This is so hard to read because they had him. They knew something was off and certainly when he was looking through a range finder, he as a sniper KNEW what that was for. Maybe the average person wouldn't know what it was or what it was for, but a sniper would know. At this point the secret service should have been alerted and Trump should not have been on the stage period until the guy was found. This all would have been prevented by keeping Trump off the stage until they apprehended him and at least questioned him.
Sniper took picture of Trump rally shooter, saw him use rangefinder before assassination attempt, source says
The sniper radioed to a command post, according to a local law enforcement officer.www.cbsnews.com
-One sniper inside spotted the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, according to the officer who spoke to CBS News. The sniper observed Crooks as he returned to the building, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the local snipers took a picture of Crooks.
Next, the local sniper observed Crooks looking through a rangefinder, an instrument routinely used by marksmen to determine the distance of a target, and he immediately radioed to the command post, according to the local law enforcement officer. The local sniper also attempted to send the photo of the gunman up the chain of command.
The command post, according to multiple law enforcement officials, served as a central hub to streamline communications between U.S. Secret Service and the local officers from nearby state and county police forces. It is unclear if the command post received the alert.
Officials then lost track of Crooks, who disappeared, but soon returned for a third time with a backpack. The local sniper team called for backup — alerting the command post that the gunman had a backpack and was walking toward the back of the building.
By the time other local officers responded to the backup request, the gunman had scaled the building, positioning himself above and behind the local snipers inside the building, according to the officer.
Two other municipal police officers who heard the call for back-up attempted to climb onto the roof. Butler County Sheriff Michael Sloupe told CBS Pittsburgh station KDKA that an armed municipal officer with Butler Township was hoisted by another officer onto the roof of the building where the gunman had taken a position. Crooks focused his rifle towards the officer who ultimately let go, falling off the roof. Moments later, the shooter began firing into the crowd.
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How far in advance are political events such as this one typically scheduled and announced? Was just thinking if his goal was to injure many, various graduations ended in late May - end of June. Which makes me think this was more targeted, but at what point would he have known that event was scheduled in that location?
Kyle Gass will be searching for a new talent agency soonJack Black did not say it. Kyle Gass did, and Jack Black canceled the tour because of it
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Tenacious D singer Kyle Gass has been dropped by his talent agency following his tasteless comments about the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump .
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Wow, this makes the security breakdown all the more shocking:
CNN —
US authorities obtained intelligence from a human source in recent weeks on a plot by Iran to try to assassinate Donald Trump, a development that led to the Secret Service increasing security around the former president in recent weeks, multiple people briefed on the matter told CNN.
There’s no indication that Thomas Matthew Crooks, the would-be assassin who attempted to kill the former president on Saturday, was connected to the plot, the sources said.
The existence of the intelligence threat from a hostile foreign intelligence agency — and the enhanced security for Trump — raises new questions about the security lapses at the Saturday rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, and how a 20-year-old man managed to access a nearby rooftop to fire shots that injured the former president.
It’s not clear whether the specifics of the Iran threat were shared with the Trump campaign, which said in a statement: “We do not comment on President Trump’s security detail. All questions should be directed to The United States Secret Service.”
The Secret Service recently “added protective resources and capabilities to the former President’s security detail,” agency spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement on Sunday.
Secret Service officials have warned the Trump campaign repeatedly against holding outdoor rallies, which pose greater risks than events to which the agency can better control access, people briefed on the matter said. The warnings have been more general in nature, the sources said.
At one point during this election cycle, the campaign stopped holding spontaneous off-the-record events where guests weren’t swept by Secret Service beforehand due to security concerns, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.
The FBI, which is conducting the investigation into Saturday’s shooting, declined to comment.
CNN —
US authorities obtained intelligence from a human source in recent weeks on a plot by Iran to try to assassinate Donald Trump, a development that led to the Secret Service increasing security around the former president in recent weeks, multiple people briefed on the matter told CNN.
There’s no indication that Thomas Matthew Crooks, the would-be assassin who attempted to kill the former president on Saturday, was connected to the plot, the sources said.
The existence of the intelligence threat from a hostile foreign intelligence agency — and the enhanced security for Trump — raises new questions about the security lapses at the Saturday rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, and how a 20-year-old man managed to access a nearby rooftop to fire shots that injured the former president.
It’s not clear whether the specifics of the Iran threat were shared with the Trump campaign, which said in a statement: “We do not comment on President Trump’s security detail. All questions should be directed to The United States Secret Service.”
The Secret Service recently “added protective resources and capabilities to the former President’s security detail,” agency spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement on Sunday.
Secret Service officials have warned the Trump campaign repeatedly against holding outdoor rallies, which pose greater risks than events to which the agency can better control access, people briefed on the matter said. The warnings have been more general in nature, the sources said.
