GUILTY PA - Ellen Robb, 49, beaten to death, Montgomery County, 22 Dec 2006
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I am also concerned about Olivia. I don't think she should be in that home with him. She has talked to investigators and given them evidence. What's to prevent Dad from killing her and then killing himself?
Olivia needs to be with relatives or friends, IMO.
I am very afraid for her as well. I wish she hadn't wanted to go back to her father. I wonder if she is having second thoughts now; I am sure she must be and probably doesn't know what to do. Do you know them well enough to give her a call? Just to ask if there is anything she needs?Hedidit said:
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Thanks Lisa for that link to the warrant. WOW, if we always had such a document to look at. Amazing all the info that it held.
I thought it was interesting that LE thought it odd he bent down to touch her face when he found her dead.
And Strach, I could see him using a weapon like a golf club for the force of it, but if he used the normal end where the club usually hit the ball, whether a wood or an iron, I don't think it would leave a mark that looked small and cylindrical. He could have also turned the club around and held it by the wood end and taken wide swift swings at her face. Many of the swings I guess were made to her face as she was lying on the floor face up. The blows were so hard they crushed two of her fingers and took the plastic tip of a marker pen right off the pen.
What it sounds like to me is they were very hard blows. The longer the swing before the hit I think the harder the blow because of inertia. Her head was so demolished she lookied like an 'it'. It is so hard to imagine. Blood spattered on the floor, ceiling and all 4 walls of the kitchen.
He didn't care about anything except brutalizing her to nothing, as when he walked to the garage, he held something that was dripping blood and didn't even notice it. He tracked blood everywhere in the house, upstairs and down, and guess he figured as long as he got rid of the boots, bloody clothes and the weapon he would be safe.
Hope they did that luminol test in the trunk of his car. I bet they know exactly what he did. He had to have spatter on his face and head. He took her really quick in a blitz, so I doubt at first she knew who was hitting her. Oh, I hope she died quickly, to think of the pain is almost too much.
It really pi**es me off he slammed her two fingers hard enough to crush them so she couldn't defend herself.
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I thought it was interesting that LE thought it odd he bent down to touch her face when he found her dead.
And Strach, I could see him using a weapon like a golf club for the force of it, but if he used the normal end where the club usually hit the ball, whether a wood or an iron, I don't think it would leave a mark that looked small and cylindrical. He could have also turned the club around and held it by the wood end and taken wide swift swings at her face. Many of the swings I guess were made to her face as she was lying on the floor face up. The blows were so hard they crushed two of her fingers and took the plastic tip of a marker pen right off the pen.
What it sounds like to me is they were very hard blows. The longer the swing before the hit I think the harder the blow because of inertia. Her head was so demolished she lookied like an 'it'. It is so hard to imagine. Blood spattered on the floor, ceiling and all 4 walls of the kitchen.
He didn't care about anything except brutalizing her to nothing, as when he walked to the garage, he held something that was dripping blood and didn't even notice it. He tracked blood everywhere in the house, upstairs and down, and guess he figured as long as he got rid of the boots, bloody clothes and the weapon he would be safe.
Hope they did that luminol test in the trunk of his car. I bet they know exactly what he did. He had to have spatter on his face and head. He took her really quick in a blitz, so I doubt at first she knew who was hitting her. Oh, I hope she died quickly, to think of the pain is almost too much.
It really pi**es me off he slammed her two fingers hard enough to crush them so she couldn't defend herself.
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I could not believe what I was seeing....I had to watch it twice.lisafremont said:
I can't believe how disrespectful that was on his part. Why was he even a pallbearer? He could not put down his beverage for two freaking minutes???? Everyone else is nicely dressed and solemn. He looks as though he is going to a sporting event and is already thinking about the game.
I know that when a child loses one parent they will cling to the surviving parent, no matter what the circumstances....However, Olivia (I love that name) needs to be with her Mom's family at this point. My heart breaks for her. Make sure her dog goes with her for well-being. It's important.
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University of Pennsylvania's just having a bad run with professors up to no good. Now we've got Dr. Robb, but before, there was:
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- Tracy McIntosh -- U Penn prof who was bringing in HUGE research grants for the University.
- Speciality: studied stem cell use in repairing damage to brain and nerve tissues. Work could help stroke victims everywhere.
- Known as a sexual harasser at the school, his infractions were apparently always dealt with on the sly.
