PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4

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imstilla.grandma said:
TIMMONS: OK. So I am going to go over the Trump event. So, this was publicly announced July 3 Butler, Pennsylvania. The venue is an outdoor fairground, open air, no existing security. The crowd size is -- was expected to be tens of thousands. It ended up being over 20,000.

There were general and specific threats from foreign adversaries, as the chairman of Intelligence remarked. Iran has said they want revenge, as well as, when President Trump was in office, he made a lot of people mad, terrorists to be included, all over the world. And President Trump is the former president and the future president.

So I would say that that is a fairly high-risk event. Would you agree?

CHEATLE: Yes.

TIMMONS: OK, let's conversely -- the first lady had an event at a casino in Pittsburgh just a few dozen miles away. It was a dinner for the Italian Sons and Daughters of America. It was publicly announced on July 10.

What's interesting is that the casino is actually extremely secure. They already have magnetometers existing prior to this event even being announced. It was in a ballroom, and the size of the crowd, a mere 400. There were no specific threats. There may have been general threats. And the asset is the first lady.

Those seem like there's a huge disparity relative to risk. Would you agree?

CHEATLE: Yes.

TIMMONS: OK, thank you.

Multiple whistle-blowers in various media outlets have reported that the Pittsburgh field office of the Secret Service allocated 12 additional post standers to the first lady's event and three additional post standers to the Trump rally. Is that correct?

[13:10:03]

CHEATLE: There were no assets that were diverted from the first lady's visit.

TIMMONS: No, no, no, no, this is a very simple question. I'm not asking if anyone was diverted.

Did the first lady's event that was relatively secure, especially compared to Trump's rally, get 12 assets, and the first lady -- did the first ladies event get 12 assets and Trump's get three from the Pittsburgh field office?

That's a yes-or-no question.

CHEATLE: The number --

TIMMONS: If you don't know, don't answer it. I mean, if you don't know, don't answer it.

CHEATLE: The number of personnel that were allocated to both of those events were comparable to the risk at both of those events.

TIMMONS: Wow. Really? So you think that the Pittsburgh casino 400- person in a ballroom with ingress-egress through probably a very well- guarded parking garage was four times more dangerous than a 20,000- person rally in open field with the former president and future president?

You think that that's four times more dangerous, the casino event?

CHEATLE: I didn't say that at all.

TIMMONS: Well, they got four times the resources from the Pittsburgh field office, who was likely in charge of the final walk-through for both events.

I mean, we have continually highlighted the failures of the Secret Service at the Trump rally. And you have the former and future president getting shot. You have multiple injuries, one fatality. And I would have to think that, if we had nine more post standers, nine more individuals that have the training and the integration into the Secret Service defense of Trump at that rally, that I have a feeling that Crooks would have had somebody come say hello to him before he fired a bunch of shots.

What -- do you think that's possibly true?

CHEATLE: There were significantly more assets and resources available at the former president's event than there were at the first lady's event.

TIMMONS: Who made the decision to deploy 12 post standers to the casino, where the first lady was having a 400-person dinner, and only three people from the Pittsburgh field office to the 20,000-plus -- person-plus Trump rally? Who made that decision?

CHEATLE: There were additional Secret Service resources available at the former President Trump's event that day.

TIMMONS: Who made the decision to deploy 12 post standers to the casino and three to the Trump event?

CHEATLE: The allocation of resources is decided based on the availability of personnel and their location and where they are, but there were sufficient resources that were given --

TIMMONS: What did you just say?

CHEATLE: -- given to former president's event that day.

TIMMONS: Did you just say there were sufficient resources? President Trump got shot. Someone got killed. There were not sufficient resources, clearly.

CHEATLE: There was a gap.

TIMMONS: And it doesn't take 27 years of experience to know that. And whoever made that decision -- it probably wasn't you -- needs to be fired. And then you need to resign, because this is absolutely unacceptable and you have lost the trust of the American people.

With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield.
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Bbm.
Thanks for transcribing this !
Smh.
The bolded sums it up.
Omo.
 
