PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #3

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Are we sure MR wasn't living with CP or vice versa, or at least that P might have been staying at MR's? That might explain taking the car.
 
cluciano63 said:
Are we sure MR wasn't living with CP or vice versa, or at least that P might have been staying at MR's? That might explain taking the car.
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MR lives with his father and CP has a different address, so don't think so.
 
I couldn't have been happier than to check in at the end of the weekend and see that I had a ton of catching up to do. Some great thoughts and questions out there.

3 big strikes against TS as I see it. 1. Past history with Kortne, including the history that went on earlier that evening. 2. LIES!!!!!!! Sorry, but IMO, lying earns you a place in the spotlight. I don't care if it's just to the media or not, it's still a lie and the subject matter of the lie only makes it worse for TS. 3. Not answering the door for LE the second time. Lawyering up and not talking to the media anymore don't bother me.

The problem I have is that most of the players have 3 strikes at least.
 
cluciano63 said:
Are we sure MR wasn't living with CP or vice versa, or at least that P might have been staying at MR's? That might explain taking the car.
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No, they don't live together.

There is no explanation for CP taking the car.

If CP and MR's stories turn out to be completely true, I will eat my hand.
 
The early statement from Kortne's mom or dad about having a male friend with her that evening to feel protected always struck me as a bit odd. The whole "owing" money to someone certainly sheds some light on that statement and gives it some sense.

I also noted that the language of the text from CP to Kortne changed a bit, at least in how it is reported. I'm not sure it means a single thing either way, but for whatever reason "What HAPPENED to you?" always struck me as off.
 
AndreaBingham said:
No, they don't live together.

There is no explanation for CP taking the car.

If CP and MR's stories turn out to be completely true, I will eat my hand.
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It's just that the stories are so dumb, if made-up or embellished. Almost too unbelievable to be invented. Not hearing LE, not seeing her in the apartment but leaving anyway, taking MR's car, etc...I don't know what to think.
 
AndreaBingham said:

Everything I'm about to write is speculation on people we are allowed to sleuth or available through MSM or other public source.

I do not believe this story either, based on:

1. MR maybe, probably, in theory, has a serious attachment to his car and an aversion to allowing others to drive it.
2. CP had been in a very serious accident. He is the last person you would trust to drive your car.
3. MR maybe, probably, in theory, in my speculation, could have had sexual relations with KS in the past. . .and who lets their best friend go home with a hot girl who used to let them hit it, bro?
4. Nobody drops the owner of the car off at their house first and then proceeds to go somewhere else with the car, particularly if that place is just down the road.
5. LE searched MR's car and HIS HOUSE, which would lead one to believe they don't believe his story either.
6. MR's constant use of the word "we" in defiantly proclaiming "our innocence" and how "we didn't do anything".


So until information surfaces telling me otherwise, I say that anything CP did that night, MR did with him.
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Excellent points. You're spot on if there was a previous sexual relationship.


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At this point, I still feel the answers most likely lie with those who were there that night. There is just way too many question marks to me with both CP and TS for me to differentiate between the 2. I do think if its a person owed money that's involved, CP, whether directly involved or not, would likely still hold the answers.
 
Didn't Kortne's mom report that her car was there when she checked on Kortne on that Monday? Or did we always assume the care was at her place? Assuming it was, in fact, back at her place, I would really like to know how it got there.
 
cluciano63 said:
Are we sure MR wasn't living with CP or vice versa, or at least that P might have been staying at MR's? That might explain taking the car.
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According to a published report (I believe it was LDNEWS, definitely a local publication) about CP's recent traffic incident, he lists an address - published - that turns out to be a motel/storage facility near the racetrack.


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cluciano63 said:
It's just that the stories are so dumb, if made-up or embellished. Almost too unbelievable to be invented. Not hearing LE, not seeing her in the apartment but leaving anyway, taking MR's car, etc...I don't know what to think.
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I agree with that. If it weren't tragic, it could be Dumb & Dumber


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The Hardware Bar insists there was no trouble involving Kortne that night. If there was any kind if big time crap happening someone would have noticed, IMO

And if Kortne was actual in fear of someone who wanted to collect a debt, why go out & find them?

I've said before and I'll say it again - IF there was any kind if drug sales, I believe it was likely small time sell to friends stuff.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I know a couple of people like that.


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JurysOut said:
The Hardware Bar insists there was no trouble involving Kortne that night.

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do we have a source for this? or is it hearsay? apparently MR and JL both confirmed in media interviews that there was an altercation and she either left or was asked to leave by bouncers.

the father does not deny that KS was thrown out of the bar.

