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The assassin was using encrypted apps which the FBI cannot get into?!!!
This raises even more questions IMO.
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This raises even more questions IMO.
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These days many criminals livestream their crimes while the US SS opts to use cell phone text messaging communication between local LE and counter-snipers. Three billion dollars, people. It makes no sense!!
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There’s no conspiracy here. There was a stunning lapse in security protocol, and what happened, happened.
No one is risking their career to let a protectee die, and lots of people would have to be involved for that to take place.
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Failures occurred, and they’re absolutely embarassing .
No one is risking their career to let a protectee die, and lots of people would have to be involved for that to take place.
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Failures occurred, and they’re absolutely embarassing .
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I totally agree MassGuy.
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For $1200 you could have bought a very capable drone with a 4K pan/tilt/zoom camera, flown it up and landed on that watertower, sat there and surveiled the entire area with a million dollar view of each of the four rooftops Crooks was reported as being on top of. $1200
Or not...
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Maybe they need to hire a millenial or gen z'er as CTO, LOL. sorta not kidding. MOO.
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Well I'm a boomer and I'd have let them use my drone for free. They need to prioritize the right things, IMHO.
In my opinion, it is too early to say whether there is or isn't a conspiracy here. I'll wait for the facts to be released which could be months away.
I do feel sorry for those SS agents that did their jobs including risking their lives to do so. Whatever happened, management was responsible for not doing a better job of preventing it. Identifying risks, providing communication, etc. was managements responsibility.
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It must be very frustrating. Things like emergency measures don't pop up overnight. The planning requires the cooperation of all factions of government regardless of which administration is in power at the time. Safety procedures should be treated as a win for society not as a win for a party.
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Agreed.
Any plausible conspiracy here would have to involve this 20-year old kid as an integral part of the plot, as he was the gunman.
IMO there is no way on Earth that the SS or local LE are going to rely on this kid to show up, do his part, not slip to anyone and be willing to die to cover for the Secret Service.
Conspiracy theories abound when answers are few, in that “nature abhors a vacuum” sense.
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Iirc there were immediate suspensions while the investigation was ongoing.
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“Just an FYI, we had a younger white male, long hair, lurking around the AGR building,” a local countersniper said at 5:42 p.m., according to a time-stamped transcript of encrypted radio communications obtained by The Washington Post. “He was viewed with a range finder sighting the stage. … We lost sight of him.”
The transcript and accounts provide the clearest picture yet of the minute-by-minute hunt for Crooks, and show how he evaded police and climbed onto the roof of a nearby building undetected. Police lost track of Crooks for 20 minutes after he was seen with the range finder, the transcript shows. When he was spotted again, walking toward the area where he would gain access to the rooftop of what local police called the “AGR building,” an officer mischaracterized where he was headed, directing his colleagues to the wrong side of the building.
The transcript and accounts provide the clearest picture yet of the minute-by-minute hunt for Crooks, and show how he evaded police and climbed onto the roof of a nearby building undetected. Police lost track of Crooks for 20 minutes after he was seen with the range finder, the transcript shows. When he was spotted again, walking toward the area where he would gain access to the rooftop of what local police called the “AGR building,” an officer mischaracterized where he was headed, directing his colleagues to the wrong side of the building.
Congress needs to hear from the Commander of the Unified Command Post in Butler at President Trump's rally. If there was a Commander. If there was a Unified Command Post.
This failure of the SS is more than an embarrassment, it is a complete and total failure of the mission of the SS thats exist only to protect our leaders. A life was taken, two lives were forever altered in debiltiating ways, and the 45th President of the United States and candidate for the next president of the United States barely missed assassination.
Thank goodness for the Congressional oversight committees that are doing their job for the American people. The Secret Service clearly can not investigate itself.
This failure of the SS is more than an embarrassment, it is a complete and total failure of the mission of the SS thats exist only to protect our leaders. A life was taken, two lives were forever altered in debiltiating ways, and the 45th President of the United States and candidate for the next president of the United States barely missed assassination.
Thank goodness for the Congressional oversight committees that are doing their job for the American people. The Secret Service clearly can not investigate itself.
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After trying to lay blame on local LE and looking ahead at what they have to cover at events and rallies i think they knew they had to take the heat for their mistakes because too many ppl had the video evidence and ppl that spoke out about what they saw.
Local LE at the future events that SS has to cover may not want to work with them if this is the way SS operates.
Jmo
Local LE at the future events that SS has to cover may not want to work with them if this is the way SS operates.
Jmo
For today's indoor campaign rally in Georgia, items on prohibited list. I wonder if there are other items that they would add to an outdoor rally now, after Butler. I guess we'll find out at the next outdoor rally if they have any additonal items or changes.
Prohibited Items List• Aerosols
• Alcoholic beverages
• Balloons
• Balls
• Banners, signs, placards
• Drones and other unmanned aircraft systems
• E-Cigarettes
• Explosives of any kind (including fireworks)
• Firearms
• Glass, thermal and metal containers
• Laser lights and laser pointers
• Mace and/or pepper spray
• Noisemakers, such as air horns, whistles, drums, bullhorns, etc.
• Packages
• Spray containers
• Structures
• Supports for signs/placards
• Weapons
• And any other items that may pose a threat to the security of the event as determined by and at the discretion of the security screeners.
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The FBI is apparently working with Israeli tech experts to gain access to the encrypted apps and/or emails.
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As someone who is multigenerational local LE I was extremely offended by that. You can't put it on local LE to defend against a Iranian assassination plot to kill a current or former President. That's just so far out of scope and training, that regardless of how good local LE is at being local LE you can't put that on their shoulders.
They on one hand told local LE to deal with that section, but on the other hand they threw local LE under the bus for dealing with that section. I'm specifically referring to the sniper briefly leaving their position - while it was still occupied by another sniper - because the Suspicious Person wasn't being tracked and other local LE in that section hadn't seen that person, so the one who spotted him tried to find him to re-acquire the Suspicious Person. The local LE were trying to protect the section and it's not like the USSS said they'd dispatch an agent there, which they apparently distinctly wouldn't send an agent to investigate in that section. Local LE dealt with the situation as they saw fit since the USSS wouldn't deal with, so the USSS has no business criticizing local LE for trying to proactively deal with the situation that USSS forced them to deal with alone.
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ATM, the biggest semi-conspiracy (or simple mystery) might lie in what the US SS is doing with it's $3 billion. All play and no work makes the high-ranking overseeing US SS officers a failure... seems the focus of the money may be spent on all the wrong people and their questionable mindsets.
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