Identified! PA - Philadelphia, 'Boy in the Box', WhtMale 4-6, 4UMPA, Feb'57

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There was another lead also to Remington Bristow the medical examiners office in 1963.An Anonymous letter?phone call? was written to him about a family in Pottstown that a father was charged several times with neglect.Does anyone know more on this story or who these people were.

I'm confused about this article.It says in David stouts book.There was a letter in 1984 about a man who was charged several times with Neglect.I don't know if this lead came up a few times or not.I'm researching this now.I do think this is one of my top 3 leads that should be looked into.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...+found+in+february+1957+in+philadelphia&hl=en
 
Has anyone heard any new updates on this little boy in the box. Are they doing anything at all? Are they doing the isotope testing on him.
 
Does anyone know why the police at first thought that the child might have been an inmate of a shelter for the mentally retarded children?
 
Does anyone know why the police at first thought that the child might have been an inmate of a shelter for the mentally retarded children?

The Vidocq society has a lot of links to news accounts and reports. Iirc, the possibility he was from a shelter was because his haircut resembled institutional haircuts of the day.

Here are some links from the Vidocq Society website: http://americasunknownchild.net/
 
The Vidocq society has a lot of links to news accounts and reports. Iirc, the possibility he was from a shelter was because his haircut resembled institutional haircuts of the day.

Here are some links from the Vidocq Society website: http://americasunknownchild.net/

I read a book, probably 2-3 years ago, about the Vidocq Society. IMOO, if they can't solve it, no one can. I hope I'm wrong.
Wish I could remember the name but it eludes me now. A very good read for sleuthers.
 
The Vidocq society has a lot of links to news accounts and reports. Iirc, the possibility he was from a shelter was because his haircut resembled institutional haircuts of the day.

Here are some links from the Vidocq Society website: http://americasunknownchild.net/

Thank You.I know about these links.I think his haircut looks like he came from an institution too and I feel very strongly he did in fact come from one and died in one.

I just did not know why they thought this little one was mentally retarded.I look at his pictures and he does not look retarded to me.But I guess he could have had Autism,Hyperactivity ADD or borderline retardation.I don't know.
 
I just don't know which institution he was in or what county.A orphanage or a Foster home or a children's Home or a mental home or home for retarded children.I have not looked into homes for retarded children's because I felt he was from an orphanage.

I am looking closer at Mental homes or homes for retarded children now.Does any one know of any more that were around in 1957?

I found this.This video really really bothered me.Little Johnny does not sound like he belongs there to me or anything is wrong with him.My heart really went out to him.The Drs a jerk.When They asked the older boy who he wanted to visit him.He said God.I cried.It's very sad things like this happened and to little kids too.I can see very clearly how a place like this could have covered up this little boy in the box's death or some place like it.

Suffer The Little Children, Pennhurst State Home

http://video.wonderfulclip.com/?w=Y...-home-eugenics--social-services--pennsylvania
 
Can someone please re investigate this little boy in the box's case again.He deserves so much better than this.This is so sad.He deserves his real name on his little grave.He deserved it a long time ago.Please someone look into his case again.
 
May I please ask if anyone has gotten a hold of any one and what the status of this little ones case is? I hope other people are looking into his case again.
 
If we can please just help keep him bumped up or maybe this little one can get a forum here or something to help find out who he is.This really bothers me alot.This is so sad.It really does look like NO ONE is doing anything at all to find out who is is.No checking orphanages,DHS or court records anywhere in Philadelphia and the surrounding counties.No isotope testing ect...If I knew how to do all this checking I would for him.But I don't know what I'm doing.If someone new can re investigate his case with fresh eyes(Maybe a few different people)and NOT give up on him.I know we can find out who this little one is.I believe in the saying very strongly That you never fail until you quit trying.I It looks like people just quit trying.Why isn't anyone looking into who he is any more?
 