- Judge Rayford Means handed down the following sentence: 11½ to 23 months of house arrest, 12 years probation, a $20,000 fine and an order to pay another $20,000 toward psychological counseling for the victim.
- McIntosh was even going to be permitted to travel to Italy.
- Superior Court in PA in November ordered a new sentence
- Lawrence Scott Ward -- U Penn Professor Emeritus, taught at Wharton Business School
- Age 63. Arrested in 1999 for soliciting someone he thought was a 15-yr-old boy
- Flagged as a sex tourist in Fall, 2006, after returning from Brazil. Visited there and places like Thailand -- known destinations in the sex tourism/worldwide pedophilia trade.
- Arrested for possessing child *advertiser censored* showing himself with a boy of 14 or 15 years of age. Some of the material he had was found in his offices at the University.
- "Groomed," manipulated and exploited his young victims.
Steve
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Thats amazing Steve.
I started my Frosh year at college in the fall of 1962. On Spring break I brought home a friend I had met named Clark Robb. He was in the ROTC program at the U of Penn, and was somehow stationed at Fort Lewis near Tacoma.
He went sailing with my Dad early Sunday morning on Lake Oswego in our little Sunfish 10 foot sailboat. A wind came up on the lake, and as they were tacking right by our property, the boat overturned and he sank down and was drowned. He wouldn't wear a lifebelt.
Anyway, that was years ago and it was very sad. I've often wondered if this Mr Robb was related to Clark, as I think he was Jewish. He'd be 65 maybe, 3 or so years older than me.
I'm sure there is no way to find out, but I did see a bit of Penn as we flew back for the funeral. Scandi
I started my Frosh year at college in the fall of 1962. On Spring break I brought home a friend I had met named Clark Robb. He was in the ROTC program at the U of Penn, and was somehow stationed at Fort Lewis near Tacoma.
He went sailing with my Dad early Sunday morning on Lake Oswego in our little Sunfish 10 foot sailboat. A wind came up on the lake, and as they were tacking right by our property, the boat overturned and he sank down and was drowned. He wouldn't wear a lifebelt.
Anyway, that was years ago and it was very sad. I've often wondered if this Mr Robb was related to Clark, as I think he was Jewish. He'd be 65 maybe, 3 or so years older than me.
I'm sure there is no way to find out, but I did see a bit of Penn as we flew back for the funeral. Scandi
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Scandi said: "I thought it was interesting that LE thought it odd he bent down to touch her face when he found her dead."
I think it was telling, Scandi, because her face was OBLITERATED. They thought she had been blasted with a shotgun. AND rigor mortis had set in and she was cold.
Knowing those facts and then learning that he touched her face--- what does it make a reasonable person think? If, God forbid, you were to find a loved one in similar condition would you touch her face? (Wrist for a pulse maybe.)
HINKY METER: whoooop whoooop whooooop!
I think it was telling, Scandi, because her face was OBLITERATED. They thought she had been blasted with a shotgun. AND rigor mortis had set in and she was cold.
Knowing those facts and then learning that he touched her face--- what does it make a reasonable person think? If, God forbid, you were to find a loved one in similar condition would you touch her face? (Wrist for a pulse maybe.)
HINKY METER: whoooop whoooop whooooop!
I shook hands with him at the funeral and we talked about our daughters' choir concert which had taken place just days before at the school. Our kids go back to Kindergarten together, and I have seen him several times over the years, usually at school. At the Thursday night funeral home reception, I decided I would at least be civil - after all, nothing has been proven yet. I shook his hand and expressed my regrets for this dreadful tragedy. I even said I appreciated what a difficult a time this must be for him. He squeezed my hand really tightly, as he did each time he has shaken hands with me. One of my friends even hugged him, and she said he then cried. I so hoped he was innocent - for his daughter's sake. But when I realized that Ellen's plans to move out were so imminent, and that she had discussed what her husband would be paying her monthly, I started to recognize the fury of a husband who does not want to pay alimony/child support - I've been there. Now I feel sick to my stomach.
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I watched the funeral video (without sound as mine is broken 
). That had to be the saddest thing I have ever seen. He looked like a bum. Drink in hand. Almost looked to be like he was staggering too. What a freakin :loser: :furious: .
