PA PA - Fort Indiantown Gap, WhtFem 12-20, 609UFPA, extensive dental work, covered w/ plastic, Oct'73

[John/Jane Doe]

Could someone post the list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe?

 

[Caring1]

Could someone post the list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe?

2 Missing Person Exclusions

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55699Victoria Bowers
Date of Last ContactMay 30, 1973
StateFL
CountyVolusia

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55832Patricia Wagner
Date of Last ContactOctober 20, 1972
StateNJ
CountyHudson

 

[chaddylex]

Jan Cotta was just added as a rule out/exclusion on 7/6/2023

This Jane Doe now has 3 rule outs listed

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Missing Person / NamUs
#MP5978Jan Cotta
Date of Last Contact June 26, 1973
State NJ
County Monmouth

Missing Person / NamUs
#MP55699Victoria Bowers
Date of Last Contact May 30, 1973
State FL
County Volusia

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55832Patricia Wagner
Date of Last Contact October 20, 1972
State NJ
County Hudson

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Robin Ann Graham could be a possibility?

980DFCA - Robin Ann Graham

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[chaddylex]

Robin Ann Graham could be a possibility?

980DFCA - Robin Ann Graham

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

I can see the possibility between the two, and although I don't ever like to say no because of the distance between the two. Robin went missing from Los Angeles CA and the Jane Doe was found in Jonestown PA - 2,664 miles between Los Angeles and Jonestown - across the US.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I can see the possibility between the two, and although I don't ever like to say no because of the distance between the two. Robin went missing from Los Angeles CA and the Jane Doe was found in Jonestown PA - 2,664 miles between Los Angeles and Jonestown - across the US.

Personally, I think it could be a possibility since the physical descriptions of both seem to match. Also, Robin disappeared 3 years before the discovery of the Jane Doe, so she could have gone to Pennsylvania during that period of time.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Wonder if Mary Fiano could be a match. She was last seen in WV, but Pennsylvania police are investigating? Seems like she may have gone to PA?

	Lebanon County Jane Doe UP12689	Mary Patricia Fiano MP32948
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	12 - 19	22
Height	5'5 - 5'8 (DN)	5'5
Weight	Unknown	Unknown
Hair Color	Long light brown to strawberry blonde	Shoulder-length brown
Eye Color	Unknown	Hazel
DLC/DOD	1 to 3 weeks prior	June 1973
Distinctive Features	Thin nose with the bridge swayed slightly left and the tip to the right; high forehead; strong, tilted chin	Unknown/None
Circumstances	Decomposing remains found in PA.	Exact date of disappearance unclear.
Distance	Morganstown/Fairmont - Jonestown	237 - 252 miles

 

[CCJD]

Wonder if Mary Fiano could be a match. She was last seen in WV, but Pennsylvania police are investigating? Seems like she may have gone to PA?

RSBM

PSP Trooper Nathan Trate is the contact for both UID and Mary. IMO, however he got Mary's info, he's already looking into this - or already has. I'd bet it was he who entered Mary into NamUs.

Same sort of thing with Rosemarie Roginski. Misssing from Ambridge - clear across the state but contact is Nathan Trate.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[chaddylex]

Another exclusion was added today, 7/31/23- Sandra Hopler

This Jane Doe now has 4 rule outs/exclusions listed on NamUs

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP8897
Sandra Hopler
Date of Last Contact
September 29, 1973
State
PA
County
Lackawanna

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP5978
Jan Cotta
Date of Last Contact
June 26, 1973
State NJ
County Monmouth

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55699
Victoria Bowers
Date of Last Contact
May 30, 1973
State FL
County Volusia

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP55832
Patricia Wagner
Date of Last Contact
October 20, 1972
State NJ
County Hudson

 

[SimsGuy67]

Another exclusion was added today, 7/31/23- Sandra Hopler

This Jane Doe now has 4 rule outs/exclusions listed on NamUs

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP8897
Sandra Hopler
Date of Last Contact
September 29, 1973
State
PA
County
Lackawanna

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP5978
Jan Cotta
Date of Last Contact
June 26, 1973
State NJ
County Monmouth

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55699
Victoria Bowers
Date of Last Contact
May 30, 1973
State FL
County Volusia

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP55832
Patricia Wagner
Date of Last Contact
October 20, 1972
State NJ
County Hudson

Good thing they're adding exclusions. Sandra was actually one the cases I looked into regarding this Doe.