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Betty P said:
From your link:



Re when LE swept the roof, guarded it, etc. my theory is that it was done by local LE who are now covering up mistakes they made. Neither FBI nor SS can say whether those things happened until they get to the truth.
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If the Secret Service wasn't tracking this information to know when and if things were done, that's even more of a failure of the Secret Service. The Secret Service should have had that information in near real time if the Secret Service was doing their jobs whether it was Secret Service, Homeland Security or local LE who was asked to do it. It would be absolutely horrible if the Secret Service was supposed to protect against an Iranian retaliatory assassination of a former President and didn't even bother to keep a log of all security sweeps or verify that were done nor check if a roof within 200 yards of the former President was actually secured and stayed secured...what you are describing would be complete dereliction of duty by the Secret Service if this is true that the Secret Service didn't even bother to keep so much as logs of this information.
 
justtrish said:
I understand having things they can't/don't share with local LE, but if the SS is relying on local LE to help and if they have delegated significant security tasks to them, then it's negligent to not have a way for them to communicate with one another. I'm not saying they have to share secret routes or info that only SS needs to know, but how the heck are they going to learn of a threat if local LE are in charge of watching for these threats and then they can't in turn communicate that to the SS?
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They do have a way to communicate with local LE and vice versa.

It works all the time, during hundreds, if not thousands of events every year, for decades.
 
At that hearing, Cheatle refused to resign, saying she was the best qualified person to head the Secret Service, which is responsible for protecting the president, vice president, their family members, and leading presidential candidates.

But on Tuesday, Cheatle in a letter wrote to Secret Service staff, "In light of recent events, it is with a heavy heart that, I have made the difficult decision to step down as your Director."

 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/23/politics/secret-service-director-kimberly-cheatle/index.html

US Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has tendered her resignation amid scrutiny of security lapses related to the recent assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump, sources tell CNN.

The move comes as lawmakers and an internal government watchdog move forward with investigations into the agency’s handling of Trump’s protection and how a gunman came close to the killing the 2024 Republican presidential candidate at a rally in Pennsylvania this month.

There have been bipartisan calls in Congress for her resignation and a push by Republican lawmakers to impeach her. Lawmakers were particularly incensed after her appearance for public testimony in front of the House Oversight Commitee Monday, where she was unwilling to answer many of the committee’s questions.
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Just curious, have any other heads of SS resigned after assassinations or attempted assassinations?

I don't believe so. After JFK's assassination, neither the director nor any of the agents were fired or asked to resign.

Timeline of Our History

Timeline of Our History 1865 The Secret Service Division was formed on July 5, 1865 as part of the Department of the Treasury. Chief William P. Wood was sworn in as the first Secret Service chief (now known as “director”) by Secretary of the Treasury Hugh McCulloch.
www.secretservice.gov www.secretservice.gov
 
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I happen to notice that she resigned before a commander from the Pennsylvania State Police was to give his testimony in today's congressional committee hearing.

Her resignation has the hearing in recess right now.
 
I will not be surprised to find others may lose their jobs when this investigation is complete. While Cheatle was ultimately in charge, there were likely other failures. I hope it's not just "forgotten" now that she has resigned, meaning people will be appeased that the 'seemingly known problem' is now gone. Policies and communication need to be looked at after this tragic event.
Given the known threats and details that have emerged, there should have been a bare minimum of a perimeter and security presence of AT LEAST the known distance a typical rifle could shoot. That seems to be common sense, imo.

Also, IF Cheatle is ultimately responsible, I don't think she should be allowed to resign and keep her pension, etc. She should be fired. There is a big difference between resigning and being fired.
 
GatorFL said:
That took too long. If she was just going to quit, why even bother to go through the tongue lashing she got yesterday?
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Because she seriously wanted to help the fact finding and is not a coward?

There is a difference between quitting and resigning.

People quit when they don't have the character to take responsibility. They resign after reflection when they do take responsibility.

MOO
 
We don't know if she was informed if she didn't resign she would be fired.
IIRC: There are financial benefits to resigning which is why many in LE like police officers who are caught up in most likely forthcoming criminal charges against them quickly resign knowing they will be fired.
It could apply to federal jobs too even if possible criminal charges aren't involved.

Then again even she knew she lost all credibility after yesterday's hearing.
 
Local police alerted the Secret Service before former president Donald Trump’s rally Saturday that they lacked the resources to station a patrol car outside a key building where a gunman later positioned himself and shot at Trump, according to local and federal law enforcement.

