Identified! PA - Philadelphia, 'Boy in the Box', WhtMale 4-6, 4UMPA, Feb'57

[sandman441]

Ok, need some help here. I went to the library here in town becasue you can access Ancestry.com for free if you have a library card. There was an entry from a man on a Luthern Childrens Home sight that was looking for his brothers, names were Hagan. But there was no way for me to reply to him. Why? He stated that they were there in the 50's and this may be an ophanage that this boy came from. I wanted to ask him the ages of his brothers and more history. Can someone explain to me why I could not post a reply to him?

how old was the post. I am not sure but I think they close threads when they become too old. I haven't been on the ancestry board in a very long time.

 

[4SAM]

how old was the post. I am not sure but I think they close threads when they become too old. I haven't been on the ancestry board in a very long time.

I believe it was dated Nov 2011. So a year ago.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I believe it was dated Nov 2011. So a year ago.

Yes.When I saw it said 2011.I could not get to it or contact him because I have to be a paid member and I can not afford to be right now.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Some one just posted this on the thread for the little girl found in 1983 in February. Full Anthropology exam completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian Full Isotope analysis completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian".Can some one please call Philadelphia Homicide police to see if they will do this for this poor little boy in the box too.Please call them for him.There is no reason this can't be done for him.Why aren't they doing this or anything?



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Circumstances : Circumstances changed from "The decapitated body of a young girl was found in the basement of a vacant apartment building at 5635 Clemons, St. Louis, MO. Estimated age is between 8 and 11 years old. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. There were no scars, irregularities, deformities or other specific features that would give clues to her identity. " to "Young female found in basement of a vacant building. Estimated age is between 8 and 11 years old.

Full Anthropology exam completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian Full Isotope analysis completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian"

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Does anyone know or can please find out if they are doing this isotope testing for him to help find out who he is?

 

[alliemay]

Murder of Dennis Jurgens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In the 1960s, the term child abuse had not yet been coined and no one, not even medical professionals and teachers, were required to report suspicions."

This knowledge makes it harder to find out reports of abuse in older cases.

 

[forthelost]

One of the original profilers named the young man who called in the body and was known to peep at the school as the killer, in fact. Frederick Benonis.

I like that theory alot fwiw. The book also provides details from the autopsy that I was unfamiliar with.

The thing that doesn't make sense from this theory is that he's still not identified. What are the odds that he just happened to murder a child that no one ever recognized or noticed was missing?

 

[SeekingJana]

Forgive me for a long absence from this fascinating case.
Did the Vidocq Society give any analysis or recommendations?

Also, with the child's hair having been cut in a way that is described as " unusual" is it possible that the hair color was also changed by dye?
I think this is possible.

Last question- Home for " wayward girls". Was this a maternity home? Wondering if the bassinet box could have come from there, if that's what " wayward girls" used to be called instead of " pregnant".

Thanks.

 

[alliemay]

Yes I believe the home for "wayward" girls was for pregnant teenagers.

I've been thinking quite a bit about him lately. I would think who ever did this had to live within a ten mile radius. You have the home for wayward girls in the area and also the foster home. Now I know the detectives finally were able to do a DNA test on the daughter of the woman who owed the foster home and she was ruled out. What if, just what if, the real parents of this boy dropped this boy off two weeks prior to his death at the foster home. Did the agencies that govern this foster home have knowledge of all the children who lived there? Remington, I think that's his name, found a bassinet in the basement, at that time, were there babies living in the foster home? Did he ask them about the bassinet? He also saw a blanket similar to the boy in the box. Maybe he really was on to something. If his parents had brought him to this foster home from another state, that would explain why there are no hospital records for him in Pennsylvania. What if the daughter, who was slow, accidentally killed him or maybe even one of the older children. I really would like to know how the agencies kept track of this foster home from the first day it opened to till the last day it closed.

 

[alliemay]

http://americasunknownchild.net/map.htm

Original maps I had not seen before.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

If anyone finds out more on this lead please let me know ok?This is all I could find.I'd like to see the picture of that little boy.

I have a new lead if people can call in too that I need help with.I don't know if anyone is looking into any of my leads at all.In David Stouts book on page 1,2,3,4 and page 76.It says on February 26 2007 a woman meets
LE at the unknown boys grave site.She says she has pictures of a boy.He looks very much like the boy in the box.She lives with 2 aunts.Both are very old and frail.One of her aunts had a husband.Mean hot tempered man.He threw the boy out a window and he got a cut on his chin.The detective Kelly looks in 2007 and finds an early lead where they apparently find the boy beat up but ok.Did they actually see this boy and can they check this lead again.The only early lead I can find is in my notes and I don't remember where I found it.But a woman said her husband took off with a boy and it was I think in Cleveland Ohio.They were going to do DNA on this boy to check him and didn't.Can they do this now.Please check with leads that were called in with other boys with DNA also.I feel this little boy in the box might possibly be a lead and boy that has already been ruled out.Possibly an early lead.Please help call this lead in to check that boy with DNA this time.

I'm starting to get very interested in this Lady at the grave site and the boy in the picture she showed.Apparently the boy in the pictures head was shaped like the boy in the box.I'm very interested in this especially if the shape of his head was not blunt force trauma.Can someone please call LE police and find out if they checked DNA for a match.I'm am pretty very sure they did not.Can and will they do that now?I'm not sure where the boy came from.

 

[alliemay]

Do you have a link to that picture?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

No.They never showed the boys picture.I would very much like to see it and have them check that boys DNA or family members DNA with the boy in the box.Can someone please call and see if they will do it?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I think this is her.I'm very pretty sure they did not check her DNA. Maybe they can now.

More at the link.

http://articles.philly.com/2007-02-27/news/25237973_1_investigator-police-officer-vidocq-society


'Amazing Grace' that came too late The 'Boy in the Box' mystery, 50 years on.

By Joseph A. Gambardello INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
POSTED: February 27, 2007
Deanna Gannon came to a snow-covered Ivy Hill Cemetery in the gray morning chill yesterday with a single white rose for a boy more loved in death than he was in life.

He has no name, but Gannon - like many of her generation who grew up in Philadelphia in the 1950s - remembers his face.

And so she joined with a dwindling band of retired investigators in marking the 50th anniversary of what has become known as the Boy in the Box case.




Another article

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070227/NEWS06/702270368/-1/RSS

 

[alliemay]

No picture but here is an obit from a woman in Philly, it could be the same one?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

No picture but here is an obit from a woman in Philly, it could be the same one?

Yes I think she died last year.Very sad.

I wonder who the boy in the picture was.

 

[alliemay]

Probably one of the children listed in her obit, or possibly a grandchild? Hard to say.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

If it's the same lady in David Stouts book I mentioned before and I feel it is.Then one of her aunts she was living with married a mean man.I guess it was one of her aunts kids?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Please let me know if anyone finds out who that boy in the picture was.

 

[alliemay]

If someone could post a link to that picture maybe that would help.