). That had to be the saddest thing I have ever seen. He looked like a bum. Drink in hand. Almost looked to be like he was staggering too. What a freakin :loser: :furious: .What is it with murdering husbands, that they are all of a sudden compelled to wear baseball caps? Maybe he had another squeeze too.
I thought about what he "claimed" he did after finding his wife's body, sometimes there is a little truth hidden in there.
Since it seems he kept his room locked, maybe he had fashioned some kind of hiding place in the wall or floor for not only his clothes, but the murder weapon. I hope LE looked long and hard in that room.
I thought about what he "claimed" he did after finding his wife's body, sometimes there is a little truth hidden in there.
Since it seems he kept his room locked, maybe he had fashioned some kind of hiding place in the wall or floor for not only his clothes, but the murder weapon. I hope LE looked long and hard in that room.
I think that he is toast.. sorry probably a crude way to put it but there is no doubt after reading the DA's report and the funeral footage that he is 100% guilty of committing this murder.
1. What burgler so completely destroys a victims face.. they have no personal interest in the depersonalization of the victim as was inflicted by the repeated blows strictly to her face.
2. What burgler would leave the victim to head into the garage? If you were there to burglerize the home, the garage would be the last place you would start...
3. What burgler is so tidy as to close the door behind them after they leave the home? or to place the dog in the upstairs bedroom..the dog must have been there before the attack or after the trip to the garage since the blood trail did not lead directly upstairs. also there is no blood on the dog or trail of bloody paw prints so the dog was locked up prior to the attack. Why would Ellen lock up the dog if she were gift wrapping downstairs.. makes no sense.
4. What burgler selects a home that is visably occupied ? Usually they selct the one with least visability from the street and easiest to get in and out as fast as possible.. unless their motive is not burglerize the home... and since there was no sexual assault the motive was not rape either...
5. It is unlikely the presents would still have been in the home if burglery was the motive.. easy to remove as they are already sitting in pile..
6. What person upon finding the body of their spouse so incredibly victimized takes there time moving about the house, as if it is a normal arrival at home after work? Most people would not touch the most seriously injured portion of the victim but instead feel for a pulse onthe wrist. Most would at this point back out of the home and call fromthe car or neighbors house to report the crime rather thern further comprimise the crime scene.. but not Dr Robb.
I do wonder what will happen if he feels threatened or cornered in anyway? I do hope that the DA and LE are very careful in the way they address this as the case proceeds since the daughter is at significant risk. I suspect as others have stated that this is a man would will act upon self preservation at all costs.. he has not yet made any sacrifices or consideratley for the child or her best interests.. if push comes to shove I suspect he will take whats means are necessary to protect his own interests.
1. What burgler so completely destroys a victims face.. they have no personal interest in the depersonalization of the victim as was inflicted by the repeated blows strictly to her face.
2. What burgler would leave the victim to head into the garage? If you were there to burglerize the home, the garage would be the last place you would start...
3. What burgler is so tidy as to close the door behind them after they leave the home? or to place the dog in the upstairs bedroom..the dog must have been there before the attack or after the trip to the garage since the blood trail did not lead directly upstairs. also there is no blood on the dog or trail of bloody paw prints so the dog was locked up prior to the attack. Why would Ellen lock up the dog if she were gift wrapping downstairs.. makes no sense.
4. What burgler selects a home that is visably occupied ? Usually they selct the one with least visability from the street and easiest to get in and out as fast as possible.. unless their motive is not burglerize the home... and since there was no sexual assault the motive was not rape either...
5. It is unlikely the presents would still have been in the home if burglery was the motive.. easy to remove as they are already sitting in pile..
6. What person upon finding the body of their spouse so incredibly victimized takes there time moving about the house, as if it is a normal arrival at home after work? Most people would not touch the most seriously injured portion of the victim but instead feel for a pulse onthe wrist. Most would at this point back out of the home and call fromthe car or neighbors house to report the crime rather thern further comprimise the crime scene.. but not Dr Robb.
I do wonder what will happen if he feels threatened or cornered in anyway? I do hope that the DA and LE are very careful in the way they address this as the case proceeds since the daughter is at significant risk. I suspect as others have stated that this is a man would will act upon self preservation at all costs.. he has not yet made any sacrifices or consideratley for the child or her best interests.. if push comes to shove I suspect he will take whats means are necessary to protect his own interests.
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scandi said:
Oh, Scandi, what a sad, sad story. I am so sorry about your friend.