Richard Goldinger, the district attorney in Butler County, Pa., where the Trump rally took place, said the Secret Service “was informed that the local police department did not have manpower to assist with securing that building.”

 
Izzylizzy said:
We don't know if she was informed if she didn't resign she would be fired.
IIRC: There are financial benefits to resigning which is why many in LE like police officers who are caught up in most likely forthcoming criminal charges against them quickly resign knowing they will be fired.
It could apply to federal jobs too even if possible criminal charges aren't involved.

Then again even she knew she lost all credibility after yesterday's hearing.
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I wondered if this was the case. Biden is said to be returning to Washington today. Maybe he gave her the opportunity to resign so he didn't have to fire her. JMO
 
'President Joe Biden, in a statement, thanked Cheatle for “her decades of public service,” and said, “As a leader, it takes honor, courage, and incredible integrity to take full responsibility for an organization tasked with one of the most challenging jobs in public service.”

Biden also said he plans to appoint a new Secret Service director “soon,”


 
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Employees unaware of this may be tempted or pressured to resign if they know they are about to be fired.

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SpanishInquisition said:
If the Secret Service wasn't tracking this information to know when and if things were done, that's even more of a failure of the Secret Service. The Secret Service should have had that information in near real time if the Secret Service was doing their jobs whether it was Secret Service, Homeland Security or local LE who was asked to do it. It would be absolutely horrible if the Secret Service was supposed to protect against an Iranian retaliatory assassination of a former President and didn't even bother to keep a log of all security sweeps or verify that were done nor check if a roof within 200 yards of the former President was actually secured and stayed secured...what you are describing would be complete dereliction of duty by the Secret Service if this is true that the Secret Service didn't even bother to keep so much as logs of this information.
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Ita.

IF there are any logs kept, will they be revealed, though ?
Omo.
 
Betty P said:
Just curious, have any other heads of SS resigned after assassinations or attempted assassinations?

I don't believe so. After JFK's assassination, neither the director nor any of the agents were fired or asked to resign.

Timeline of Our History

Timeline of Our History 1865 The Secret Service Division was formed on July 5, 1865 as part of the Department of the Treasury. Chief William P. Wood was sworn in as the first Secret Service chief (now known as “director”) by Secretary of the Treasury Hugh McCulloch.
www.secretservice.gov www.secretservice.gov
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I will go through Zero Fail- I think I have it on my bookshelf. I can't say I memorized it, but I don't recall any resignations after Reagan was shot, etc.

On one hand, I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that she was the problem. I would like to know much more about budget, mission creep, and possible unintended poor outcomes having SS being part of Homeland Security. So if this is the end, I feel very much like this has ended prematurely.

The FBI, I imagine, is not likely to investigate the SS. They are prosecuting the crime(s) committed a week and a half ago. So, it does not comfort me that the FBI is investigating; it's entirely unrelated to security failures. It's like, if my local police were investigating a break in to my house, they'd collect clues about who the perp is, but wouldn't figure out why it was possible to kick my door in, or why my alarm company didn't respond fast enough. It's a separate concern.

On the other hand- one of the expectations of an appointed department head is that they resign or accept being asked to leave when necessary for the department. So far, her decisions have appeared very good up to now, so I'm confident her resignation at this time was a good decision.

MOO
 
Betty P said:
Just curious, have any other heads of SS resigned after assassinations or attempted assassinations?

I don't believe so. After JFK's assassination, neither the director nor any of the agents were fired or asked to resign.

Timeline of Our History

Timeline of Our History 1865 The Secret Service Division was formed on July 5, 1865 as part of the Department of the Treasury. Chief William P. Wood was sworn in as the first Secret Service chief (now known as “director”) by Secretary of the Treasury Hugh McCulloch.
www.secretservice.gov www.secretservice.gov
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I think the difference is this time there were clearly unacceptable mistakes made that almost killed the president and cost an innocent man his life. It’s never as simple as blaming one person and calling for their resignation, but when you take on the leadership of an agency like SS, you accept responsibility for the actions of everyone under you. It’s just the way it is. It’s almost never fair, but you know going in when you agree to be the head/face of a huge organization that you become liable for things that happen on your watch.
 
I am watching the hearing as it has resumed.

Mr. Correa had some interesting comments about talking to people on the ground yesterday when they toured the site of the Butler shooting.
 
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