Has anyone ever investigated this case as a lead. Same state, same time frame ....startling resemblance.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8011

discovered October 9, 1958, in a wooded area approximately 1/2 mile North of the Pennsylvania Turnpike's Midway Service Plazas, Bedford Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Extensive camping equipment, personal supplies, high powered rifle and ammunition also found nearby. Most of the camping equipment appears to be newer and shows little or no indication of use; also, though apparently well equipped for camping, investigators found no eating utensils (silverware) or food supplies. One science-related and two poetry books found with the camping equipment suggests the victim may have benefited from higher education, or to have been a serious student of poetry or literature.*Initial investigators felt certain the victim was not native to Bedford County, Pennsylvania.*In 1958, investigators determined the rifle to have been shipped from the manufacturer to a store in Fort Wayne, Indiana. No further tracing of the rifle's ownership could be effected.*Anecdotal information may connect this victim to the state of Kentucky: Prior to the victim's discovery, in September 1957, local police in Bedford Borough encountered a loitering man in possession of a rifle; this unidentified man said he was enroute from Kentucky to Canada.*Anthropologic examinations conducted in 1959 and again in 2003 revealed the victim to have been an adult male of European ancestry, likely between the ages of 30-35 with a living stature of about 6'4" (+/- 2").*The death cannot be classified as natural.*GPS data is approximate.*There is no ME/C case number. The Pennsylvania State Police incident number is 2-C-3-55.*Inquiries, please contact:*Pennsylvania State Police, Attn: Criminal Investigation Unit, 171 Arthur L. Hershey Drive, Bedford, PA 15522, telephone 814-623-6133,***OR ***Pennsylvania State Police, Troop G Headquarters, Attn: Criminal Investigation Assessment Unit, 1510 North Juniata Street, Hollidaysburg, PA 16648, telephone 814-693-6100.
 

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Has anyone ever investigated this case as a lead. Same state, same time frame ....startling resemblance.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8011

discovered October 9, 1958, in a wooded area approximately 1/2 mile North of the Pennsylvania Turnpike's Midway Service Plazas, Bedford Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Extensive camping equipment, personal supplies, high powered rifle and ammunition also found nearby. Most of the camping equipment appears to be newer and shows little or no indication of use; also, though apparently well equipped for camping, investigators found no eating utensils (silverware) or food supplies. One science-related and two poetry books found with the camping equipment suggests the victim may have benefited from higher education, or to have been a serious student of poetry or literature.*Initial investigators felt certain the victim was not native to Bedford County, Pennsylvania.*In 1958, investigators determined the rifle to have been shipped from the manufacturer to a store in Fort Wayne, Indiana. No further tracing of the rifle's ownership could be effected.*Anecdotal information may connect this victim to the state of Kentucky: Prior to the victim's discovery, in September 1957, local police in Bedford Borough encountered a loitering man in possession of a rifle; this unidentified man said he was enroute from Kentucky to Canada.*Anthropologic examinations conducted in 1959 and again in 2003 revealed the victim to have been an adult male of European ancestry, likely between the ages of 30-35 with a living stature of about 6'4" (+/- 2").*The death cannot be classified as natural.*GPS data is approximate.*There is no ME/C case number. The Pennsylvania State Police incident number is 2-C-3-55.*Inquiries, please contact:*Pennsylvania State Police, Attn: Criminal Investigation Unit, 171 Arthur L. Hershey Drive, Bedford, PA 15522, telephone 814-623-6133,***OR ***Pennsylvania State Police, Troop G Headquarters, Attn: Criminal Investigation Assessment Unit, 1510 North Juniata Street, Hollidaysburg, PA 16648, telephone 814-693-6100.[/QUOTE





I have.I turned this lead in many years ago and not long ago also.To people on Mr Bones case.I thought there was a very good possibility this man may have been the boy in the box's father because he had European ancestry like the boy in the box.Both appeared to be in ill health or not as well taken care of for a year or two and no one knew who they both were.I thought they could be homeless and transients for a year or so together.I think it's a very good lead.Hopefully they are looking into it.I have been trying to get them to do a DNA test between them to check if they are related some how.They couldn't check before because they could only get mtDNA from the boy in the box.It would not come up as a match with Mr Bones.Only the mothers side.I am hearing now they can check with the boy in the box for matches using just more than mtDNA.I'm not sure how correct or accurate that information is.I have not heard any more.Hopefully they can and will check for a possible match with these two.What do they have to lose.They just might get a match.


The boy in the box

*Dr. Krogman estimated that the boy had been in chronic ill health - with accompanying malnutrition - for about a year. He described the boy as having "a long narrow head, a high narrow face, and a high narrow nose." That, to him, was enough to speculate on Northwest European ancestry - Scandinavia, West Germany, or England or Scotland.




