PA - Shane Montgomery, 21, Philadelphia, 27 Nov 2014 #5

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Jonesy, Dearie, I hear ya.
Walking in my Phillies hoodie with the shamrock for Shane today. I picked a lemon and put it in my hoodie pocket. Went all the way up a big hill with one hand on the leash and the other holding the poo bag. As I got home I thought how did that lemon never fall out of that pocket but Shane's keys might have. How?
I still think those keys were thrown.
I'm probably never going to stop questioning.
And that's okay.
 
Jonesy, Dearie, I hear ya.
Walking in my Phillies hoodie with the shamrock for Shane today. I picked a lemon and put it in my hoodie pocket. Went all the way up a big hill with one hand on the leash and the other holding the poo bag. As I got home I thought how did that lemon never fall out of that pocket but Shane's keys might have. How?
I still think those keys were thrown.
I'm probably never going to stop questioning.
And that's okay.
Interesting thought it's funny I thought just with the current they could have slipped out of his hoodie or back pocket. However it is possible they were thrown in and I find it interesting his phone was in his pocket I guess it's a heavier object but it puzzles me.
 
I think I missed it, where was his phone found? pants pocket? hoodie pocket?
 
Interesting thought it's funny I thought just with the current they could have slipped out of his hoodie or back pocket. However it is possible they were thrown in and I find it interesting his phone was in his pocket I guess it's a heavier object but it puzzles me.

The keys were on a lanyard, right? I've been thinking that if the lanyard was hanging out of his pocket (but the keys were in) that the rope could have gotten caught on debris and were "pulled" out.
 
Maybe it's my own grief but just can't get out of my mind what actually happened. Did anyone see anything? What about those cars in the lot? Were they checked out? Something is nagging at me now and again maybe just my own grief of how did this happen?

Jonesy, You are not alone with those thoughts. Many questions keep running through my head too. I keep asking all of those people at the bar/leaving the bar/heading to the parking lot...how could no one have seen him?
 

But Shane Wasn't a relative of their employee. Shane's Mother Karen has a Sister-in-law named Kathy, Her Nephew is the person that works at Likdares'. I urge you all not to believe a word from Kildares
 
I agree it would have been nice for Kildare's to acknowledge that Shane had been found and to extend their condolences.
I have been out many times in my early 20s when a friend has gotten flagged or ejected from a bar. Never once was that person left alone to fend for themselves. The bouncer or bartender always informed someone in our party to take care of them. The bars have always been packed (shore bars and Center City) so that is not a good excuse, IMO. Imagine how differently things would have been if one of the employees that escorted him out let him find a friend or did it for him. Kildares disgusts me and I will never patronize any of their establishments again. They can certainly afford to put bees measures in place and should have adequate staff on holidays. I wonder if their business has been affected at all?
I am surprised that they haven't gotten slammed before for this. I believe Ryan Dunn was at the location in West Chester before his car crash. They produced a bar tab then too that wasn't significant.

It was Barnaby's of West Chester
http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/08/ryan-dunn-crash-family-zachery-hartwell-lawsuit/
 
Heart:
I was thinking the exact thoughts.
Shanes Law
With all this attention in the media, high profile case.
It might just get passed.
 
Agreed. And I've been in several bars where I've seen this happen. The person in question was served water, despite their protesting and carrying on about it. But I've also seen other patrons look out for others who appeared to be extremely intoxicated. They sat them down, talked them out of leaving, offered them water and food. Another time I actually witnessed another patron take some drunk guy from the neighborhood home in a cab (he called the cab then went with the cabbie to drop this guy off) then came back (and paid for it). Many times people drink and get drunk in their neighborhood bars. Where are their fellow neighbors and friends who usually watch out for one another? Does this not happen anymore? Not saying anyone should be or has to be responsible for another person but, at what point does your basic human instincts and emotions kick in to help someone? Where is your empathy? Your kindness? Your willingness to help? I mean, I'm sure these bars aren't dealing with THAT many FALL DOWN drunks every night. My guess is it happens only so often (in all my life I've seen it happen a handful of times....and at one point in my life I was a once a week frequenter of the local pub). A few here and there. So is it really too much to ask to stop that person and let them sit inside until the drunkenness wears off some before sending them off? Is it too much to ask to stop said drunk person and ask them if they came with anyone or if there is anyone they could call for them? I guess it is too much to ask when you have a bar that is 3 stories high and way over capacity and only 2 bouncers on hand to deal with them. THAT is a problem! There is no way that many people should be stuffed into a place like that with virtually no one to handle them should issues arise. That's like 2 teachers taking 10 classrooms full of kids on a field trip themselves. Ridiculous!

