StarrChance
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Agree that the New York person is our most likely Dorothy.
Agree that the Chicago lady is someone else, as is the 1993 lady in Pennsylvania.
Wonder where Mary, Margarine, and Frank are/were? Note that the older kids were born in Pennsylvania, and their mother was born in Pennsylvania.
Since Dorothy was born in New York, we can expect that Mom moved to New York, but we don't know about Dad. IIRC, New York is tight with their birth records.
The 1950 census is released, I've not taken the time to work the volunteer project, wonder about those sibs. The census column for Speaks English is blank for all of them.
Poking around, of course there are reasonable-age Frank Spirrizzi candidates in New York, Pennsylvania, and Chicago.
Looks like their Dad was also Frank, Mom/stepmom was Anna -- but they were married in 1929, and each claimed first marriage -- unless Frank, Sr.'s English was too limited to answer the question? The teenaged girls, Mary & Margarine, are in the household in the 1940 Census, no sign of young Frank or Dorothy. And, Anna could have given birth at 15 to Mary, and at 17 to Margarine, the couple escaped to New York to be married???
Well, I'm off to a June wedding today & don't have time for this intriguing diversion right now!
Best, Laughing
I continue to "feel" this is
Name: Daurtha M Spizzirri
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1929
Birth Place: Windsor, New York, USA
NY state birth index
aka
Dorothy Spizzirri (age 1)
St Mary's Orphans Home (per 1930 census report)
Binghamton, Broome Co NY
and
Dorothy Spizzirri (age 11)
Rome State School - Mental Defectives (per 1940 census report)
Rome City, Oneida, NY
Has anyone found additional information after 1940 for her?
She isn't listed here:
Name: | Frank Spizzirri |
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Gender: | Male |
Age: | 35 |
Birth Date: | abt 1894 |
Marriage Date: | 30 Sep 1929 |
Marriage Place: | Broome, New York, USA |
Father: | Peter Spizzirri |
Mother: | Ruffale Greko |
Spouse: | Anna Fitch |
Film Number: | 000808878 |
Name: | Marjorie Ann Merrill[Marge A Hornik][Margarine Spizziri][Margarine McCracken][Marge Hornik] |
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Gender: | Female |
Race: | White |
Birth Date: | 1 Feb 1927 |
Birth Place: | Broome, New York[Susquehanna, Pennsylvania] |
Death Date: | 7 Mar 1997 |
Father: | Frank Spizziri |
Mother: | Elizabeth Stevenson |
SSN: | 059227188 |
Notes: | Jul 1948: Name listed as MARJORIE ANN MERRILL; 12 Nov 1975: Name listed as MARGE A HORNIK; Sep: Name listed as MARGARINE ANN SPIZZIRI; : Name listed as MARGARINE ANN MCCRACKEN; 14 Mar 1997: Name listed as MARGE HORNIK |
Name: | Elizabeth Stevenson Spizziri |
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Gender: | Female |
Spouse: | Frank Spizziri |
Child: | Mary A Spizziri |
Film Number: | 002021892 |
Name: | Dorothy Spizzini | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Age: | 21 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Birth Date: | abt 1929 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gender: | Female | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Birth Place: | New York | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Marital Status: | Never Married (Single) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Residence Date: | 1950 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Home in 1950: | Marcy, Oneida, New York, USA | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dwelling Number: | ne | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Occupation Category: | Other | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Worked Last Week: | No | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I believe a Elizabeth Stephenson/Stevenson was the mother of all the children including a child Orlando that died from a fire accident.
Anna and Frank marriage
Name: Frank Spizzirri Gender: Male Age: 35 Birth Date: abt 1894 Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1929 Marriage Place: Broome, New York, USA Father: Peter Spizzirri Mother: Ruffale Greko Spouse: Anna Fitch Film Number: 000808878
1950 census, correct age with the surname slightly off.
Name: Dorothy Spizzini Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1929 Gender: Female Birth Place: New York Marital Status: Never Married (Single) Residence Date: 1950 Home in 1950: Marcy, Oneida, New York, USA Dwelling Number: ne Occupation Category: Other Worked Last Week: No
Household Members Age Relationship Helen Sokoluk 66 Patient Eliza V Somerville 63 Patient Jos Spinelli 38 Patient Dorothy Spizzini 21 Pauline Sporey 73 Patient Margaret Spurr 89 Florence Stevens 39 Patient Irma Stevenson 3 Patient Mary J Stevens 79 Patient Nettie Stevens 71 Patient Ruth Stranahan 34 Mary G Sulette 29 Patient Mildred Sullivan 69 Patient
Great find!1950 census, correct age with the surname slightly off.