Mr Bones

Anthropologic examinations conducted in 1959 and again in 2003 revealed the victim to have been an adult male of European ancestry
 
I wrote an email and sent it to the niece of the man who rented our row home back in the 1950's, and gave her the details of why my family thought these same renters (her uncle) may have had a connection to the boy. We had corresponded for about a year before I let her know my folks suspected a deceased boy in a famous case may have belonged to her uncle. She was convinced I was wrong, but she did get back to me and was willing to talk about it. I sent her the details, 3 weeks ago, she has not gotten back to me. I’ll keep you posted.
 
Does anyone know if they are doing the isotope type testing on him hopefully to find out more information on him? Does anyone know what's going on with this little boy in the box's case now.Leads followed ect....Can anyone find out.I would very much like to know.
 
I think both cases have DNA in Namus so wouldn't LE get a hit if this was the boys father? Just a thought...

I cannot believe how much similar those blankets are, what a find! I also don't believe that story and have heard nothing about it. I think if it were true LE would be all over it years ago.

I also do believe Ms Suzanne is gonna give this boy his name back. Keep up the good work!
 
I think both cases have DNA in Namus so wouldn't LE get a hit if this was the boys father? Just a thought...

I cannot believe how much similar those blankets are, what a find! I also don't believe that story and have heard nothing about it. I think if it were true LE would be all over it years ago.

I also do believe Ms Suzanne is gonna give this boy his name back. Keep up the good work!

Thank you.You are very nice.But I hope and pray other people that know alot more than me and are much more qualified than me can help give him his real name.People that know how to check all these records and institutions and everywhere.I promised this little one at his grave site I would do everything I can to help give him his real name and I will.Maybe my helping him is just by keeping him out in the public and trying to push people to keep helping to find out who he is.

The boy in the box use to only have mtDNA on him so it would not come up as a match with Mr Bones.Hopefully they have more than just mtDNA on the boy in the box now and they can check for a possible match now.


I think the most important thing they can do for this little one right now is isotope type testing that might tell where he is from and more about him.Like did he have a mental disorder or any diseases,ailments,what's his real nationality ect... that might help Identify him.
 
I have to admit that I was a little disheartened and gave up quickly after trying to call several people about doing the isotope testing, (several months ago). My pride was wounded when several calls were not returned. The last call I made was to a newspaper reporter. First he asked me in a demeaning manner who I was, I explained that I was an average citizen interested in trying to give this boy his name back and I wondered if this test had been done on him when he had been exhumed, I told him I wondered if the paper that he worked for could run a story on this to bring attention to this little boy. The next words out of this man's mouth was, in a demeaning tone were, "are you an expert in isotope testing"? Of course I said I was not, he then asked me what Isotope testing was, I explained it to him and in a huff he said to me "the whole idea is outlandish, so we are not running a story like that." I quickly said thank you for your time and hung up the phone, quite surprised at how rude this man was to me. So I guess what I need to do is put my pride on the shelf, add more time on my phone card because I don't have long distance, and find the time to keep calling people on my days off from my job.
 
Ah, l always get a bit confused on the different types of DNA and how that works. I know there are a lot of professionals who care deeply for this case and believe it is still very solvable. Even after the time that has passed. If an isotope test was not done, or at least a sample of the blanket was taken at the exumation, maybe they kept the blanket, i dont think they would exhume him again for the test, do you? it would tell us a lot about him i bet. Sorry about the headache with the phone calls that sounds frustrating. Guess we will see how it goes, hopefully the test will get done!
 
I had mentioned to Ms Suzanne that I did not think they would exhume again just for that one test. My hopes is that they did the test then. Trying to find that out that info is the hard part. Initially I had been given three different names as to who was handling the this cold case. When I did get to talk to one person he said that the case was very large, he did not know all the aspects of it, he would review it concerning my question and get back with me, I felt positive that he would, excited. But he never returned my call. Not sure if the name us site could help.
 
I bet there are 5 or more different offices, including the FBI handling this case and even more throughout the years. Things tend to get a little FUBAR'D when that happens...

That's why you got all those different numbers. Someone has, or has a sample of, that original blanket he was found wrapped in. They have to, they would not bury him with it. That should be all they need for an isotope test. If they can do it with Caladonia's coat and clothes they can do it with that blanket. I'm sure of it. I was reading about a case where they exhumed a body and found DNA either under her nails, or on her clothes 30 years after her death. It is amazing how far the testing has come.

Sorry Carl if I am a little of topic.

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