 

[HmmMysterious]

Another exclusion was added today, 7/31/23- Sandra Hopler

This Jane Doe now has 4 rule outs/exclusions listed on NamUs

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP8897
Sandra Hopler
Date of Last Contact
September 29, 1973
State
PA
County
Lackawanna

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP5978
Jan Cotta
Date of Last Contact
June 26, 1973
State NJ
County Monmouth

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55699
Victoria Bowers
Date of Last Contact
May 30, 1973
State FL
County Volusia

Missing Person /
NamUs #MP55832
Patricia Wagner
Date of Last Contact
October 20, 1972
State NJ
County Hudson

Wow finally after so many years

 

[theshadow45]

Jonestown Jane Doe has been unidentified for 50 years today.

 

[chaddylex]

Another exclusion/rule out was added on 1/13/24
Sharon Pretorius

Missing Person / NamUs #MP7424 Sharon Pretorius
Date of Last Contact September 28, 1973
State OH
County Montgomery

Missing Person / NamUs #MP8897 Sandra Hopler
Date of Last Contact September 29, 1973
State PA
County Lackawanna

Missing Person / NamUs #MP5978 Jan Cotta
Date of Last Contact June 26, 1973
State NJ
County Monmouth

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55699 Victoria Bowers
Date of Last Contact May 30, 1973
State FL
County Volusia

Missing Person / NamUs #MP55832 Patricia Wagner
Date of Last Contact October 20, 1972
State NJ
County Hudson

 

[SimsGuy67]

Wonder if Mary Fiano could be a match. She was last seen in WV, but Pennsylvania police are investigating? Seems like she may have gone to PA?

	Lebanon County Jane Doe UP12689	Mary Patricia Fiano MP32948
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	12 - 19	22
Height	5'5 - 5'8 (DN)	5'5
Weight	Unknown	Unknown
Hair Color	Long light brown to strawberry blonde	Shoulder-length brown
Eye Color	Unknown	Hazel
DLC/DOD	1 to 3 weeks prior	June 1973
Distinctive Features	Thin nose with the bridge swayed slightly left and the tip to the right; high forehead; strong, tilted chin	Unknown/None
Circumstances	Decomposing remains found in PA.	Exact date of disappearance unclear.
Distance	Morganstown/Fairmont - Jonestown	237 - 252 miles

Even if this has been looked into, we'll never know unless someone submits it, so I will. I think they look very similar.

 

[chaddylex]

Even if this has been looked into, we'll never know unless someone submits it, so I will. I think they look very similar.

Yes, please submit it.

 

[CCJD]

Even if this has been looked into, we'll never know unless someone submits it, so I will. I think they look very similar.

The PSP contact is the same trooper for both Mary and the UID.

 

[SimsGuy67]

The PSP contact is the same trooper for both Mary and the UID.

I submitted to Doe Network, and even if it's the same trooper, I really can't trust LE with all my heart, as I've seen them miss likely matches in the past.

Also, if this has been looked into, then why isn't Mary on the rule-out list?

 

[Alleykins]

I submitted to Doe Network, and even if it's the same trooper, I really can't trust LE with all my heart, as I've seen them miss likely matches in the past.

Also, if this has been looked into, then why isn't Mary on the rule-out list?

Last I knew, if it's an automatic comparison through CODIS, and it's not a match, then it won't appear on the rule out list. So if each has DNA profiles in the system, and they don't match, they won't appear on rule out lists. Only manual comparisons are listed, like fingerprints or dental records. I think there are rare exceptions, like when they get inundated with the same potential matches.
The NamUs rep said they didn't put auto rule outs on the rule out list because of the sheer volume of cases that are compared. They'd never be able to update every case with every rule out by default.
Of course, this may have changed or may change, as I don't think UNT is working NamUs anymore.

 

[Caring1]

Bump

 

[SimsGuy67]

I submitted to Doe Network, and even if it's the same trooper, I really can't trust LE with all my heart, as I've seen them miss likely matches in the past.

Also, if this has been looked into, then why isn't Mary on the rule-out list?

Forgot about updating on this. Doe Network voted no due to dental age being off, which honestly worries me. Very recently, Marcia Thomas was identified and her dental age was way off.

Also, Doe Network voted no on ONLY dental age, no other factors were taken into account. Or at the very least, they listed no other reasons.