Name: Dorothy Spizzini Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1929 Gender: Female Birth Place: New York Marital Status: Never Married (Single) Residence Date: 1950 Home in 1950: Marcy, Oneida, New York, USA Dwelling Number: ne Occupation Category: Other Worked Last Week: No
Household Members Age Relationship Helen Sokoluk 66 Patient Eliza V Somerville 63 Patient Jos Spinelli 38 Patient Dorothy Spizzini 21 Pauline Sporey 73 Patient Margaret Spurr 89 Florence Stevens 39 Patient Irma Stevenson 3 Patient Mary J Stevens 79 Patient Nettie Stevens 71 Patient Ruth Stranahan 34 Mary G Sulette 29 Patient Mildred Sullivan 69 Patient
Name: Marjorie Ann Merrill[Marge A Hornik][Margarine Spizziri][Margarine McCracken][Marge Hornik] Gender: Female Race: White Birth Date: 1 Feb 1927 Birth Place: Broome, New York[Susquehanna, Pennsylvania] Death Date: 7 Mar 1997 Father: Frank Spizziri Mother: Elizabeth Stevenson SSN: 059227188 Notes: Jul 1948: Name listed as MARJORIE ANN MERRILL; 12 Nov 1975: Name listed as MARGE A HORNIK; Sep: Name listed as MARGARINE ANN SPIZZIRI; : Name listed as MARGARINE ANN MCCRACKEN; 14 Mar 1997: Name listed as MARGE HORNIK
Name: Elizabeth Stevenson Spizziri Gender: Female Spouse: Frank Spizziri Child: Mary A Spizziri Film Number: 002021892
I agree. Elizabeth was the mother of all the children.
Anna O (Fitch) Spizziri born 3/23/1910, died at the age of 87 on 8/24/1997, Binghamton NY. Mary Spizziri Abrams and Margarine Spizziri Hornik were listed in obit (newspapers.com) as step-daughters. It was also mentioned that Anna had polio as a child, which has me supposing she may not have been able to have children, herself.
Frank A Spizziri born 5/29/1894 Cerisano Italy (per US Draft registration 1942). Died in Sept of 1968. He and Anna lived at 30 Parsons St, Binghamton, NY.
**The only likely (fitting with age and location) information I was able to find regarding Elizabeth was a 1930 Census report listing Elizabeth Spizziri, age 25 (born in PA), along with her son John Spizziri (less than 1 yr of age & father was listed as having been born in Italy) as a live-in housekeeper for Charles E Myres (age 46) in Windsor, Broome Co, NY. If THIS is the same Elizabeth she would have given birth to Orlando in 1921, Mary in 1924, Margarine in 1926/27, Frank (Jr) in 1928, Daurtha/Dorothy 1929, and then John in 1930... which seems like a lot of children in a short period of time (not impossible, of course).
And this would mean, she left or was forced to leave? 4 children in an orphanage per 1930 and has another baby in 1930. Stuff to think about.
I also noticed that in this 1930 census Elisabeth is stated to have been born in Pennsylvania. In the marriage record of daughter Mary, the mother Elisabeth is stated to have been born in New York.
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1950 census, correct age with the surname slightly off.
Name: Dorothy Spizzini Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1929 Gender: Female Birth Place: New York Marital Status: Never Married (Single) Residence Date: 1950 Home in 1950: Marcy, Oneida, New York, USA Dwelling Number: ne Occupation Category: Other Worked Last Week: No
Household Members Age Relationship Helen Sokoluk 66 Patient Eliza V Somerville 63 Patient Jos Spinelli 38 Patient Dorothy Spizzini 21 Pauline Sporey 73 Patient Margaret Spurr 89 Florence Stevens 39 Patient Irma Stevenson 3 Patient Mary J Stevens 79 Patient Nettie Stevens 71 Patient Ruth Stranahan 34 Mary G Sulette 29 Patient Mildred Sullivan 69 Patient
I'm not sure Polio could have affected reproduction. My father had Polio in his youth, making one of his legs a lot shorter, but he was very capable of making children....I'm proof of that
Stephen F Hornik
New Jersey marriage licence-index, 1915-2016
- Marriage jul 1968 - 1354, New Jersey, United States
- Bruid Marge Spizzari
Margarite Ann “Marge” Spizziri Hornik (1927-1997)...
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