Parents of third graders outraged at diversity tape

[IrishMist]

Nope, same thing. I think the kids can watch videos about all beliefs. If people believe it's a sin, and the school wants to show a video about this so that kids know that that's out there, why not?

Because I don't need my kids watching videos saying that dancing is a sin, a lustful thought is a sin, homosexuality is a sin, etc etc etc.

Once you open the "sin" door, it's a difficult door to close. Public schools are public schools. Religion should be left at the door. IMO. That's what churches are for.

I also would not support forced showings "inter-racial marriage, single-parents and homosexuality is ok" videos in church.

 

[Dark Knight]

Because I don't need my kids watching videos saying that dancing is a sin, a lustful thought is a sin, homosexuality is a sin, etc etc etc.

Once you open the "sin" door, it's a difficult door to close. Public schools are public schools. Religion should be left at the door. IMO. That's what churches are for.

I also would not support forced showings "inter-racial marriage, single-parents and homosexuality is ok" videos in church.

You can't have it both ways. Some parents don't want their kids seeing this video, either. Are you kids special in that they get protected from things you disapprove of but the other parent's kids have to watch it? It is a public school, so All aspects of public viewpoints should be shown, if any are. You have to let your kids be exposed to stuff you disagree with if you want other kids to be exposed to stuff their parents don't like. Or is it more of "I only support it in public if it fits my world view?"

 

[IrishMist]

You can't have it both ways. Some parents don't want their kids seeing this video, either. Are you kids special in that they get protected from things you disapprove of but the other parent's kids have to watch it? It is a public school, so All aspects of public viewpoints should be shown, if any are. You have to let your kids be exposed to stuff you disagree with if you want other kids to be exposed to stuff their parents don't like. Or is it more of "I only support it in public if it fits my world view?"

If you've read any of my posts, you would see that I think the schools have more things to worry about than taking the time to teach diversity. But that aside, it is a public school, and they are being shown a video about the real world. If someone has a religious objection, they need to put their kids in a religious school.

Public schools should teach a secular curriculum. There are churches to teach religious opinion.

 

[Dark Knight]

If you've read any of my posts, you would see that I think the schools have more things to worry about than taking the time to teach diversity. But that aside, it is a public school, and they are being shown a video about the real world. If someone has a religious objection, they need to put their kids in a religious school.

Public schools should teach a secular curriculum. There are churches to teach religious opinion.

It's religious opinion that same sex marriage doesn't fall into the category of "accepting diversity." But those opinions don't count, I guess.

 

[IrishMist]

It's religious opinion that same sex marriage doesn't fall into the category of "accepting diversity." But those opinions don't count, I guess.

Like I said, I would not support forcing a church to show both sides of the story, either.

 

[Boyzmomee]

I would have no problem with my children viewing it, but I would like to know about it in advance - just like if they were learning sex ed. You want to be prepared to answer your child's questions or concerns when they come to you. I think so many people are "moral" that they cannot accept there are other lifestyles than their own. It is called being narrow-minded and it teaches children to hate.


I do think the parents have the right to know what their child is watching at school before the child is actually watching it.

I agree. I would like to know ahead of time. I would have no problem with my 3rd grader viewing it. However, I think the parents should have been informed prior to the viewing and had the option to opt out.

 

[Boyzmomee]

Aren't the parents who are offended here the same ones who want their rights upheld to push their own agenda and religion in our schools?! QUOTE]


Yeah, that's who exactly it is.

 

[Boyzmomee]

absolutely.

When mine ask, I tell them....3rd grade or not. :blowkiss:

 

[JBean]

When mine ask, I tell them....3rd grade or not. :blowkiss:

You and me both! But then our kids have to teach everyone else's kids LOL!

 

[JanetElaine]

Public schools should teach a secular curriculum. There are churches to teach religious opinion.

But, they weren't taught a religious opinion. They are merely shown that, in the real world, there are people who see ....(insert your choice)..... as a sin. That isn't teaching kids religion, that is teaching kids about actual people that live in the actual world. Same thing as teaching kids about actual same-sex couples that live in the actual world. What you're saying now, is equal to telling people who want to know about same-sex couples to go to a gay bar.

 

[JanetElaine]

Because I don't need my kids watching videos saying that dancing is a sin, a lustful thought is a sin, homosexuality is a sin, etc etc etc.

Once you open the "sin" door, it's a difficult door to close. Public schools are public schools. Religion should be left at the door. IMO. That's what churches are for.

I also would not support forced showings "inter-racial marriage, single-parents and homosexuality is ok" videos in church.

But nobody is saying the video will teach the children that the opinion of people who say such and such is a sin, is the right opinion. It's just showing them there are people like that (religious) in the real world. Just like this video is showing children there are people like that (gay) in the real world. Same difference, IMO.

Just because it is a public school does not mean that in lessons about the real world, religion should be ignored. Now to teach a religion itself, is different. Public schools should not say that children should be christian, or muslem, or buddhist, or teach about a religion with the intent of having children believe that this is what is right, and all other is wrong. Like they weren't promoting same-sex marriages in this video.

 

[IrishMist]

But, they weren't taught a religious opinion. They are merely shown that, in the real world, there are people who see ....(insert your choice)..... as a sin. That isn't teaching kids religion, that is teaching kids about actual people that live in the actual world. Same thing as teaching kids about actual same-sex couples that live in the actual world. What you're saying now, is equal to telling people who want to know about same-sex couples to go to a gay bar.

Sooo... before every dance they'd have to announce that some people think dancing is a sin?