At one point during this election cycle, the campaign stopped holding spontaneous off-the-record events where guests weren’t swept by Secret Service beforehand due to security concerns, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.
The FBI, which is conducting the investigation into Saturday’s shooting, declined to comment.
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If trump was really an hour late, where was Crooks waiting in the meantime?
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That’s what I was trying to figure out. From what I could gather, there were events scheduled that were announced 2-3 weeks prior.
I haven’t been able to find the announcement for this one.
ETA: The rally was announced on July 3, which means he had 10 days to prepare.
This seals it for me, targeting Trump, at least on that particular day, was not part of his original plan.
That’s not long enough to plan to build bombs, acquire the materials, and then actually build them.
He was either planning to target trump elsewhere, or more likely, planning some sort of mass casualty attack before he pivoted when opportunity struck.
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The fact he didn't take the opportunity to shoot at the crowd tells me it wasn't his goal. I think those who were shot were just in the way between him and Trump. If he wanted to kill many he could have just sprayed the crowd and accomplished that.
It was posted either on this thread or the first one that these rallies are usually scheduled a couple weeks out. So not months in advance, but not spur of the moment either.
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From above link:
"Secret Service officials have warned the Trump campaign repeatedly against holding outdoor rallies, which pose greater risks than events to which the agency can better control access, people briefed on the matter said. The warnings have been more general in nature, the sources said."
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Apparently, the director and her supporters don't understanding the meaning of "the buck stops here". It almost seems as if it's a game of "hot potato"... pass it around until everyone simply stops talking about it and it's all cool. JMO
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Kyle Gass will be searching for a new talent agency soon
Tenacious D star Kyle Gass dropped by agency after Trump comments
Tenacious D singer Kyle Gass has been dropped by his talent agency following his tasteless comments about the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump .www.dailymail.co.uk
I’d have to imagine that black knew of gass’s feelings towards trump before gass said that.
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Prediction: That won't stop conspiracy theorists from connecting TC to Iran.
But, it is a huge national security issue when a local kid was able to pull this off for the whole world to see.
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This seems like the SS passing the buck and playing the blame game.
This seems obvious though that outdoor events have different security risks than indoor events, but that doesn't mean it's Trumps responsibility to just pick indoor places to make it easier for the secret service. They are one of the best security agencies in the world. They know exactly how to keep people safe indoors and outdoors and this was a failure that falls directly at their feet. The area was not that large and the number of buildings where someone could camp out and get a shot at the stage were not that many. They keep our president safe all around the world in countries that hate the US and even in war zones.. and they failed right there in middle of nowhere PA. Imagine if it was a trained sniper hired by a foreign country to come take someone out.
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Negative feelings about Trump are one thing; wishing him dead is totally different.
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Did I hear correctly that there were 50,000 people at the rally? While it is certainly hard to keep an eye on that many people in an open air space, all of the surrounding buildings should have been secured. That's a nobrainer. I wonder who was assigned to be on that roof?
I think it's possible he knew PA was a battleground state and if the target was Trump, he knew Trump would make stops in PA. Maybe he didn't know when or where exactly, but safe to say he could predict that there would be rallies over the next few months.
I do wonder what these bombs were for exactly. Were they the back up plan, were they part of the bigger plan, but he didn't have time to detonate it.. or did he try to detonate it and it didn't work? I am curious if it was a bomb he was going to place somewhere else or was he planning to blow his car up as part of the bomb. Him having a transmitter on him is what makes it seem like he was going to remotely detonate it... where was his car? Was it in a location that could have taken out Trumps motorcade as it entered? Was he going to use it as a distraction and in the chaos then shoot?
Any PotUS or former PotUS always has a roster of groups/people who would like to do them harm. It's kind of in the job description. Having said that, I've always thought that Trump's assassination of Soleimani was different and would probably end up being one of those things where... whether it was against Trump, his family, other US officials/citizens... the response from his "people" would eventually come.
From that perspective and given the likelihood of such a thing throwing the USA into chaos, I would take those Secret Service warnings as most serious.
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<modsnip: “I heard” is not an approved source> It was a relatively small outdoor venue.
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He might have wanted to set off the bomb in his car as a distraction?
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Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle said in a television interview Tuesday morning that part of the reason the agency did not require a police officer to stand atop the roof of the Agr building was its slope. “That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point, and so there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she said. “So, you know, the decision was made to secure the building from inside.”
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If I’m not mistaken the sniper who shot him was on a sloped roof.
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The hearing with cheatle on 22nd should be interesting.
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If I’m not mistaken the sniper who shot him was on a sloped roof.
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The hearing with cheatle on 22nd should be interesting.
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Secret Service officials have warned the Trump campaign repeatedly against holding outdoor rallies, which pose greater risks than events to which the agency can better control access
That line says a lot as well.