"On that night in Harrisburg, for example, when Kortne argued with a young man and his girlfriend, she was thrown out of the bar. Stouffer said Kortne knew the man, but he doesn't know the source of the dispute."
 
reedus23 said:
I couldn't have been happier than to check in at the end of the weekend and see that I had a ton of catching up to do. Some great thoughts and questions out there.

3 big strikes against TS as I see it. 1. Past history with Kortne, including the history that went on earlier that evening. 2. LIES!!!!!!! Sorry, but IMO, lying earns you a place in the spotlight. I don't care if it's just to the media or not, it's still a lie and the subject matter of the lie only makes it worse for TS. 3. Not answering the door for LE the second time. Lawyering up and not talking to the media anymore don't bother me.

The problem I have is that most of the players have 3 strikes at least.
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what other past history is there besides that Sat eve/Sunday morning? can you provide a link?
there are plenty of people lying to the media in this case. luckily it takes more than that to convict for a capital offense.
the police have not commented for the record whether or not they knocked on his door or whether he answered.
 
nervous_nellie said:
thats what im rolling around in my mind... was it possible that cp and ks were going to go somewhere for some reason and they were taking mr's car for some reason - like cp may not of had as much to drink or they needed to take mr's car for some other reason?

the dropping the owner of the car off and not leaving his car with him and walking a block doesnt make any sense to me... there has to be a reason imo. maybe nothing sinister but it niggles at me...lol

maybe they didnt answer the door because they were not there?
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this is a strange data point. the only thing I can come up with is MR was too drunk to even drive his own car back to his house after dropping them off.
 
evergreen said:
do we have a source for this? or is it hearsay? apparently MR and JL both confirmed in media interviews that there was an altercation and she either left or was asked to leave by bouncers.

the father does not deny that KS was thrown out of the bar.

"On that night in Harrisburg, for example, when Kortne argued with a young man and his girlfriend, she was thrown out of the bar. Stouffer said Kortne knew the man, but he doesn't know the source of the dispute."
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Not hearsay -- it was reported in MSM that a reporter spoke with the Hardware Bar directly and was told no one was kicked out that night. This has been cited earlier in the thread, which you should be able to find. On iPad, so can't link, plus don't have the time to track it down.
 
AndreaBingham said:
No, not really. I have not heard even a rumor regarding who she was fighting with at the bar. (And I am pretty close to those that were at the bar with her. . .so I don't know why I have not heard about this. I suspect the bar fight may not have happened in the first place.) But I think this particular rumor has the same credibility level as the rumor that KS was spotted in a cage by the creek.

The reality is that KS and her boyfriend maybe, possibly, likely, probably, in theory, sold some drugs. BUT that does not mean that they were big time drug lords with deep, dark secrets and big, bad people after them. The drug part of this case has been grossly exaggerated, in my opinion.

If you ask me, the chances that CP disappeared KS are 80%, the neighbor 15%, and "other" (drug dealer,rapist, etc.) are 5%.
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Did CP take a poly?
I know he gave his dna!
 
evergreen said:
do we have a source for this? or is it hearsay? apparently MR and JL both confirmed in media interviews that there was an altercation and she either left or was asked to leave by bouncers.

the father does not deny that KS was thrown out of the bar.

"On that night in Harrisburg, for example, when Kortne argued with a young man and his girlfriend, she was thrown out of the bar. Stouffer said Kortne knew the man, but he doesn't know the source of the dispute."
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I'm thinking the Hardware Bar may just not want the bad publicity?? Lot's of things have happened in and around that area since the night clubs were put downtown.
 
Annie1004 said:
Not hearsay -- it was reported in MSM that a reporter spoke with the Hardware Bar directly and was told no one was kicked out that night. This has been cited earlier in the thread, which you should be able to find. On iPad, so can't link, plus don't have the time to track it down.
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thanks. couldn't find it. could someone provide a link? with a recent article quoting father not denying the incident, this may come up again unless it can be sourced in the media.
 
bjwels said:
Ding ding ding!!! That has been my question all along! If MR lived so close...why bother dropping him off? Why didn't he drop them off..if it was so close? I'm not convinced anyone slept that night...
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Well maybe MR didnt know CP was going to stay with KS.
Maybe He didnt feel like driving CP home (how far away does cp live).
Told him to drop him off take kourt home (maybe other were with them) and come back in the am....
after dropping MR off she say why dont ya stay at my place!


I feel there are alot of missing pieces!
 
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