Or, in Junior high school, they'd have to make an announcement (every 30 seconds or so) that having a lustful thought is a sin?

Nope. Sin is a religious concept, and as such, needs to be taught at home and church. Little Johnny can come home and say "Momma! I saw a video with a (insert your choice here) in it!" Then let Mom sit him down and explain their family's opinion of it.

It's like someone said earlier. If you believe the world is flat, are you going to demand they take globes out of the classroom? (or something- I'm going by memory here)

I belive public schools should remain secular. If you want to teach kids about sin, do it at home or at church. IMO.

 

[Dark Knight]

Sooo... before every dance they'd have to announce that some people think dancing is a sin?

Or, in Junior high school, they'd have to make an announcement (every 30 seconds or so) that having a lustful thought is a sin?

Nope. Sin is a religious concept, and as such, needs to be taught at home and church. Little Johnny can come home and say "Momma! I saw a video with a (insert your choice here) in it!" Then let Mom sit him down and explain their family's opinion of it.

It's like someone said earlier. If you believe the world is flat, are you going to demand they take globes out of the classroom? (or something- I'm going by memory here)

I belive public schools should remain secular. If you want to teach kids about sin, do it at home or at church. IMO.

Then schools can't teach that sins are OK in the name of "diversity" or "inclusiveness." The parents certainly should have known in advance with an option to opt out.

ETA: Deep down you still seem to want it both ways. You don't want your kids subjected to certain subjects, but you want other's kids to be subjected to things they disagree with.

 

[IrishMist]

Then schools can't teach that sins are OK in the name of "diversity" or "inclusiveness." The parents certainly should have known in advance with an option to opt out.

No doubt.

 

[JanetElaine]

Sooo... before every dance they'd have to announce that some people think dancing is a sin?

Or, in Junior high school, they'd have to make an announcement (every 30 seconds or so) that having a lustful thought is a sin?

Now don't be silly, IrishMist. That is entirely different than showing a video about diversity and having it mention that there are religious people who think dancing (etc.) is a sin. Nobody in the case of same sex couples was talking about sitting children down when they get a boyfriend/girlfriend and ask them if they'd rather not have a same-sex partner.

It's like someone said earlier. If you believe the world is flat, are you going to demand they take globes out of the classroom? (or something- I'm going by memory here)

I doubt one would, however, we were taught in school that people used to believe the world was flat. And I'm sure if they had known about someone who still thought this, they'd have made mention of it. In which case we would have know there are 'people like that' in the real world.

I belive public schools should remain secular. If you want to teach kids about sin, do it at home or at church. IMO.

But teaching children about what certain people see as sin, or telling them dancing (etc.) is sin, are two different things.

 

[Jessiebell]

absolutely.

I know mine will be well prepped by 3rd grade!

I've not only been very open about where babies come from (Keep in mind "sensuality" is left out of my physical/biological discussions - with the exception that it begins with "love" - anything beyond would be a much later discussion).

As for diversity - we don't even use terms like "white, black" etc... at this age because we want them to learn "People" first. They do understand skin color and describe it as you would hair color. My 6 yo understands there is discrimination and has been taught about racial histories in school. She can't understand how people can think that way - she thinks it's ridiculous.

I explained from the start that people fall in love with people - sometimes men and women - sometimes men and men and women and women.

I applaud the schools for working to lessen discrimination.

 

[JanetElaine]

No doubt.

At least that is something we all agree on.

At our schools, we have the right to review the curriculum being taught in advance. This requires some pro-activeness, though. Not sure if too many parents actually are proactive and inquire ahead of time.... wonder if that's what's going on here.... they didn't take the time to review the curriculum ahead of time (one could use the parent-teacher conferences for this, each semester) and are now complaining afterward.

 

[IrishMist]

But nobody is saying the video will teach the children that the opinion of people who say such and such is a sin, is the right opinion. It's just showing them there are people like that (religious) in the real world. Just like this video is showing children there are people like that (gay) in the real world. Same difference, IMO.

Just because it is a public school does not mean that in lessons about the real world, religion should be ignored. Now to teach a religion itself, is different. Public schools should not say that children should be christian, or muslem, or buddhist, or teach about a religion with the intent of having children believe that this is what is right, and all other is wrong. Like they weren't promoting same-sex marriages in this video.

But that is not what DK was saying... he was asking about a video that showed that it's NOT ok, and that it's a sin, and to have lessons about that.

What you are saying equates with showing the moon landing, then showing a video from the folks who think it was all faked in order to show both sides of the issue!

 

[IrishMist]

Then schools can't teach that sins are OK in the name of "diversity" or "inclusiveness." The parents certainly should have known in advance with an option to opt out.

ETA: Deep down you still seem to want it both ways. You don't want your kids subjected to certain subjects, but you want other's kids to be subjected to things they disagree with.

I have said that I don't think the schools should bother with these videos.

I have agreed that parents have the right to opt-out their kids.

Where are you getting your take on what I want deep down or otherwise?

I think it's you that wants to subject my kids to your views under the pretense of fairness.

 

[JanetElaine]

But that is not what DK was saying... he was asking about a video that showed that it's NOT ok, and that it's a sin, and to have lessons about that.

This is what DK said: As a result, I want the schools to show videotapes about homosexuality being considered a sin by some people and that it is possible to not think same-sex couples are "OK."

The parts in bold there lead me to believe Dark Knight was not talking about a video that showed it is not okay, but meant a video that showed there are people who think it is not okay.

Maybe DK can clear this up?