fbi-says-it-has-gained-access-to-trump-shooting-suspects-phone

 

[vivier]

Not that we expect people to behave correctly after being shot at, but it seemed to me that Trump should have got down sooner. And stayed down. After all, they didn't know if there were other shooters in the area.

I'm seeing the circumstances play out in the video differently than you are.

Once Trump was on the ground security agents jumped on top of him then shouted ‘shooter is down’ after a sniper killed the gunman. The agents and Trump then all get up and you can see the agents then checking Trump for injuries. Not exactly in the biggest rush to get him offstage.

'Let me get my shoes,' Trump tells Secret Service agents after assassination attempt – video

Secret Service agents jumped on Donald Trump before shouting 'shooter down' and escorting the former president into a car

www.theguardian.com

 

[Knox]

I will say there is precedent, for such a thing. The Michigan school shooter’s parents were convicted and are facing jail time. But not sure that they’ll find any evidence in this case to support any charges against the parents. (Nor do I believe they should face charges unless guilty of gross negligence to act).

eTA link to case

Parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley both sentenced to 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter

James and Jennifer Crumbley were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter in their son Ethan’s deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

www.nbcnews.com

I don't feel it's appropriate to comment on potential charges against his parents at this time. There is no evidence so far to suggest they were anything but shocked at what he did. In addition, it appears his Dad called LE per the tweet below. IMO, they are going through enough & unless new information is revealed to the contrary - they are victims of his horrific actions too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812938796310360221

 

[GRT]

I don't know that buying ammo would really be a red flag. I'm sure that store sold lots of ammo that day and every other day. 50 rounds is a typical amount to buy if you are going to the range to shoot.

Edited to add: this amount is likely the smallest amount someone could buy. A quick google search for boxes of ammo show that most come in boxes of 50. So a young man goes into a store and buys a single box of bullets.

That could be true, but in many states, it's illegal to sell liquor on election days, so maybe a law not to sell ammo on the day before and day of a large political rally?

I don't know. I'm just thinking aloud, but

He got down super quickly IMO. In fact I don't really know how he could have gone down quicker. And it was the SS who were tasked with getting him out of the venue after this tragic incident. They were in charge at that point of determining the all clear and go point.
Everyone see's things differently but I thought his reassurance to the crowd was a huge moment of strength for them and the audiences watching the broadcast. <modsnip: quoted post was snipped>

I thought he got down quickly, too. Remember when Prince Charles was shot at in the 90s? He wandered all around the stage and kept that royal stiff upper lip. I would have been like, whoa...feet don't fail me now!

 

[Wishbone]

I too want to know if he brought it there unassembled I would think if he was walking around carrying it, there would have been someone taking issue, but maybe not. I am curious as it how it was brought in. I know people have "said" they saw him walking around with it, did they tell authorities at that time? I would like to see an image just to wrap my head around it. I will tell you though in the last few years I have seen more and more people taking their weapons out for a walk in the open.... just my thoughts.

My question is how did he get the weapon through the metal detectors used by security to those events?