I don't know. I just feel that sometimes people are just so wrapped up in themselves that they just can't be bothered to stop and help others and that is just sad. That or they simply don't care and don't want to help. I don't know, if my kid was fall down drunk and looked like he needed help I would hope that someone would take 2 minutes out of their day to ask him if he was ok. I know I would as I've done so in the past. Yes, people do need to be responsible for their own actions but you know, stuff happens. It wouldn't kill someone to take a few minutes to stop and ask if they're ok. For all we know that person could have been drugged (or attacked) and wasn't just acting irresponsible by drinking too much. You never know until you ask. I don't know. I guess no one wants to be bothered anymore. It's a shame.



Yes......also, deep fried greasy foods are best at sobering up a person <-----that I learned at bar tending school.

as to the second paragraph......there was an infomercial several years back with the girl pasted out at the bus stop.......2,876 friends----->none made sure she got home.
 
http://6abc.com/news/family-shane-montgomerys-cause-of-death-ruled-accidental/460549/

Maybe some of the Catholics can explain.
A viewing?....a viewing as in viewing the body before burial.
Forgive my thinking, but 5 weeks in a murky river- I would think that wouldn't be pretty.
Did the frigid temperature of the waters preserve & slow the natural order of the decomposing process?

Catholics do viewings even when it's closed casket. I just went to a viewing in the summer and the person was cremated. It's more to pay respects to the family.
 
But Shane Wasn't a relative of their employee. Shane's Mother Karen has a Sister-in-law named Kathy, Her Nephew is the person that works at Likdares'. I urge you all not to believe a word from Kildares

Yes, Kevin-that's the point! Early on they made a big deal about Shane being related to someone at the bar-and now they have nothing to say about him being found in the water?
 
But Shane Wasn't a relative of their employee. Shane's Mother Karen has a Sister-in-law named Kathy, Her Nephew is the person that works at Likdares'. I urge you all not to believe a word from Kildares

"relative"
noun


  • 1.
    a person connected by blood or marriage.
    "much of my time is spent visiting relatives"
    synonyms:
    member of someone's/the family, kinsman, kinswoman;
 
Thanks Jonesy... So, "viewing" is another word for wake or vigil. It's a "pre" visit to greet the family with warm sentiments, condolences etc... I was wondering what a viewing actually represented. I need a refresher on the English language.
The last viewing/funeral I attended was when I was 14, it scarred me. I've experienced many deaths along the way, but sent my sympathies by other means.
 
Strangely enough even though it was originally at the bottom of my list,I am starting to feel this may have been a suicide, with alcohol and any other substances contributing in addition to any problems Shane may have been going through,,,,, family, friends, girl problems, boy problems, whatever it may be. I always thought foul play would be more along the lines of Shane leaving the lot by car, while pushing him or dragging him into the river seemed less likely. And I've already said before how accident seems strange to me in this situation especially since as far as we know he had no business in the lot or near the water. However I am not at all ruling out accident or foul play.....just that I've been more feeling it could be suicide.......that could be because it kinda seems like an easier explanation than foul play or accident....I dont like going with an explanation just because it's "easier" but that's just what I am feeling at the moment and it could change. And I know people can accidentally drown in shallow water but the ft of water is another thing that doesnt sit well with me in the accident theory, JMO. The keys being at 30 ft from the wall still stands out to me.....could he have drowned closer to the wall than that, then his body floated out to the 30 ft mark, and then floated down stream to where he was found....? Or maybe he threw the keys in before a suicide jump....a symbolic "Im not going home tonight" or just wanted to throw something else in first to test if this was what he really wanted

Dont know what exactly to think.....I am just as confused as before his body was found. I think I will always have a lot of doubt on 'accident' though, it just doesnt sit well with me
 
Maybe it's my own grief but just can't get out of my mind what actually happened. Did anyone see anything? What about those cars in the lot? Were they checked out? Something is nagging at me now and again maybe just my own grief of how did this happen?

Jonesy, You are not alone with those thoughts. Many questions keep running through my head too. I keep asking all of those people at the bar/leaving the bar/heading to the parking lot...how could no one have seen him?

These thoughts still run through my head too, how did no one see him??? Is there anyone unknown or shady that he was interacting with in Kildare's??? WHat was he doing/who was he with around the time he bumped into something at Kildare's? I will always ask these questions and more. And always wonder if his death involved someone else
 

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